All Blacks XV 2024
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@gt12 Better to discuss in the Chiefs thread but apart from Jacobson, who is 27, the rest of the Chiefs loose forwards are <25 yrs old. Big, mobile loose forwards are gold though.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@gt12 Better to discuss in the Chiefs thread but apart from Jacobson, who is 27, the rest of the Chiefs loose forwards are <25 yrs old. Big, mobile loose forwards are gold though.
I think two of the three have potential for the ABXV (that's my attempt to stay on topic @Duluth).
I wonder where Ah Kuoi fits in? Also a contender for this team?
We aren't bringing back the old man from Taranaki this year @Bovidae ?
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A bolter for the AB XV could be Waikato's Xavier Saifoloi (195cm, 114 kg), a bruising blindside.
My selection :Props : Kaivelata, Numia, Dyer, Renata, Lauaki
Hookers : McAllister, Riccitelli,
Locks : IWL, Holland, McWhannel,
LF : Haig, Saifoloi, Segner, Kirifi, Stodart, Suafoa (I hope Lakai will be with the ABs)
Scrum halves : Fakatava, Christie
1st Fives : Jacomb, Millar
Midfielders : Lam, Telea, Higgins, B. Sullivan
Back three : Tavatavanawai, Naholo, Banks, Z. Sullivan, ENS@cgrant said in All Blacks XV 2024:
A bolter for the AB XV could be Waikato's Xavier Saifoloi (195cm, 114 kg), a bruising blindside.
My selection :Props : Kaivelata, Numia, Dyer, Renata, Lauaki
Hookers : McAllister, Riccitelli,
Locks : IWL, Holland, McWhannel,
LF : Haig, Saifoloi, Segner, Kirifi, Stodart, Suafoa (I hope Lakai will be with the ABs)
Scrum halves : Fakatava, Christie
1st Fives : Jacomb, Millar
Midfielders : Lam, Telea, Higgins, B. Sullivan
Back three : Tavatavanawai, Naholo, Banks, Z. Sullivan, ENSIf Narewa and Love aren’t in AB 36 they’d have to be here.
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@sparky said in All Blacks XV 2024:
I know that All Blacks XV are playing Munster. Do they have any other fixtures?
Harlequins/Northampton/Bath?
@pakman they play Georgia in France
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Off the wall, but I’d like to see TJP and Cane Co-captains of XV.
Can pass on the AB way to the youngsters and injury cover for 36.
For example, at 9 would allow, Ratima, Roigard, Christie, Hotham and TJP all to travel.
Riccitelli and Eklund allows Bell to float between. -
Off the wall, but I’d like to see TJP and Cane Co-captains of XV.
Can pass on the AB way to the youngsters and injury cover for 36.
For example, at 9 would allow, Ratima, Roigard, Christie, Hotham and TJP all to travel.
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@pakman I don’t understand the point of that. A hundred test ex captain in the development team? TJP is past development and hasn’t got better in the past 2-3 years.
It’s the beginning of a RWC cycle. No room for old heads
@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@pakman I don’t understand the point of that. A hundred test ex captain in the development team? TJP is past development and hasn’t got better in the past 2-3 years.
It’s the beginning of a RWC cycle. No room for old heads
Are you getting confused between the ABs and the AB XV?
It's a development team, not the ABs. Makes perfect sense to get old heads to pass on their knowledge and advice to promising players - particularly on a tour.
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@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@pakman I don’t understand the point of that. A hundred test ex captain in the development team? TJP is past development and hasn’t got better in the past 2-3 years.
It’s the beginning of a RWC cycle. No room for old heads
Are you getting confused between the ABs and the AB XV?
It's a development team, not the ABs. Makes perfect sense to get old heads to pass on their knowledge and advice to promising players - particularly on a tour.
@Victor-Meldrew TJP wouldn’t be my choice on mentor for young players. A bit of an idiot
They’ll get that regardless from being in the same room, and I assume training paddock, with the ABs squad.
Maybe an argument for Cane, but again, in what world would they put an ex captain and 100 test AB in a development team. That’s not going to happen
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@Victor-Meldrew TJP wouldn’t be my choice on mentor for young players. A bit of an idiot
They’ll get that regardless from being in the same room, and I assume training paddock, with the ABs squad.
Maybe an argument for Cane, but again, in what world would they put an ex captain and 100 test AB in a development team. That’s not going to happen
@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Victor-Meldrew TJP wouldn’t be my choice on mentor for young players. A bit of an idiot
Which 87+ cap AB halfback would you prefer?
They’ll get that regardless from being in the same room, and I assume training paddock, with the ABs squad.
Better they get match practice with uber-experienced ABs that just being in the same room with them.
Maybe an argument for Cane, but again, in what world would they put an ex captain and 100 test AB in a development team.
A world where there's original thinking, a longer-term view on player development, experienced players are used to mentor upcoming talent and work with coaches on developing that talent?
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They all have ABs in their super teams. If you want to take Sam Cane etc as a mentor, don't take him in a playing role.
@reprobate said in All Blacks XV 2024:
They all have ABs in their super teams. If you want to take Sam Cane etc as a mentor, don't take him in a playing role.
Not all Super Teams have a 100 Test opensides or 87 Test 9's playing with them, though. And playing internationals with a mix of players from SR franchises is very different and a step up from super rugby
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@reprobate said in All Blacks XV 2024:
They all have ABs in their super teams. If you want to take Sam Cane etc as a mentor, don't take him in a playing role.
Not all Super Teams have a 100 Test opensides or 87 Test 9's playing with them, though. And playing internationals with a mix of players from SR franchises is very different and a step up from super rugby
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@reprobate said in All Blacks XV 2024:
They all have ABs in their super teams. If you want to take Sam Cane etc as a mentor, don't take him in a playing role.
Not all Super Teams have a 100 Test opensides or 87 Test 9's playing with them, though. And playing internationals with a mix of players from SR franchises is very different and a step up from super rugby
Very true, but every Super team has decent international experience, and if you look at the names being thrown around for this team, there is a solid amount of international experience in the playing group. Sure nobody of the Cane level, but enough that if you want him there it should be as non-playing mentor.
If it means a Lakai / Hotham / Fakatava misses out it would be a mistake. If they're going to select a Mitch Drummond / Tom Christie then TJ / Cane by comparison would have merit - but I think that whole path would be a mistake. -
@reprobate said in All Blacks XV 2024:
They all have ABs in their super teams. If you want to take Sam Cane etc as a mentor, don't take him in a playing role.
Not all Super Teams have a 100 Test opensides or 87 Test 9's playing with them, though. And playing internationals with a mix of players from SR franchises is very different and a step up from super rugby
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@reprobate said in All Blacks XV 2024:
They all have ABs in their super teams. If you want to take Sam Cane etc as a mentor, don't take him in a playing role.
Not all Super Teams have a 100 Test opensides or 87 Test 9's playing with them, though. And playing internationals with a mix of players from SR franchises is very different and a step up from super rugby
A big part is the attitude and detail in training, both Tj and Cane will be able to lead in that way - for all his errors TJ does the extras in training and Cane should be able to provide the detail and requirements to leaders. They t need to even play unless necessary
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Why would Cane or Perenara want to risk injury heading into a lucrative period in their careers to support a whole lot of up and comers.
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Why would Cane or Perenara want to risk injury heading into a lucrative period in their careers to support a whole lot of up and comers.
@SouthernMann said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Why would Cane or Perenara want to risk injury heading into a lucrative period in their careers to support a whole lot of up and comers.
Leave the jersey better than you found it - exactly what you want to see from your senior leaders, exactly the example to set.
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Pre-season for league 1 starts at the end of October. And the league itself starts just before Xmas (I think).
@gt12 said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Pre-season for league 1 starts at the end of October. And the league itself starts just before Xmas (I think).
Pre-season matches start at the end of October - the pre-season training is well underway for anyone who isn't playing elsewhere.
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Pre-season for league 1 starts at the end of October. And the league itself starts just before Xmas (I think).
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@gt12 said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Pre-season for league 1 starts at the end of October. And the league itself starts just before Xmas (I think).
That seems a real clash. Wonder what is the contractual position?
@pakman said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@gt12 said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Pre-season for league 1 starts at the end of October. And the league itself starts just before Xmas (I think).
That seems a real clash. Wonder what is the contractual position?
Need to be released for International Window but that is only 28th to 17th. However we don't know when Cane or TJ contract actually starts
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@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Victor-Meldrew TJP wouldn’t be my choice on mentor for young players. A bit of an idiot
Which 87+ cap AB halfback would you prefer?
They’ll get that regardless from being in the same room, and I assume training paddock, with the ABs squad.
Better they get match practice with uber-experienced ABs that just being in the same room with them.
Maybe an argument for Cane, but again, in what world would they put an ex captain and 100 test AB in a development team.
A world where there's original thinking, a longer-term view on player development, experienced players are used to mentor upcoming talent and work with coaches on developing that talent?
@Victor-Meldrew that’s not original thinking. Came is a very good 7 but you can’t make an argument for TJ. Has repeatedly shown a lack of leadership and rugby smarts. Wouldn’t want him near any young player
