Otago 2024
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@SouthernMann $95K isnt a bad wicket...especially for living in dunedin...i think the thing for me is its not setting you up tor retire early so you either need another career lined up or you need to do it through to retirement
Donnelly is a surveyor...could get him hammering in boundary pegs if he needs a gig
@Kiwiwomble said in Otago 2024:
@SouthernMann $95K isnt a bad wicket...especially for living in dunedin...i think the thing for me is its not setting you up tor retire early so you either need another career lined up or you need to do it through to retirement
Donnelly is a surveyor...could get him hammering in boundary pegs if he needs a gig
A surveyor by the piece of paper he earnt as a young fella. I highly doubt he has ever put on the steel capped boots and trapsed the hills in a paid capacity, in the 20 years since he has graduated. 90k plus 100k as a Highlanders assistant coach. Great income. Worth it. But being publicly berated and slammed due to your selections and tactics for a job under 100k. Stuff that. We are certainly in agreeance it isn't a decent liveable wage raising a family or getting ahead. It is the sort of money that will keep you above board as long as you have other income streams or roles in the months around the grind.
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come on....i was obviously taking the micky about him starting again as a surveyor
we might have different ideas of a liveable income though....i think most families get by on that or less...my only concern is how long you can keep doing it and what you do afterwards, his partner might also work which changes things too
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Yesh, yeah got me again. Dumb bastard I am sometimes. Certsinly different view on liveable income. While a lot of my friends are still in Dunedin, I think that is about what decebtly qualified people down there make. I have Wellington lens' on these days. Money wise. Publicly facing jobs also bring in a lot of criticism, that also needs to be tied in as a consideration. I certainty wouldn't take a job with that level of scrutiny for that level of pay.
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i was on that when i first moved to Melbourne a few years ago....and i imagine dunedin us still a lot cheaper to live in the melbourne
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Massive missed opportunity last night. Thought the shape of our attack looked fairly poor... with how good our forwards went with ball in hand, we really shat the bed. This year has been better, but bugger me look at the squad.
I'm not having any excuses. If we can win 3/4 we might sneak into 8th, but it will be tight.
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Massive missed opportunity last night. Thought the shape of our attack looked fairly poor... with how good our forwards went with ball in hand, we really shat the bed. This year has been better, but bugger me look at the squad.
I'm not having any excuses. If we can win 3/4 we might sneak into 8th, but it will be tight.
@frugby said in Otago 2024:
Massive missed opportunity last night. Thought the shape of our attack looked fairly poor... with how good our forwards went with ball in hand, we really shat the bed. This year has been better, but bugger me look at the squad.
I'm not having any excuses. If we can win 3/4 we might sneak into 8th, but it will be tight.
I've got a feeling three or four teams will be still gunning for final playoff positions come the last round.
I don't think Otago were that bad, I just think a lot of Wellington players that have been waiting for an opportunity really stood up and it shows the quality of depth the province has been building the last couple years. If Otago can keep all their players fit i.e. Nareki I think they'll sneak in over the likes of Auckland from what I've seen.
Haig looks like a very good prospect and a raw boned 6 that we need at the highest level. I wouldn't be surprised by the next WC if we had a loose forward trio of 6. Haig, 7. Lakai and 8. Sititi. The balance of that trio is perfect in my view.
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Certainly with you @Canes4life that Haig offers some balance in the loose trio that is lilely what we are looking for. Will probably end up somewhere between 115 and 120 kg. So a big unit for a six. Just a really complete footy player does everything right.
While our season hasn't gone well result wise. Some of the huys we wanted to see develop have been heading in the rigjt direction and that is certainly a positive. -
Certainly with you @Canes4life that Haig offers some balance in the loose trio that is lilely what we are looking for. Will probably end up somewhere between 115 and 120 kg. So a big unit for a six. Just a really complete footy player does everything right.
While our season hasn't gone well result wise. Some of the huys we wanted to see develop have been heading in the rigjt direction and that is certainly a positive.@SouthernMann said in Otago 2024:
Certainly with you @Canes4life that Haig offers some balance in the loose trio that is lilely what we are looking for. Will probably end up somewhere between 115 and 120 kg. So a big unit for a six. Just a really complete footy player does everything right.
While our season hasn't gone well result wise. Some of the huys we wanted to see develop have been heading in the rigjt direction and that is certainly a positive.Certainly a few future ABs in that pack when you inclide Holland and Haig. Nice signs for the Highlanders.
I thought Hurley was very dangerous from fullback aswell. Definitely good signs for the future.
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Massive missed opportunity last night. Thought the shape of our attack looked fairly poor... with how good our forwards went with ball in hand, we really shat the bed. This year has been better, but bugger me look at the squad.
I'm not having any excuses. If we can win 3/4 we might sneak into 8th, but it will be tight.
@frugby said in Otago 2024:
Massive missed opportunity last night. Thought the shape of our attack looked fairly poor... with how good our forwards went with ball in hand, we really shat the bed. This year has been better, but bugger me look at the squad.
I'm not having any excuses. If we can win 3/4 we might sneak into 8th, but it will be tight.
Always strange how people can see things so differently, I though our attack shape looks lively until we got inside the 22, dummy runners, out the back plays, double rounds, always looking to get on the outside shoulder and draw a man…it was our defence that I though looked like a siv
Result aside I was really enthused given then makeshift team
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It was a game if ifs. With the biggest one being about four minutes to go. If we didn't get a finger to the clearing kick it would have been our lineout and we would have probably got the biscuits. But, we did and then lost. Game of inches
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@frugby said in Otago 2024:
Massive missed opportunity last night. Thought the shape of our attack looked fairly poor... with how good our forwards went with ball in hand, we really shat the bed. This year has been better, but bugger me look at the squad.
I'm not having any excuses. If we can win 3/4 we might sneak into 8th, but it will be tight.
Always strange how people can see things so differently, I though our attack shape looks lively until we got inside the 22, dummy runners, out the back plays, double rounds, always looking to get on the outside shoulder and draw a man…it was our defence that I though looked like a siv
Result aside I was really enthused given then makeshift team
@Kiwiwomble said in Otago 2024:
@frugby said in Otago 2024:
Massive missed opportunity last night. Thought the shape of our attack looked fairly poor... with how good our forwards went with ball in hand, we really shat the bed. This year has been better, but bugger me look at the squad.
I'm not having any excuses. If we can win 3/4 we might sneak into 8th, but it will be tight.
Always strange how people can see things so differently, I though our attack shape looks lively until we got inside the 22, dummy runners, out the back plays, double rounds, always looking to get on the outside shoulder and draw a man…it was our defence that I though looked like a siv
Result aside I was really enthused given then makeshift team
Agree. I meant our shape in the red zone. We seemed to go quite lateral rather than getting our forwards running in a straight line.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Otago 2024:
@frugby said in Otago 2024:
Massive missed opportunity last night. Thought the shape of our attack looked fairly poor... with how good our forwards went with ball in hand, we really shat the bed. This year has been better, but bugger me look at the squad.
I'm not having any excuses. If we can win 3/4 we might sneak into 8th, but it will be tight.
Always strange how people can see things so differently, I though our attack shape looks lively until we got inside the 22, dummy runners, out the back plays, double rounds, always looking to get on the outside shoulder and draw a man…it was our defence that I though looked like a siv
Result aside I was really enthused given then makeshift team
Agree. I meant our shape in the red zone. We seemed to go quite lateral rather than getting our forwards running in a straight line.
@frugby ok, that i agree with
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Plenty of time camped on the Wellington line and just buggering it up. No problem getting there. Just finishing it off was a shitshow
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It was a game if ifs. With the biggest one being about four minutes to go. If we didn't get a finger to the clearing kick it would have been our lineout and we would have probably got the biscuits. But, we did and then lost. Game of inches
@SouthernMann said in Otago 2024:
It was a game if ifs. With the biggest one being about four minutes to go. If we didn't get a finger to the clearing kick it would have been our lineout and we would have probably got the biscuits. But, we did and then lost. Game of inches
Yeah but then if Maiava scored and didn't put his knee into touch that would have probably sealed the game a lot earlier so horses for courses.
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So to make the playoffs, we need to go above two sides.
- Canterbury play Waikato at home, and we require them to lose without getting a BP
- Counties play Manawatu away, and we need them to lose
- North Harbour play Southland away, and we need them to lose
- Auckland play Ta$man and BOP, need them to lose one of those
Can't see it happening... most likely scenario, I think involves Canterbury losing without a BP, and that feels very unlikely... and even still we'd need a BP win v Northland.
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So to make the playoffs, we need to go above two sides.
- Canterbury play Waikato at home, and we require them to lose without getting a BP
- Counties play Manawatu away, and we need them to lose
- North Harbour play Southland away, and we need them to lose
- Auckland play Ta$man and BOP, need them to lose one of those
Can't see it happening... most likely scenario, I think involves Canterbury losing without a BP, and that feels very unlikely... and even still we'd need a BP win v Northland.
@frugby it’s so frustrating that Otago is in exactly the same place they were last year. No real visible improvement apart from a handful of players getting better (which they should, particularly the younger players). The game plan is still nonexistent, the ability to close out a game is nonexistent, the ability to hang in with better teams and at least be competitive is nonexistent.
There aren’t any more excuses of the squad being young and inexperienced. Something has to change or Otago would have wasted one of its better young cores in a long time
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@frugby it’s so frustrating that Otago is in exactly the same place they were last year. No real visible improvement apart from a handful of players getting better (which they should, particularly the younger players). The game plan is still nonexistent, the ability to close out a game is nonexistent, the ability to hang in with better teams and at least be competitive is nonexistent.
There aren’t any more excuses of the squad being young and inexperienced. Something has to change or Otago would have wasted one of its better young cores in a long time
@KiwiInLondon said in Otago 2024:
There aren’t any more excuses of the squad being young and inexperienced. Something has to change or Otago would have wasted one of its better young cores in a long time
And that change being the head coach/coaching group which we have been waiting for and needed for a long time. It’s good that it’s finally happening but it should have happened a lot earlier.
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@frugby it’s so frustrating that Otago is in exactly the same place they were last year. No real visible improvement apart from a handful of players getting better (which they should, particularly the younger players). The game plan is still nonexistent, the ability to close out a game is nonexistent, the ability to hang in with better teams and at least be competitive is nonexistent.
There aren’t any more excuses of the squad being young and inexperienced. Something has to change or Otago would have wasted one of its better young cores in a long time
you could say all the same things about Northland . . . lets see how they match up tomorrow
