All Blacks vs Wallabies 2
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
ordie plays a fairly simple game at 12 currently where he essentially trucks the ball up
He's been frustratingly poor at doing this with any physicality. And teh big boot seems to have disappeared. The two big reasons he seemed a sensible option at 12!
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
ordie plays a fairly simple game at 12 currently where he essentially trucks the ball up
He's been frustratingly poor at doing this with any physicality. And teh big boot seems to have disappeared. The two big reasons he seemed a sensible option at 12!
I remember as a young fella he appeared to have a good wide passing game too , not sure what happened there
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Firstly, there's a month off after this game so nobody needs a rest to prepare for the EOYT. Hopefully Razor resists the urge to give out participation caps and give everyone a run.
De Groot needs game time, and Williams has had enough to gain confidence. Stay the same.
Taylor has been good, Aumua needs a start to gain confidence. Swap them.
Lomax has been good, Tosi needs decent minutes if we want to develop him. Swap them.
Keep the starting locks as they are. Finau to cover lock from the bench as an impact sub.
Savea to the bench, Sititi to 8. Blackadder to 6, Dalton to 7.
Backline stays the same, but ALB in for the injured JB. -
To what extent has Proctor played at 12?
If he wants a bench spot, he needs to be able to cover 12.@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
To what extent has Proctor played at 12?
If he wants a bench spot, he needs to be able to cover 12.He's played there a couple times for Wellington and a couple times for the Canes and didn't go badly but he's obviously more astute at 13.
I think Saturday is the perfect opportunity to start ALB and Proctor together again.
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ALB will start at 12 and they'll likely go for DH on the bench is my pick.
Think they should drop ALB out of the 23 altogether after his YC last week and give Plummer a run at 10. We need to see what Plummer can bring at this level for more than two minutes as DMac isn't the answer. Put DH at 12 and start Proctor at 13. DH can't do any worse than the drivel JB has offered up this year.
Keep Cortez at 9 and bring Hotham onto the bench. Time to start looking to the future in terms of the halfbacks. -
Think this team could be quite interesting. Jordan was good at fullback, there is conjecture about McKenzie's efforts. I therefore think B Barrett will probably start at 10. In his last outing for the ABs, I think Perenara will start. ALB comes in, he worked well with Proctor so there is a fair chance they bring him in on his home track. Clarke will also start, so only question is on the right wing I think. They might just have a look at Rieko, or they'll go back to Tele'a...
9 Perenara
10 B Barrett
11 Clarke
12 ALB
13 Proctor
14 Ioane/Tele'a
15 Jordan21 Hotham
22 Plummer
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Think this team could be quite interesting. Jordan was good at fullback, there is conjecture about McKenzie's efforts. I therefore think B Barrett will probably start at 10. In his last outing for the ABs, I think Perenara will start. ALB comes in, he worked well with Proctor so there is a fair chance they bring him in on his home track. Clarke will also start, so only question is on the right wing I think. They might just have a look at Rieko, or they'll go back to Tele'a...
9 Perenara
10 B Barrett
11 Clarke
12 ALB
13 Proctor
14 Ioane/Tele'a
15 Jordan21 Hotham
22 Plummer
23 Havili/Ioane@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Think this team could be quite interesting. Jordan was good at fullback, there is conjecture about McKenzie's efforts. I therefore think B Barrett will probably start at 10. In his last outing for the ABs, I think Perenara will start. ALB comes in, he worked well with Proctor so there is a fair chance they bring him in on his home track. Clarke will also start, so only question is on the right wing I think. They might just have a look at Rieko, or they'll go back to Tele'a...
9 Perenara
10 B Barrett
11 Clarke
12 ALB
13 Proctor
14 Ioane/Tele'a
15 Jordan21 Hotham
22 Plummer
23 Havili/IoaneI think they'll go:
9. Ratima
10. McKenzie
11. Clarke
12. ALB
13. Ioane
14. Jordan
15. BarrettAnd then the three P's for impact.
- Perenara
- Plummer
- Proctor
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Think this team could be quite interesting. Jordan was good at fullback, there is conjecture about McKenzie's efforts. I therefore think B Barrett will probably start at 10. In his last outing for the ABs, I think Perenara will start. ALB comes in, he worked well with Proctor so there is a fair chance they bring him in on his home track. Clarke will also start, so only question is on the right wing I think. They might just have a look at Rieko, or they'll go back to Tele'a...
9 Perenara
10 B Barrett
11 Clarke
12 ALB
13 Proctor
14 Ioane/Tele'a
15 Jordan21 Hotham
22 Plummer
23 Havili/IoaneI think they'll go:
9. Ratima
10. McKenzie
11. Clarke
12. ALB
13. Ioane
14. Jordan
15. BarrettAnd then the three P's for impact.
- Perenara
- Plummer
- Proctor
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Think this team could be quite interesting. Jordan was good at fullback, there is conjecture about McKenzie's efforts. I therefore think B Barrett will probably start at 10. In his last outing for the ABs, I think Perenara will start. ALB comes in, he worked well with Proctor so there is a fair chance they bring him in on his home track. Clarke will also start, so only question is on the right wing I think. They might just have a look at Rieko, or they'll go back to Tele'a...
9 Perenara
10 B Barrett
11 Clarke
12 ALB
13 Proctor
14 Ioane/Tele'a
15 Jordan21 Hotham
22 Plummer
23 Havili/IoaneI think they'll go:
9. Ratima
10. McKenzie
11. Clarke
12. ALB
13. Ioane
14. Jordan
15. BarrettAnd then the three P's for impact.
- Perenara
- Plummer
- Proctor
for once i acually agree with you
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Robertson's really got nothing to lose now and needs to start building for the EOYT - coz if he loses 2 games, the knives will really be out and we've lost a year
Give Darry a start, try Sititi at 8, give Hotham, Plummer & Proctor some game-time. Ardie off the bench as a impact player.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Robertson's really got nothing to lose now and needs to start building for the EOYT - coz if he loses 2 games, the knives will really be out and we've lost a year
Give Darry a start, try Sititi at 8, give Hotham, Plummer & Proctor some game-time. Ardie off the bench as a impact player.
I actually agree with you.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Think this team could be quite interesting. Jordan was good at fullback, there is conjecture about McKenzie's efforts. I therefore think B Barrett will probably start at 10. In his last outing for the ABs, I think Perenara will start. ALB comes in, he worked well with Proctor so there is a fair chance they bring him in on his home track. Clarke will also start, so only question is on the right wing I think. They might just have a look at Rieko, or they'll go back to Tele'a...
9 Perenara
10 B Barrett
11 Clarke
12 ALB
13 Proctor
14 Ioane/Tele'a
15 Jordan21 Hotham
22 Plummer
23 Havili/IoaneI think they'll go:
9. Ratima
10. McKenzie
11. Clarke
12. ALB
13. Ioane
14. Jordan
15. BarrettAnd then the three P's for impact.
- Perenara
- Plummer
- Proctor
for once i acually agree with you
@ploughboy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Think this team could be quite interesting. Jordan was good at fullback, there is conjecture about McKenzie's efforts. I therefore think B Barrett will probably start at 10. In his last outing for the ABs, I think Perenara will start. ALB comes in, he worked well with Proctor so there is a fair chance they bring him in on his home track. Clarke will also start, so only question is on the right wing I think. They might just have a look at Rieko, or they'll go back to Tele'a...
9 Perenara
10 B Barrett
11 Clarke
12 ALB
13 Proctor
14 Ioane/Tele'a
15 Jordan21 Hotham
22 Plummer
23 Havili/IoaneI think they'll go:
9. Ratima
10. McKenzie
11. Clarke
12. ALB
13. Ioane
14. Jordan
15. BarrettAnd then the three P's for impact.
- Perenara
- Plummer
- Proctor
for once i acually agree with you
That's what the Fern is all about mate, we don't always agree and that's fine. Good to see you're on the same page.
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Alright everyone, we are saved. Wayne Smith has joined the ABs in Wellington. About time they've brought in a coach with some sense.
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Alright everyone, we are saved. Wayne Smith has joined the ABs in Wellington. About time they've brought in a coach with some sense.
@Canes4life for the all important 10th ranked Wallabies (Fiji moved up to 9th on Sunday)?
It's too bad the All Blacks can't depend on a world-class assistant like him when the team actually needs one - you know like over in South Africa and on the Northern tour.... Razor in his foolishly misplaced loyally to Holland and McDonald ignored Tony Brown who was open to offers in 2024.
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Think this team could be quite interesting. Jordan was good at fullback, there is conjecture about McKenzie's efforts. I therefore think B Barrett will probably start at 10. In his last outing for the ABs, I think Perenara will start. ALB comes in, he worked well with Proctor so there is a fair chance they bring him in on his home track. Clarke will also start, so only question is on the right wing I think. They might just have a look at Rieko, or they'll go back to Tele'a...
9 Perenara
10 B Barrett
11 Clarke
12 ALB
13 Proctor
14 Ioane/Tele'a
15 Jordan21 Hotham
22 Plummer
23 Havili/IoaneI think they'll go:
9. Ratima
10. McKenzie
11. Clarke
12. ALB
13. Ioane
14. Jordan
15. BarrettAnd then the three P's for impact.
- Perenara
- Plummer
- Proctor
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Think this team could be quite interesting. Jordan was good at fullback, there is conjecture about McKenzie's efforts. I therefore think B Barrett will probably start at 10. In his last outing for the ABs, I think Perenara will start. ALB comes in, he worked well with Proctor so there is a fair chance they bring him in on his home track. Clarke will also start, so only question is on the right wing I think. They might just have a look at Rieko, or they'll go back to Tele'a...
9 Perenara
10 B Barrett
11 Clarke
12 ALB
13 Proctor
14 Ioane/Tele'a
15 Jordan21 Hotham
22 Plummer
23 Havili/IoaneI think they'll go:
9. Ratima
10. McKenzie
11. Clarke
12. ALB
13. Ioane
14. Jordan
15. BarrettAnd then the three P's for impact.
- Perenara
- Plummer
- Proctor
That looks good. I thought Reece played really well - TMO got it wrong, and McKenzie threw a shit pass. I like his energy. But Clarke and Jordan offer more, and they will still select BB. McKenzie creates so much, we just need him to finish. Disappointed Love has been injured so much this year.
The loose forward trio is the big issue. We have a squad full of 7s. Sititi is good but doesn’t look big either. Our best tackle of the weekend was by Ratima.
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Alright everyone, we are saved. Wayne Smith has joined the ABs in Wellington. About time they've brought in a coach with some sense.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Alright everyone, we are saved. Wayne Smith has joined the ABs in Wellington. About time they've brought in a coach with some sense.
And Chay Fihaki?
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Robertson's really got nothing to lose now and needs to start building for the EOYT - coz if he loses 2 games, the knives will really be out and we've lost a year
Give Darry a start, try Sititi at 8, give Hotham, Plummer & Proctor some game-time. Ardie off the bench as a impact player.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Robertson's really got nothing to lose now and needs to start building for the EOYT - coz if he loses 2 games, the knives will really be out and we've lost a year
Give Darry a start, try Sititi at 8, give Hotham, Plummer & Proctor some game-time. Ardie off the bench as a impact player.
I like the sentiment, but I think that's too many changes to allow a good assessment of the new guys. Darry, Sititi, Ratima, Plummer for half a game, then either ALB and Proctor. I think it's unfair to slot Proctor in at unfamiliar 12 this early
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Think this team could be quite interesting. Jordan was good at fullback, there is conjecture about McKenzie's efforts. I therefore think B Barrett will probably start at 10. In his last outing for the ABs, I think Perenara will start. ALB comes in, he worked well with Proctor so there is a fair chance they bring him in on his home track. Clarke will also start, so only question is on the right wing I think. They might just have a look at Rieko, or they'll go back to Tele'a...
9 Perenara
10 B Barrett
11 Clarke
12 ALB
13 Proctor
14 Ioane/Tele'a
15 Jordan21 Hotham
22 Plummer
23 Havili/IoaneI think they'll go:
9. Ratima
10. McKenzie
11. Clarke
12. ALB
13. Ioane
14. Jordan
15. BarrettAnd then the three P's for impact.
- Perenara
- Plummer
- Proctor
That looks good. I thought Reece played really well - TMO got it wrong, and McKenzie threw a shit pass. I like his energy. But Clarke and Jordan offer more, and they will still select BB. McKenzie creates so much, we just need him to finish. Disappointed Love has been injured so much this year.
The loose forward trio is the big issue. We have a squad full of 7s. Sititi is good but doesn’t look big either. Our best tackle of the weekend was by Ratima.
@kev said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
I thought Reece played really well
After two big stuff-ups he is now so tentative chasing contestable kicks. There were some kicks that were right on the money and Reece wasn't interesting in, well you know, contesting them. Compare that to Clarke.
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
I thought Reece played really well
After two big stuff-ups he is now so tentative chasing contestable kicks. There were some kicks that were right on the money and Reece wasn't interesting in, well you know, contesting them. Compare that to Clarke.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
I thought Reece played really well
After two big stuff-ups he is now so tentative chasing contestable kicks. There were some kicks that were right on the money and Reece wasn't interesting in, well you know, contesting them. Compare that to Clarke.
Who was yellow carded
…but also played well. Reece offers a lot…so much better than Telea.
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First sensible design this coaching group has made
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15 will be very interesting, for me BB has slipped in the rankings but I suspect they will choose him if they chance newbies elsewhere-a shame, I think he plays better off the bench.
At wing Clarke is clearly no 1 but sadly I still think Rieko is in the top 2 or 3 wingers so far, sadly as wasn't he mostly an 11 as well? Reece might be ok against Australia but not so useful against SA England and France.
13 is interesting as Proctor is worth a look and did well with ALB but ALB isn't looking great as a bench impact. Perhaps Rieko could start then move to wing cover.
If they play Rieko at 13 it would be a shame not to play A J Lam but I doubt it will happen. Please no to DH but it is possible.
10- I suspect DMac again but it would be great if they gave Plummer 20 minutes.
TJP arguably has played better off the bench than as a starter.
I am guessing they will play Savea, Wellington and all that.
Seems to me Paps offers at least as much as Cane now, I didn't see any advantage based on Cane's greater experience. And if Cane is slipping off important tackles, that is his key feature blunted.
Wondering if we see Lakai this year.
Got to play Sititi but maybe sub him earlier, that game took a lot out of him.
The bench loosies are all a bit meh for me but perhaps LJ shades EB for a. not being injured every second game and b. seems a little more effective. So far.
Tighties all good but I might play EdG off the bench when the Mighty Williams tires.
