Super Rugby 2025
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How do they determine a lucky loser? If the top seed is knocked out, surely they should get a second bite of the cherry. What a shambles.
@Canes4life said in Super Rugby 2025:
How do they determine a lucky loser? If the top seed is knocked out, surely they should get a second bite of the cherry. What a shambles.
If the top seed is knocked out they would be lucky loser, so would get 2nd bite mate. Lucky loser is the highest ranked loser, so either 1st and 2nd could lose and get second bite. I think that's fair.
Lets face it fellas, I doesn't matter what they do some will be pissed. I much perfer this idea than top 7 qualifying. Hey I would like top 4 , but that would set up wailing too?
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That is a crazy play off system just adds to more confusion.
It could work out the 3 v 4 play of game could mean nothing.
They have over thought this format.@Chris said in Super Rugby 2025:
That is a crazy play off system just adds to more confusion.
It could work out the 3 v 4 play of game could mean nothing.
They have over thought this format.Wouldn't it mean the loser would play top seed in semis, I think we are trying to hard to rubbish it.
1-6 if won by 6 they get home against lowest qualifier (ie 4 or 3 if 4 win their match)
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@Chris said in Super Rugby 2025:
That is a crazy play off system just adds to more confusion.
It could work out the 3 v 4 play of game could mean nothing.
They have over thought this format.Wouldn't it mean the loser would play top seed in semis, I think we are trying to hard to rubbish it.
1-6 if won by 6 they get home against lowest qualifier (ie 4 or 3 if 4 win their match)
Same with 2-5.@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2025:
@Chris said in Super Rugby 2025:
That is a crazy play off system just adds to more confusion.
It could work out the 3 v 4 play of game could mean nothing.
They have over thought this format.Wouldn't it mean the loser would play top seed in semis, I think we are trying to hard to rubbish it.
Yes if it was played last both teams may qualify
If top 2 seeds are through so it is a nothing game if that happens you would think they would not play it as the last game. -
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2025:
@Chris said in Super Rugby 2025:
That is a crazy play off system just adds to more confusion.
It could work out the 3 v 4 play of game could mean nothing.
They have over thought this format.Wouldn't it mean the loser would play top seed in semis, I think we are trying to hard to rubbish it.
Yes if it was played last both teams may qualify
If top 2 seeds are through so it is a nothing game if that happens you would think they would not play it as the last game.@Chris said in Super Rugby 2025:
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2025:
@Chris said in Super Rugby 2025:
That is a crazy play off system just adds to more confusion.
It could work out the 3 v 4 play of game could mean nothing.
They have over thought this format.Wouldn't it mean the loser would play top seed in semis, I think we are trying to hard to rubbish it.
Yes if it was played last both teams may qualify
If top 2 seeds are through so it is a nothing game if that happens you would think they would not play it as the last game.Mate thats not right, I just edited my above post, they are playing for who they play next week if top seeds have qualified. Add to that almost always the lowest knockout is played first!
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@Chris said in Super Rugby 2025:
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2025:
@Chris said in Super Rugby 2025:
That is a crazy play off system just adds to more confusion.
It could work out the 3 v 4 play of game could mean nothing.
They have over thought this format.Wouldn't it mean the loser would play top seed in semis, I think we are trying to hard to rubbish it.
Yes if it was played last both teams may qualify
If top 2 seeds are through so it is a nothing game if that happens you would think they would not play it as the last game.Mate thats not right, I just edited my above post, they are playing for who they play next week if top seeds have qualified. Add to that almost always the lowest knockout is played first!
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2025:
@Chris said in Super Rugby 2025:
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2025:
@Chris said in Super Rugby 2025:
That is a crazy play off system just adds to more confusion.
It could work out the 3 v 4 play of game could mean nothing.
They have over thought this format.Wouldn't it mean the loser would play top seed in semis, I think we are trying to hard to rubbish it.
Yes if it was played last both teams may qualify
If top 2 seeds are through so it is a nothing game if that happens you would think they would not play it as the last game.Mate thats not right, I just edited my above post, they are playing for who they play next week if top seeds have qualified. Add to that almost always the lowest knockout is played first!
Ok that makes more sense.
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Same old format, except now there's more bye-round weeks for everyone.
All teams play an uneven amount of games against half of the teams.
Refuse to have an open player market like other leagues do.
This competition will be gone in 5 years time.
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Same old format, except now there's more bye-round weeks for everyone.
All teams play an uneven amount of games against half of the teams.
Refuse to have an open player market like other leagues do.
This competition will be gone in 5 years time.
@darylmitchell said in Super Rugby 2025:
Same old format, except now there's more bye-round weeks for everyone.
All teams play an uneven amount of games against half of the teams.
Refuse to have an open player market like other leagues do.
This competition will be gone in 5 years time.
Not sure why there is not an open market, players can play wherever they want.
A lot of comps play uneven matches etc. Doesn't comps like NRL play some teams twice but not all? Not sure I don't watch it, but seem to recall same moans there when I lived in Aus.
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So are things not so rosy in the URC? SA might be without a home up north soon.
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So are things not so rosy in the URC? SA might be without a home up north soon.
@Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2025:
So are things not so rosy in the URC? SA might be without a home up north soon.
Nice to read that things are not rosy for them up there, and that the locals might turf them out in time
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As @Nepia tell us every 5 minutes but is right at the same time, if the South Africans wanted to play in Super Rugby, they would.
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So are things not so rosy in the URC? SA might be without a home up north soon.
@Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2025:
So are things not so rosy in the URC? SA might be without a home up north soon.
All bullshit
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The more I think about the new playoff & lucky loser concept the more I think it doesn't suck.
It's 100 times better than the current format of 8 out of 12 make the playoffs.
Also, others have said if the #1 seed loses to #6 then they are still guaranteed to get through, so why wouldn't they put out a weakened team? Well if #1 did lose then they drop to a lower seed # and could therefore lose home advantage if they make end up making the final.
The higher up the table you finish the more chance you get to get a second chance.
At first I thought it was a terrible concept, but I'm coming around to it.
They probably should have given it a better name though, like 2nd chance. -
The more I think about the new playoff & lucky loser concept the more I think it doesn't suck.
It's 100 times better than the current format of 8 out of 12 make the playoffs.
Also, others have said if the #1 seed loses to #6 then they are still guaranteed to get through, so why wouldn't they put out a weakened team? Well if #1 did lose then they drop to a lower seed # and could therefore lose home advantage if they make end up making the final.
The higher up the table you finish the more chance you get to get a second chance.
At first I thought it was a terrible concept, but I'm coming around to it.
They probably should have given it a better name though, like 2nd chance.@WestieFella Glad you thought it through mate. As I said I quite like it, maybe not perfect, but better than what we got.
I know I say I prefer straight top 4 finals, but we have to be realistic, clubs/comp want/need to keep as many fans/people engaged with comp as long as possible.
Even the talk of longer comp full 2 rounds etc? Once again I would like, but not a lot of comps have it (unfortunately) and perhaps leave people wanting more than having too much? Don't know but I will enjoy what we have anyway. -
Same old format, except now there's more bye-round weeks for everyone.
All teams play an uneven amount of games against half of the teams.
Refuse to have an open player market like other leagues do.
This competition will be gone in 5 years time.
@darylmitchell said in Super Rugby 2025:
Same old format, except now there's more bye-round weeks for everyone.
All teams play an uneven amount of games against half of the teams.
Refuse to have an open player market like other leagues do.
This competition will be gone in 5 years time.
how isn;t there an open player market?
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@darylmitchell said in Super Rugby 2025:
Same old format, except now there's more bye-round weeks for everyone.
All teams play an uneven amount of games against half of the teams.
Refuse to have an open player market like other leagues do.
This competition will be gone in 5 years time.
how isn;t there an open player market?
@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2025:
@darylmitchell said in Super Rugby 2025:
Same old format, except now there's more bye-round weeks for everyone.
All teams play an uneven amount of games against half of the teams.
Refuse to have an open player market like other leagues do.
This competition will be gone in 5 years time.
how isn;t there an open player market?
Yeah I don't see Super Rugby existing in the future, it's dying a slow death unless a miracle happens and these idiots that manage the show somehow turn things around. If they ease the rules towards picking overseas players for international footy in this country, that will only speed up the process.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2025:
@darylmitchell said in Super Rugby 2025:
Same old format, except now there's more bye-round weeks for everyone.
All teams play an uneven amount of games against half of the teams.
Refuse to have an open player market like other leagues do.
This competition will be gone in 5 years time.
how isn;t there an open player market?
Yeah I don't see Super Rugby existing in the future, it's dying a slow death unless a miracle happens and these idiots that manage the show somehow turn things around. If they ease the rules towards picking overseas players for international footy in this country, that will only speed up the process.
@Canes4life said in Super Rugby 2025:
@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2025:
@darylmitchell said in Super Rugby 2025:
Same old format, except now there's more bye-round weeks for everyone.
All teams play an uneven amount of games against half of the teams.
Refuse to have an open player market like other leagues do.
This competition will be gone in 5 years time.
how isn;t there an open player market?
Yeah I don't see Super Rugby existing in the future, it's dying a slow death unless something majorly drastic happens. If they ease the rules towards picking overseas players for international footy in this country, that will only speed up the process.
oh, he means to be selected for the AB's? thats not really a super rugby rule
much like i think if we make a strong and robust competition then the best players will want to stay and play at least partially because a strong and popular competition will attract better sponsors and investors and we'll be able to pay more...i also think it will have a natural flow onto the the AB's success
at the moment i feel like its the tail wagging the dog, frantically tweaking an already broken super rugby to keep the strength we still have....
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@Canes4life said in Super Rugby 2025:
@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2025:
@darylmitchell said in Super Rugby 2025:
Same old format, except now there's more bye-round weeks for everyone.
All teams play an uneven amount of games against half of the teams.
Refuse to have an open player market like other leagues do.
This competition will be gone in 5 years time.
how isn;t there an open player market?
Yeah I don't see Super Rugby existing in the future, it's dying a slow death unless something majorly drastic happens. If they ease the rules towards picking overseas players for international footy in this country, that will only speed up the process.
oh, he means to be selected for the AB's? thats not really a super rugby rule
much like i think if we make a strong and robust competition then the best players will want to stay and play at least partially because a strong and popular competition will attract better sponsors and investors and we'll be able to pay more...i also think it will have a natural flow onto the the AB's success
at the moment i feel like its the tail wagging the dog, frantically tweaking an already broken super rugby to keep the strength we still have....
@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2025:
@Canes4life said in Super Rugby 2025:
@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2025:
@darylmitchell said in Super Rugby 2025:
Same old format, except now there's more bye-round weeks for everyone.
All teams play an uneven amount of games against half of the teams.
Refuse to have an open player market like other leagues do.
This competition will be gone in 5 years time.
how isn;t there an open player market?
Yeah I don't see Super Rugby existing in the future, it's dying a slow death unless something majorly drastic happens. If they ease the rules towards picking overseas players for international footy in this country, that will only speed up the process.
oh, he means to be selected for the AB's? thats not really a super rugby rule
much like i think if we make a strong and robust competition then the best players will want to stay and play at least partially because a strong and popular competition will attract better sponsors and investors and we'll be able to pay more...i also think it will have a natural flow onto the the AB's success
at the moment i feel like its the tail wagging the dog, frantically tweaking an already broken super rugby to keep the strength we still have....
I just don't have faith in the 'decision makers' these days that they'll even get anywhere close to having a rigid comp in the next five years.
How many times has the competition model been hampered with over the last ten years? I'm an avid follower and I struggle to keep up with the competition continuously changing, along with yearly rule updates etc.
If you're trying to grow the sport or you are aiming to create an engaging product for an audience that is new to the sport, then keeping it simple is surely the way to go. I feel like the lines get more blurred every year which is just so frustrating for fans and it must be even more frustrating for coaches and players.
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@darylmitchell said in Super Rugby 2025:
Same old format, except now there's more bye-round weeks for everyone.
All teams play an uneven amount of games against half of the teams.
Refuse to have an open player market like other leagues do.
This competition will be gone in 5 years time.
how isn;t there an open player market?
@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2025:
@darylmitchell said in Super Rugby 2025:
Same old format, except now there's more bye-round weeks for everyone.
All teams play an uneven amount of games against half of the teams.
Refuse to have an open player market like other leagues do.
This competition will be gone in 5 years time.
how isn;t there an open player market?
All Blacks can't play for Australian teams and vice versa.
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How do you create more diehard fans? Hate to compare to the NRL nut a lot of the fans in that comp are fucking nutcases. Personally I love Super Rugby and I love my team and I'd call myself a fucking nutcase fan and proudly so.
What stopped SR from forming a sense of tribalism?
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How do you create more diehard fans? Hate to compare to the NRL nut a lot of the fans in that comp are fucking nutcases. Personally I love Super Rugby and I love my team and I'd call myself a fucking nutcase fan and proudly so.
What stopped SR from forming a sense of tribalism?
@Yeetyaah said in Super Rugby 2025:
How do you create more diehard fans? Hate to compare to the NRL nut a lot of the fans in that comp are fucking nutcases. Personally I love Super Rugby and I love my team and I'd call myself a fucking nutcase fan and proudly so.
What stopped SR from forming a sense of tribalism?
Old data but I suspect it is similar to the current situation (or is worse now), showing that 70% of Super rugby viewers were "born before 1976 and are at least 40 years old." The report states "this drop off in viewership amongst younger generations illustrates the challenges facing traditional sports in a world of increasingly diverse entertainment options."
So, simply put, not enough kids like us have been really engaged, and of the older generation, they are still in love with the NPC (although the percentage of people watching that competition was roughly the same as those watching league).
Edit: That doesn't really answer your question, but the issue thus far has been not creating those fans. I think that there is an issue of people growing into watching rugby, but there is also the issue of people's allegiances being mixed up by the different teams and formats.
