All Blacks vs Wallabies 2
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No time for sentimentality when our form is bad, so;
Cane
Perenara
Reece
Aumua
Jacobsen
Havili
Barrett BNow saying I'd be happy not seeing them in Black again isn't quite the same as advocating none of them should play this weekend. That would be too disruptive, but I wouldn't be taking any of them to the NH. They're either past it or haven't got it. Patrick T fits those criteria too in an ideal world.
@dogmeat said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
No time for sentimentality when our form is bad, so;
Cane
Perenara
Reece
Aumua
Jacobsen
Havili
Barrett BNow saying I'd be happy not seeing them in Black again isn't quite the same as advocating none of them should play this weekend. That would be too disruptive, but I wouldn't be taking any of them to the NH. They're either past it or haven't got it. Patrick T fits those criteria too in an ideal world.
You must have some time for sentimentality - otherwise how is Ardie not on your list?
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@dogmeat said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
No time for sentimentality when our form is bad, so;
Cane
Perenara
Reece
Aumua
Jacobsen
Havili
Barrett BNow saying I'd be happy not seeing them in Black again isn't quite the same as advocating none of them should play this weekend. That would be too disruptive, but I wouldn't be taking any of them to the NH. They're either past it or haven't got it. Patrick T fits those criteria too in an ideal world.
You must have some time for sentimentality - otherwise how is Ardie not on your list?
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Yep this match is kinda a send off. Not the ruthless selectorial process we have seen historically.
They should've trusted the young fullas more this year and given game time.@BerniesCorner Like 1974 Dropped at least half the experienced back seat of the bus players and took the captaincy off Kirky (arguably the best player in the team) who learned about it on the bus on the way back from Poverty Bay game and simply said 'at least I'm still in the team".
Ruthless yes but a reaction to the dross the team had delivered the year before and it worked. Not every debutant worked out - but most did and a handful went on to have very successful AB careers.
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@Nepia He's the one I said I would drop. If his form comes back then he's a contender, but those seven. Thanks for the memories etc
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@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
I don't mind that team but have to question the continued selection of Lolesio. Best of a bad bunch I guess, but I'm not convinced even that is true
Lolesio > BBarrett
@Nevorian said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
I don't mind that team but have to question the continued selection of Lolesio. Best of a bad bunch I guess, but I'm not convinced even that is true
Lolesio > BBarrett
Uh... Sure...
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All I will say is, thanks to terrible squad selections and Crusader bias, the 23 we are putting out this year is nowhere near as strong as it could be.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
All I will say is, thanks to terrible squad selections and Crusader bias, the 23 we are putting out this year is nowhere near as strong as it could be.
Ronan O’Gara used to criticise AB selectors for not starting more of the champion Super team, but this year’s champion, built on best pack in comp, can only manage two, both backs.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Yep this match is kinda a send off. Not the ruthless selectorial process we have seen historically.
They should've trusted the young fullas more this year and given game time.I can't imagine Fred Allen giving players a send off other than "you're bloody useless" if they asked why they weren't selected.
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Yep this match is kinda a send off. Not the ruthless selectorial process we have seen historically.
They should've trusted the young fullas more this year and given game time.I can't imagine Fred Allen giving players a send off other than "you're bloody useless" if they asked why they weren't selected.
The parameters are a bit different though eh. Needles coached the ABs for 14 tests over 3 years and wasn't handed a pile of shite.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Yep this match is kinda a send off. Not the ruthless selectorial process we have seen historically.
They should've trusted the young fullas more this year and given game time.I can't imagine Fred Allen giving players a send off other than "you're bloody useless" if they asked why they weren't selected.
The parameters are a bit different though eh. Needles coached the ABs for 14 tests over 3 years and wasn't handed a pile of shite.
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Yep this match is kinda a send off. Not the ruthless selectorial process we have seen historically.
They should've trusted the young fullas more this year and given game time.I can't imagine Fred Allen giving players a send off other than "you're bloody useless" if they asked why they weren't selected.
The parameters are a bit different though eh. Needles coached the ABs for 14 tests over 3 years and wasn't handed a pile of shite.
Razor wasn't handed anything, he picked his team.
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@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Yep this match is kinda a send off. Not the ruthless selectorial process we have seen historically.
They should've trusted the young fullas more this year and given game time.I can't imagine Fred Allen giving players a send off other than "you're bloody useless" if they asked why they weren't selected.
The parameters are a bit different though eh. Needles coached the ABs for 14 tests over 3 years and wasn't handed a pile of shite.
Razor wasn't handed anything, he picked his team.
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Yep this match is kinda a send off. Not the ruthless selectorial process we have seen historically.
They should've trusted the young fullas more this year and given game time.I can't imagine Fred Allen giving players a send off other than "you're bloody useless" if they asked why they weren't selected.
The parameters are a bit different though eh. Needles coached the ABs for 14 tests over 3 years and wasn't handed a pile of shite.
Razor wasn't handed anything, he picked his team.
He had superstars available to him...
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Yep this match is kinda a send off. Not the ruthless selectorial process we have seen historically.
They should've trusted the young fullas more this year and given game time.I can't imagine Fred Allen giving players a send off other than "you're bloody useless" if they asked why they weren't selected.
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Yep this match is kinda a send off. Not the ruthless selectorial process we have seen historically.
They should've trusted the young fullas more this year and given game time.I can't imagine Fred Allen giving players a send off other than "you're bloody useless" if they asked why they weren't selected.
You never even used to get a phone call
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Yep this match is kinda a send off. Not the ruthless selectorial process we have seen historically.
They should've trusted the young fullas more this year and given game time.I can't imagine Fred Allen giving players a send off other than "you're bloody useless" if they asked why they weren't selected.
You never even used to get a phone call
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Yep this match is kinda a send off. Not the ruthless selectorial process we have seen historically.
They should've trusted the young fullas more this year and given game time.I can't imagine Fred Allen giving players a send off other than "you're bloody useless" if they asked why they weren't selected.
You never even used to get a phone call
Didn't even have b/w tele back then.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Yep this match is kinda a send off. Not the ruthless selectorial process we have seen historically.
They should've trusted the young fullas more this year and given game time.I can't imagine Fred Allen giving players a send off other than "you're bloody useless" if they asked why they weren't selected.
You never even used to get a phone call
Didn't even have b/w tele back then.
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Yep this match is kinda a send off. Not the ruthless selectorial process we have seen historically.
They should've trusted the young fullas more this year and given game time.I can't imagine Fred Allen giving players a send off other than "you're bloody useless" if they asked why they weren't selected.
You never even used to get a phone call
Didn't even have b/w tele back then.
I remember they'd read the team out and you had to wait like everyone else
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i cant help but wonder whats going on in the background, is he being told that because people like savea and BB have resigned they have to be at least int he quad, we did spend all the money for nothing kind of shit
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Yep this match is kinda a send off. Not the ruthless selectorial process we have seen historically.
They should've trusted the young fullas more this year and given game time.I can't imagine Fred Allen giving players a send off other than "you're bloody useless" if they asked why they weren't selected.
The parameters are a bit different though eh. Needles coached the ABs for 14 tests over 3 years and wasn't handed a pile of shite.
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Yep this match is kinda a send off. Not the ruthless selectorial process we have seen historically.
They should've trusted the young fullas more this year and given game time.I can't imagine Fred Allen giving players a send off other than "you're bloody useless" if they asked why they weren't selected.
The parameters are a bit different though eh. Needles coached the ABs for 14 tests over 3 years and wasn't handed a pile of shite.
Things I learned today: A RWC finalist = a pile of shite.
We're looking like replicating the 1963–64 Tour...
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i cant help but wonder whats going on in the background, is he being told that because people like savea and BB have resigned they have to be at least int he quad, we did spend all the money for nothing kind of shit
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
i cant help but wonder whats going on in the background, is he being told that because people like savea and BB have resigned they have to be at least int he quad, we did spend all the money for nothing kind of shit
Maybe sponsors want them in the team
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This thread is just a hive of negativity and frankly quite boring to read. I’ll limit my comments to congratulating cane on reaching 100 tests. Thought it was all over after the RWC but it’s been a decent enough return. Certainly not the reason we keep fading with 20 to go.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.
The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.
We do have the cattle, I don't believe for a second that we don't.
I don't think the ABs have the best players in the world. We're the 2nd or 3rd best at the moment... if you were to make a combined team with the 2015 squad, how many of these guys get in there?
de Groot over Woodcock?
Taylor would be the only other forward and none of the backs are anywhere near it.@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.
The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.
We do have the cattle, I don't believe for a second that we don't.
I don't think the ABs have the best players in the world. We're the 2nd or 3rd best at the moment... if you were to make a combined team with the 2015 squad, how many of these guys get in there?
de Groot over Woodcock?
Taylor would be the only other forward and none of the backs are anywhere near it.You don’t know 2015 is considered the best rugby side of all time?
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.
The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.
We do have the cattle, I don't believe for a second that we don't.
I don't think the ABs have the best players in the world. We're the 2nd or 3rd best at the moment... if you were to make a combined team with the 2015 squad, how many of these guys get in there?
de Groot over Woodcock?
Taylor would be the only other forward and none of the backs are anywhere near it.You don’t know 2015 is considered the best rugby side of all time?
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.
The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.
We do have the cattle, I don't believe for a second that we don't.
I don't think the ABs have the best players in the world. We're the 2nd or 3rd best at the moment... if you were to make a combined team with the 2015 squad, how many of these guys get in there?
de Groot over Woodcock?
Taylor would be the only other forward and none of the backs are anywhere near it.You don’t know 2015 is considered the best rugby side of all time?
That's my point. People are setting unrealistic expectations of this team. They are good, but not the best in the world.
