Taranaki v Waikato (QF)
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@MiketheSnow said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
@Canes4life said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
Shouldn’t be a card
That's a YC all day
Close to RC if he hadn't dipped
Not much of an attempt to wrap IMHO
if he hadnt dipped would have got him in the chest
@ploughboy said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
@MiketheSnow said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
@Canes4life said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
Shouldn’t be a card
That's a YC all day
Close to RC if he hadn't dipped
Not much of an attempt to wrap IMHO
if he hadnt dipped would have got him in the chest
And he didn’t and got his deserved censure
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@ploughboy said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
@MiketheSnow said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
@Canes4life said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
Shouldn’t be a card
That's a YC all day
Close to RC if he hadn't dipped
Not much of an attempt to wrap IMHO
if he hadnt dipped would have got him in the chest
And he didn’t and got his deserved censure
@MiketheSnow said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
@ploughboy said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
@MiketheSnow said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
@Canes4life said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
Shouldn’t be a card
That's a YC all day
Close to RC if he hadn't dipped
Not much of an attempt to wrap IMHO
if he hadnt dipped would have got him in the chest
And he didn’t and got his deserved censure
josh j dipped
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@MiketheSnow said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
@ploughboy said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
@MiketheSnow said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
@Canes4life said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
Shouldn’t be a card
That's a YC all day
Close to RC if he hadn't dipped
Not much of an attempt to wrap IMHO
if he hadnt dipped would have got him in the chest
And he didn’t and got his deserved censure
josh j dipped
@ploughboy said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
@MiketheSnow said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
@ploughboy said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
@MiketheSnow said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
@Canes4life said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
Shouldn’t be a card
That's a YC all day
Close to RC if he hadn't dipped
Not much of an attempt to wrap IMHO
if he hadnt dipped would have got him in the chest
And he didn’t and got his deserved censure
josh j dipped
Exactly
Finau didn’t react to the attacker’s position
His target area was most probably 20cm x 20cm
High reward, high risk
Dropping his right shoulder didn’t help him with either accuracy or reaction time
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That is the worst fucking take Mike with all due respect
Finau's back is parallel with the ground, he's done everything he can. The tackled player at the last second dips in to him. I love that you think he can magically stop time and do something different.
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Well went up to game, had impression Naki boys may of had a bit of shield hangover or something. Very much had impression in first half they were almost going through motions. They seemed to be doing moves etc, but just not looking excited or something as they did? Hard to explain.
Missed Boshier and Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens I thought.
Actually reasonably comfortable with result at end of game, Waikato deserved win and I had said I couldn't see us winning the comp this year.
For Waikato , I can see why AB selectors like Jacobson, stops opposition players, and was good over ball, also puts himself in good positions to make it hard fot oppsition. -
My 2c.
It was a yellow for the indirect head contact. That's the laws.
But in terms of deservedness:
- Finau was crouched low
- Jacomb dipped
- first contact was with the upper arm/shoulder, thus
- head contact was indirect
It was a tough yellow IMO.
@booboo said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
My 2c.
It was a yellow for the indirect head contact. That's the laws.
But in terms of deservedness:
- Finau was crouched low
- Jacomb dipped
- first contact was with the upper arm/shoulder, thus
- head contact was indirect
It was a tough yellow IMO.
Head contact alone isn't enough. The second question is was there foul play
Now I couldn't hear the ref because Marshall was was saying same inane shit over the top of the ref. Personally I think Finau mostly bent at the hips however there was no attempt to wrap.. a trailing arm is not a wrap
Video for those that missed it:
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I didn't have sound at game, and as a Naki supporter I thought it perhaps fair if harsh yellow. And sorry @Toddy even I thought he used his arms, his first contact is with shouder (as all tackles should be) but definitely no cocked arms for a shoulder slam or anything.
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That is the worst fucking take Mike with all due respect
Finau's back is parallel with the ground, he's done everything he can. The tackled player at the last second dips in to him. I love that you think he can magically stop time and do something different.
@mariner4life said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
That is the worst fucking take Mike with all due respect
Finau's back is parallel with the ground, he's done everything he can. The tackled player at the last second dips in to him. I love that you think he can magically stop time and do something different.
Our opinions differ
IMHO the video evidence posted shows it was YC worthy for the reasons outlined
If the target area had been the guts with proper tackling technique we wouldn’t be having this discussion
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It was.
I love how the target area has to be lower than legal or your in the wrong. He's not even coming up like those ones you see that go really wrong.
This was caused by the tackled player but apparently that isn't a thing.
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It was.
I love how the target area has to be lower than legal or your in the wrong. He's not even coming up like those ones you see that go really wrong.
This was caused by the tackled player but apparently that isn't a thing.
@mariner4life said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
It was.
I love how the target area has to be lower than legal or your in the wrong. He's not even coming up like those ones you see that go really wrong.
This was caused by the tackled player but apparently that isn't a thing.
The tackled player dipped 15cm
Fine margins
This time Fin-ow
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Lol 15cm
You and i should stop this. It's clear we view the game so very differently. I reckon we've had the same conversation a dozen times.
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Lol 15cm
You and i should stop this. It's clear we view the game so very differently. I reckon we've had the same conversation a dozen times.
@mariner4life said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
Lol 15cm
You and i should stop this. It's clear we view the game so very differently. I reckon we've had the same conversation a dozen times.
Probably
Players aren't learning
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And you're unrealistic
@mariner4life said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
And you're unrealistic
Possibly
But I'm in agreement with the card flashers
If I was a pro athlete I'd be making significant changes to my game to not fall foul of the current interpretations
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In some cases I would entirely agree with you. Cane in the world cup final was too high (though red was harsh). The guys who started low and launch high? Obsolete.
And for the most part those guys are learning.
This? This is a blindside flanker bent completely at the waist, not driving up, making a hard shot. The tackler knows he's fucked and drops his height/slips, and gets rocked.
The tackler aims low, stays low, what else is he supposed to do? And add in its open field at pace, not one off the ruck at a jog. Both players moving forward. To me this is the very definition of a rugby accident. Which you are going to get no matter how many frivolous cards you hand out. This is a dynamic, fast, continuous game. Sometimes shit is going to happen.
And super slo mo in HD is not real life and should never be used for this kind of ruling
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In some cases I would entirely agree with you. Cane in the world cup final was too high (though red was harsh). The guys who started low and launch high? Obsolete.
And for the most part those guys are learning.
This? This is a blindside flanker bent completely at the waist, not driving up, making a hard shot. The tackler knows he's fucked and drops his height/slips, and gets rocked.
The tackler aims low, stays low, what else is he supposed to do? And add in its open field at pace, not one off the ruck at a jog. Both players moving forward. To me this is the very definition of a rugby accident. Which you are going to get no matter how many frivolous cards you hand out. This is a dynamic, fast, continuous game. Sometimes shit is going to happen.
And super slo mo in HD is not real life and should never be used for this kind of ruling
@mariner4life said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
In some cases I would entirely agree with you. Cane in the world cup final was too high (though red was harsh). The guys who started low and launch high? Obsolete.
And for the most part those guys are learning.
This? This is a blindside flanker bent completely at the waist, not driving up, making a hard shot. The tackler knows he's fucked and drops his height/slips, and gets rocked.
The tackler aims low, stays low, what else is he supposed to do? And add in its open field at pace, not one off the ruck at a jog. Both players moving forward. To me this is the very definition of a rugby accident. Which you are going to get no matter how many frivolous cards you hand out. This is a dynamic, fast, continuous game. Sometimes shit is going to happen.
And super slo mo in HD is not real life and should never be used for this kind of ruling
Agree with a lot of what you're saying, and for this particular example
Make a legitimate tackle with both arms wrapped where the shoulder doesn't come into contact with the attackers neck or head
He didn't
And if that is him bent completely at the waist, then standing up straight he must be close to being Ardie's height
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@mariner4life said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
In some cases I would entirely agree with you. Cane in the world cup final was too high (though red was harsh). The guys who started low and launch high? Obsolete.
And for the most part those guys are learning.
This? This is a blindside flanker bent completely at the waist, not driving up, making a hard shot. The tackler knows he's fucked and drops his height/slips, and gets rocked.
The tackler aims low, stays low, what else is he supposed to do? And add in its open field at pace, not one off the ruck at a jog. Both players moving forward. To me this is the very definition of a rugby accident. Which you are going to get no matter how many frivolous cards you hand out. This is a dynamic, fast, continuous game. Sometimes shit is going to happen.
And super slo mo in HD is not real life and should never be used for this kind of ruling
Agree with a lot of what you're saying, and for this particular example
Make a legitimate tackle with both arms wrapped where the shoulder doesn't come into contact with the attackers neck or head
He didn't
And if that is him bent completely at the waist, then standing up straight he must be close to being Ardie's height
@MiketheSnow said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
@mariner4life said in Taranaki v Waikato (QF):
In some cases I would entirely agree with you. Cane in the world cup final was too high (though red was harsh). The guys who started low and launch high? Obsolete.
And for the most part those guys are learning.
This? This is a blindside flanker bent completely at the waist, not driving up, making a hard shot. The tackler knows he's fucked and drops his height/slips, and gets rocked.
The tackler aims low, stays low, what else is he supposed to do? And add in its open field at pace, not one off the ruck at a jog. Both players moving forward. To me this is the very definition of a rugby accident. Which you are going to get no matter how many frivolous cards you hand out. This is a dynamic, fast, continuous game. Sometimes shit is going to happen.
And super slo mo in HD is not real life and should never be used for this kind of ruling
Agree with a lot of what you're saying, and for this particular example
Make a legitimate tackle with both arms wrapped where the shoulder doesn't come into contact with the attackers neck or head
He didn't
And if that is him bent completely at the waist, then standing up straight he must be close to being Ardie's height
Are you watching only in slow mo? SF is no midget either.
Tackler prepared for a big legitimate hit. How could he anticipate or adjust for the ball carrier dropping into the tackle so late?
Even with the drop the initial contact point was OK, with the head contact incidental.
That sort of tackle happens near the goal line a lot. And it usually escapes a penalty because the player dipping towards the line gives the tackler little chance to adjust.
IMO foul play is all about intent and recklessness.
Now people are calling for a ban from that tackle on social media... Slow mo analysis does rugby no favours
