All Blacks vs Wallabies I

Duluth

2020’s record is 9 wins, 1 loss and 1 draw

Argentina has a much better recent record vs the ABs

DaGrubster

@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

Is Harry Plummer really seen as a long term test player?

We get seduced into picking players like Mo'unga. With talent in the backline, a steady 10 can work.

I'm not nearly as down on DMac as others; I think he's gone really well over the last few seasons, and really picked his chance to attack. However, who's his backup? BB is going downhill and still thinks he can tuck the ball, run and break free. I'd have no issues with trying a 10 who can drive a team around the paddock, but without obvious flair/X factor.

At the weekend our forwards did enough - it was the backs who let us down. Sometimes you need an unflashy type to set others away.

Grant Fox being the ultimate example of that working.

I think the expectation is that Mounga is coming back in the next 12-18 months

DaGrubster

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

Time to test out fullbacks Love Perofeta
Wings RI Jordan Clarke
Centre Proctor

Reiko would be a fantastic bench option covering wing and 13. He looked at his best on the wing on Saturday.

I would like to see Proctor given a run at 13 and Love getting game time.

BerniesCorner

1 . Williams
2. Taylor
3. Lomax
4. Barrett
5. Vaai
6. Blackadder
7. Savea
8. Sititi
9. Ratima
10. DMac
11. Clarke
12. JB
13. Proctor
14. Jordan
15. Love

reprobate

Can't see them picking Love after giving Jordan just one start at the back. Clarke has to be a certainty on the left if fit now. Right is wide open if Jordan stays at fullback. My preference would be to see what Narawa can add, but that isn't going to happen right now.
I'd really like to see that loose forward trio against the Aussies. I think it's well past time to see what we can do with a different style 7 than Cane/Dalton/Jacobson, and equally important with someone other than Ardie at 8.
Hope de Groot is back, him + Williams would be a good pair. At some point it would be good to see what Tosi has got too.
I'd start Aumua for at least one of the tests. Taylor is in great form, but Aumua needs minutes in the test jersey. His super throwing is much better than his test throwing, and that looks to me like nerves - needs time in the saddle.
Midfield to me is the tricky bit. It takes time to build 10-12-13 combinations, and we are certainly not there yet with DM-JB-RI. McKenzie ought to have a combination already with ALB, who ought to have some combination with RI - so that's an option, as would be DM-JB-BP. But then DM-ALB-BP worked well against Fiji - so fuck knows really.

stodders

@BerniesCorner when is de Groot due back? Having Williams or EDG coming off the bench will be a step in the right direction.

Newell needs to up his game. I think he is at risk. Tosi has to be in the mix to bring power off the bench. Unlikely to see Tosí before the EOYT I suppose.

Imagine a trio of Williams, Taukei'aho and Tosí coming on together in the 55th minute.

Bovidae

With JB and Savea as VCs they aren't going to be dropped.

@stodders A Stuff article said both de Groot and Tuipulotu are expected to play NPC this weekend.

booboo

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

1 . Williams
2. Taylor
3. Lomax
4. Barrett
5. Vaai
6. Blackadder
7. Savea
8. Sititi
9. Ratima
10. DMac
11. Clarke
12. JB
13. Proctor
14. Jordan
15. Love

I don't think you can pick a XV in isolation.

You need to cover the bench.

Kiwiwomble

@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

Time to test out fullbacks Love Perofeta
Wings RI Jordan Clarke
Centre Proctor

Reiko would be a fantastic bench option covering wing and 13. He looked at his best on the wing on Saturday.

I would like to see Proctor given a run at 13 and Love getting game time.

the idea that some player might actually be ore valuable off the bench is completely foreign to AB coaches...specialists start and utilities players on the bench.....its not rocket surgery

nostrildamus

The bench strategy is very sad because in the first(?) test of this year I actually thought it was timed and selected very well but it all just went downhill..

Kiwiwomble

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

The bench strategy is very sad because in the first(?) test of this year I actually thought it was timed and selected very well but it all just went downhill..

yeah, i remember being encouraged with what i saw after the first test.....

Yeahtheboys

Fozzie won by 31 last year….

KiwiMurph

@Yeahtheboys said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

Fozzie won by 31 last year….

Is there an end date in sight for the Fozzie comparison comments?

nostrildamus

@Yeahtheboys said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

Fozzie won by 31 last year….

You mean Fozzie Ryan Schmidt and co...

Yeahtheboys

@KiwiMurph as soon as each and every Scott Robertson dickrider has come to terms with reality

Yeahtheboys

@nostrildamus So when he loses it’s Ian Fosters team, when he wins it’s Schmidt Ryan Foster and when Razor losses it’s Foster.

It all makes sense now. Bit of twister to get there.

nostrildamus

@Yeahtheboys said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

Fozzie won by 31 last year….

Fozzie (et al) lost twice to SA last year. By 28 points in their first game in 2023 (Twickenham). ABs won by a mere 3 points in their first test against Aus last year. They drew with England in 2022 (Razor et al has beaten England twice in a row)...
They lost by 16 points to SA in 2022 and by 7 points to Argentina in the same year and squeezed past Australia with 2 points clear and lost by 10 points and 11 points to Ireland.
Some wins in there (including smashing Argentina) but going back doesn't make it look like the golden years. Drew against Australia in 2020 (that is when he took over I think?) Admittedly we looked good in 2021, against Fiji and Tonga. But take them and Italy and mighty Namibia out of the review and we looked pretty middling over most of 2020-2023.

Nepia

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

@Yeahtheboys said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

Fozzie won by 31 last year….

You mean Fozzie Ryan Schmidt and co...

I look forward to every mention of Surf Jesus from now on:

Razor, ~~Rangi~~, Tubby Ryan the Blues hater, Hansen, Holland, Ellison and co.

nostrildamus

@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

@Yeahtheboys said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

Fozzie won by 31 last year….

You mean Fozzie Ryan Schmidt and co...

I look forward to every mention of Surf Jesus from now on:

Razor, ~~Rangi~~, Tubby Ryan the Blues hater, Hansen, Holland, Ellison and co.

The Surf Apostles?

Nepia

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

@Yeahtheboys said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

Fozzie won by 31 last year….

You mean Fozzie Ryan Schmidt and co...

I look forward to every mention of Surf Jesus from now on:

Razor, ~~Rangi~~, Tubby Ryan the Blues hater, Hansen, Holland, Ellison and co.

The Surf Apostles?

So we can simplify it down the The Bear Apostles and The Surf Apostles.

The Silver Fern

All Blacks vs Wallabies I