Formula 1
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@antipodean said in Formula 1:
@antipodean said in Formula 1:
Outside of rallying, they are all lesser series/ formulas.
I disagree. They are different. Drivers may very well be successful across them, and has been done before, but I'll leave it there.
Agreed they're different. The difference is they're slower and require less talent.
So incorrect that I will comment. Slower does not necessarily require less talent. Being able to maximise what you have to get the best out of the machine you are given is the skill.
It required considerably more talent to rally my Mini many years ago, than it would to do so in my RS4. It was an awful lot slower. Going faster does not require more talent per se, going faster in any given type does. Even then there is tyre management and other considerations that make up a top driver. It isn’t purely reaction time due to speed.
It could be argued that the slower types require more raw talent without all of the flash gear to go fast. Flying a tiger moth requires more talent than a modern trainer, it is a lot slower and a lot more dangerous. Have talent failure and you just crash slower.
None of that in any way implies that F1 is easier than the others! Just as I said, different, and that isn’t purely about speed.
@antipodean said in Formula 1:
@antipodean said in Formula 1:
Outside of rallying, they are all lesser series/ formulas.
I disagree. They are different. Drivers may very well be successful across them, and has been done before, but I'll leave it there.
Agreed they're different. The difference is they're slower and require less talent.
So incorrect that I will comment. Slower does not necessarily require less talent. Being able to maximise what you have to get the best out of the machine you are given is the skill.
It required considerably more talent to rally my Mini many years ago, than it would to do so in my RS4. It was an awful lot slower. Going faster does not require more talent per se, going faster in any given type does. Even then there is tyre management and other considerations that make up a top driver. It isn’t purely reaction time due to speed.
It could be argued that the slower types require more raw talent without all of the flash gear to go fast. Flying a tiger moth requires more talent than a modern trainer, it is a lot slower and a lot more dangerous. Have talent failure and you just crash slower.
None of that in any way implies that F1 is easier than the others! Just as I said, different, and that isn’t purely about speed.
Ignoring the equivocation, false dichotomy, post hoc fallacy we're left with the simple fact the argument that "going faster does not require more talent" is misleading. Going faster increases the demands on reflexes, decision-making, and precision. At higher speeds, the room for error decreases exponentially, meaning that the talent required to manage high-speed performance is not simply about reaction time but also mental processing speed, anticipation, and sustained focus under extreme pressure.
The analogy to riding holds here with the adage "It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow." A slower bike, due to its simplicity, is more forgiving, and the threshold for reaching its performance ceiling is lower, making it easier for riders with less talent to feel they are achieving something substantial. The fast bike requires significantly more skill to reach its true limits. While a less talented rider may never come close to fully unlocking the potential of a fast bike, a more skilled rider can handle the increased complexity, power, and speed, and push the machine far closer to its true capabilities.
Literally anyone who has driven fast knows the complexities of controlling higher speeds, managing traction, braking distances, and making split-second decisions are far greater. Hence why motorsport has talent ceilings and MotoGP and F1 are their respective ceilings.
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@MajorRage said in Formula 1:
@Machpants said in Formula 1:
Six races left, I think, to cement his place. Hope he goes well
Nope. He has a contract for next year. These 5 races are just a move to give him reps early, in preparation for 2025
Where did you get this? Not read this anywhere
Sauce. Could be wrong but it's close. I might have misunderstood though, but I thought he's pretty much locked in to drive next season for one of the RB teams
@MajorRage said in Formula 1:
@Machpants said in Formula 1:
Six races left, I think, to cement his place. Hope he goes well
Nope. He has a contract for next year. These 5 races are just a move to give him reps early, in preparation for 2025
Where did you get this? Not read this anywhere
Sauce. Could be wrong but it's close. I might have misunderstood though, but I thought he's pretty much locked in to drive next season for one of the RB teams
To clarify, nothing is guaranteed, if he does really badly that could be it. But the fight for places at RB and the sister team is wide open, especially if Perez "retires"
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@MajorRage said in Formula 1:
@Machpants said in Formula 1:
Six races left, I think, to cement his place. Hope he goes well
Nope. He has a contract for next year. These 5 races are just a move to give him reps early, in preparation for 2025
Where did you get this? Not read this anywhere
Sauce. Could be wrong but it's close. I might have misunderstood though, but I thought he's pretty much locked in to drive next season for one of the RB teams
To clarify, nothing is guaranteed, if he does really badly that could be it. But the fight for places at RB and the sister team is wide open, especially if Perez "retires"
@MajorRage said in Formula 1:
@Machpants said in Formula 1:
Six races left, I think, to cement his place. Hope he goes well
Nope. He has a contract for next year. These 5 races are just a move to give him reps early, in preparation for 2025
Where did you get this? Not read this anywhere
Sauce. Could be wrong but it's close. I might have misunderstood though, but I thought he's pretty much locked in to drive next season for one of the RB teams
To clarify, nothing is guaranteed, if he does really badly that could be it. But the fight for places at RB and the sister team is wide open, especially if Perez "retires"
That's quite a few words for...50/50
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if its speed your talking about, indy cars have a higher top speed
maybe just under 400 kph (240+ mph)
hamilton said he shit himself when he went for a spin in indy caras for drivers
with a development racing class like F1 the winning drivers seem to be the ones who can make the correct adjustments
one bad tweak and you are back in the pack
you want the driver and engineer to be totally in sinc
i've noticed the relationship between driver and engineer has become closer and closer of the years
engineer usually the first one to get thanked when the driver has a winracing is great now, but a new formula is coming in 2026 i think . . . maybe change everything
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if its speed your talking about, indy cars have a higher top speed
maybe just under 400 kph (240+ mph)
hamilton said he shit himself when he went for a spin in indy caras for drivers
with a development racing class like F1 the winning drivers seem to be the ones who can make the correct adjustments
one bad tweak and you are back in the pack
you want the driver and engineer to be totally in sinc
i've noticed the relationship between driver and engineer has become closer and closer of the years
engineer usually the first one to get thanked when the driver has a winracing is great now, but a new formula is coming in 2026 i think . . . maybe change everything
if its speed your talking about, indy cars have a higher top speed
maybe just under 400 kph (240+ mph)
hamilton said he shit himself when he went for a spin in indy carReally?
Weird that the only thing Hamilton has said about Indycar is that he'd love to give it a go sometime.
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I vaguely remember seeing the comparisons and I'm pretty sure indy was only faster in a straight line, F1 would still get around a track quicker.
I vaguely remember seeing the comparisons and I'm pretty sure indy was only faster in a straight line, F1 would still get around a track quicker.
Yeah, when Indycar are setup for oval they are seriously fast. The track differential though is nuts. If you benchmark f1 to 1:30, Indy Car would do same track in 1:42. That’s ridiculously slow.
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I vaguely remember seeing the comparisons and I'm pretty sure indy was only faster in a straight line, F1 would still get around a track quicker.
Yeah, when Indycar are setup for oval they are seriously fast. The track differential though is nuts. If you benchmark f1 to 1:30, Indy Car would do same track in 1:42. That’s ridiculously slow.
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Interesting...
Marko is very high on Lawson. And in his stint last year he bettered him. Also they won't be driving Honda engines next season so RB probably feel less inclined to keep him for commercial reasons
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Good to see there is so a chance for Liam to step up to the top team
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@Billy-Tell said in Formula 1:
Lawson getting 3rd in Q1 was impressive
Why didn’t he start Q2?
Was it because they already knew he would be 20th with engine penalty?
He inherited Ricciardo's penalty so will start at the back of the grid. I think the team decided Liam had shown enough of his potential and decided to save their tires
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"After struggling a bit on both sides of the garage in the Sprint race the team worked very hard to analyse the data and make a range of set-up changes ahead of qualifying and there are some signs from the limited running that it’s a step in the right direction. The balance of the car is improved and better optimised to the new floor. Yuki put a solid qualifying together but unfortunately just missed out on a place in Q3. Liam delivered a fantastic Q1 with his best lap time being good enough to make Q3 but with his PU penalty meaning he will start from the back, it was decided to use him to help Yuki in Q2 which together with his engineer he managed to achieve very well indeed across the two runs in Q2. We believe we have taken a step forward with the car today in qualifying and tomorrow’s race will enable us to see how well this has translated into race pace in what we expect to be another tight battle in the midfield."
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Apparently he tried to provide slipstream to Yuki in Q2 but didn’t race himself due to penalties.
@Billy-Tell said in Formula 1:
Apparently he tried to provide slipstream to Yuki in Q2 but didn’t race himself due to penalties.
It would’ve been great experience for Lawson to have a full qualification. That’s pretty much all this weekend is about because of where he has to start
It was more about Tsunoda. He was on the cusp of the top ten and taking Lawson out meant there was one less driver for him to beat in Q2.
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If you start at 20 not sure what a good result is? Finish better than 15?
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If you start at 20 not sure what a good result is? Finish better than 15?
