Black Caps tour of India
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@frugby said in Black Caps tour of India:
Find it intriguing that this is even a real debate... Southee and Santner ineffective, IMO the bowlers pick themselves. Patel should bat 8 simply because he has the best defence, and is more likely to hang around with a proper batter. Henry to follow with the ability to swing for the fences.
Not sure I'd go with that - even though I see what you're getting at.
I don't mind if Ajaz runs out of partners batting at 9, because he's not going to hurt the opposition too much - but, I don't want Matt to.
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@bayimports said in Black Caps tour of India:
Seriously the worst bowling strike rate in Asia since 2010 and its not like it is based off one over. For me this is administration who are looking for an allrounder rather than an extra specialist. Time to bite the bullet and pick one
It’s also not like Santners batting is consistently compelling like Phillips who you suspect is close to a big hundred sooner rather than later.
Also his part time bowling is much better than Santners full time efforts
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@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@bayimports said in Black Caps tour of India:
Seriously the worst bowling strike rate in Asia since 2010 and its not like it is based off one over. For me this is administration who are looking for an allrounder rather than an extra specialist. Time to bite the bullet and pick one
It’s also not like Santners batting is consistently compelling like Phillips who you suspect is close to a big hundred sooner rather than later.
Also his part time bowling is much better than Santners full time efforts
If you went on Phillips' current average he'd probably be our best ever spinner. But, I suspect he's had a bit more luck than Satnav - and many others. Wouldn't want either of them bowling for my life.
But Phillips is a right arm offspinner - Santner is left arm orthodox and we have Ajaz and Rachin who also bowl that, so it's hard to see the point in a third guy (though he's doubtless better than Rachin).
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@Chris-B said in Black Caps tour of India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@bayimports said in Black Caps tour of India:
Seriously the worst bowling strike rate in Asia since 2010 and its not like it is based off one over. For me this is administration who are looking for an allrounder rather than an extra specialist. Time to bite the bullet and pick one
It’s also not like Santners batting is consistently compelling like Phillips who you suspect is close to a big hundred sooner rather than later.
Also his part time bowling is much better than Santners full time efforts
If you went on Phillips' current average he'd probably be our best ever spinner. But, I suspect he's had a bit more luck than Satnav - and many others. Wouldn't want either of them bowling for my life.
But Phillips is a right arm offspinner - Santner is left arm orthodox and we have Ajaz and Rachin who also bowl that, so it's hard to see the point in a third guy (though he's doubtless better than Rachin).
Always good to have the right arm off spinner to offer some variation from the other 2, though it is much easier to play Phillips for the right handlers than the ball spinning away which is much harder to play.
Problem is the spinners we have do not turn it a long way not much revs on the ball they are inclined to lose their line and length far to regularly to be a major threat. -
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@Chris-B said in Black Caps tour of India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@bayimports said in Black Caps tour of India:
Seriously the worst bowling strike rate in Asia since 2010 and its not like it is based off one over. For me this is administration who are looking for an allrounder rather than an extra specialist. Time to bite the bullet and pick one
It’s also not like Santners batting is consistently compelling like Phillips who you suspect is close to a big hundred sooner rather than later.
Also his part time bowling is much better than Santners full time efforts
If you went on Phillips' current average he'd probably be our best ever spinner. But, I suspect he's had a bit more luck than Satnav - and many others. Wouldn't want either of them bowling for my life.
But Phillips is a right arm offspinner - Santner is left arm orthodox and we have Ajaz and Rachin who also bowl that, so it's hard to see the point in a third guy (though he's doubtless better than Rachin).
Oh for sure, Phillips is a confidence player but he’s still a batsman first.
Anyway, good news for Southee…..
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@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris-B said in Black Caps tour of India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@bayimports said in Black Caps tour of India:
Seriously the worst bowling strike rate in Asia since 2010 and its not like it is based off one over. For me this is administration who are looking for an allrounder rather than an extra specialist. Time to bite the bullet and pick one
It’s also not like Santners batting is consistently compelling like Phillips who you suspect is close to a big hundred sooner rather than later.
Also his part time bowling is much better than Santners full time efforts
If you went on Phillips' current average he'd probably be our best ever spinner. But, I suspect he's had a bit more luck than Satnav - and many others. Wouldn't want either of them bowling for my life.
But Phillips is a right arm offspinner - Santner is left arm orthodox and we have Ajaz and Rachin who also bowl that, so it's hard to see the point in a third guy (though he's doubtless better than Rachin).
FFS!
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@Chris-B said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris Yeah- I'd pick Ajaz and Phillips - and then we've got guys who can take it both ways - challenge left handers and right handers.
And then I'd ask, what does Santner add?
Yep then you can play the 3 quicks for variation ,although with Sears now injured one seamer is not going to add fuck all.
Southee will just bowl slow meds up and down and will be batting practice.
Sears would have added some pace along with the bounce of O’Rourke and Henry who is quick enough with what he can add with line and length. -
@Chris-B said in Black Caps tour of India:
@frugby said in Black Caps tour of India:
Find it intriguing that this is even a real debate... Southee and Santner ineffective, IMO the bowlers pick themselves. Patel should bat 8 simply because he has the best defence, and is more likely to hang around with a proper batter. Henry to follow with the ability to swing for the fences.
Not sure I'd go with that - even though I see what you're getting at.
I don't mind if Ajaz runs out of partners batting at 9, because he's not going to hurt the opposition too much - but, I don't want Matt to.
I'd reverse that. I don't want Blundell/Phillips to run out of partners, and Henry is wasted coming out and defending.
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@frugby said in Black Caps tour of India:
I wonder if it is worth risking it and going with Chapman as an extra batter at 8?
Negative? Could argue it is an aggressive option based on the fact there is rain forecast throughout.
A specialist number 8 batsman. What a shit way to start a career
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I'm prepared fora humiliating defeat, possibly being saved by rain.
What has happened to the black caps over the last couple years, really gone downhill from our recent lofty heights.
Because of Boult, Taylor retired and Williamson always injured and out of form? -
@Darren said in Black Caps tour of India:
I'm prepared fora humiliating defeat, possibly being saved by rain.
What has happened to the black caps over the last couple years, really gone downhill from our recent lofty heights.
Because of Boult, Taylor retired and Williamson always injured and out of form?This could get ugly.
We have fallen off a cliff because our golden generation has retired or are near retirement, and we haven't been able to replace them with younger players of promise. In fact Stead has barely introduced any young players, preferring short term fixes like Santner and Bracewell who are simply not fit for purpose
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@Darren said in Black Caps tour of India:
I'm prepared fora humiliating defeat, possibly being saved by rain.
What has happened to the black caps over the last couple years, really gone downhill from our recent lofty heights.
Because of Boult, Taylor retired and Williamson always injured and out of form?..and a coach that has been in the job too long, lacking innovation to keep us at the top when some of those players retired. We still have the talent, but we are under performing.
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@nzzp said in Black Caps tour of India:
Betfair has India at $4.70, us at $25 and a draw at $1.35
Anyone know why? Is the pitch a road or is rain forecast? In any case a draw would be maaaasive for us
Assuming it gets dry enough in between and we get any days play, rain predicted most days for next 10
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@No-Quarter said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Darren said in Black Caps tour of India:
I'm prepared fora humiliating defeat, possibly being saved by rain.
What has happened to the black caps over the last couple years, really gone downhill from our recent lofty heights.
Because of Boult, Taylor retired and Williamson always injured and out of form?..and a coach that has been in the job too long, lacking innovation to keep us at the top when some of those players retired. We still have the talent, but we are under performing.
I don’t know about that. A lot of guys are dropping in form and perhaps finding out where their level really is
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@canefan said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Darren said in Black Caps tour of India:
I'm prepared fora humiliating defeat, possibly being saved by rain.
What has happened to the black caps over the last couple years, really gone downhill from our recent lofty heights.
Because of Boult, Taylor retired and Williamson always injured and out of form?This could get ugly.
We have fallen off a cliff because our golden generation has retired or are near retirement, and we haven't been able to replace them with younger players of promise. In fact Stead has barely introduced any young players, preferring short term fixes like Santner and Bracewell who are simply not fit for purpose
This is 100% right. The team of just a few short years back was generational. I’m not surprised the replacements aren’t up to it.
Very similar to the early 90s when Paddles and others called it a day
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the biggest fall off has been...
for as long as i have been a NZ cricket supporter (and that is a looong time now) nearly every time we find a great bowler, they get injured almost immediately, and stay injured, meaning the promise never gets delivered on. Imagine if we got 60+ tests out of Shane Bond?)
Then comes Trent Boult, Tim Southee, and Wags. A trio of ever presents, who are all high quality, and all who compliment each other.They are all gone now, and guess what? Every tie a bowler looks half decent, they are out hurt.
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@mariner4life said in Black Caps tour of India:
Every tie a bowler looks half decent, they are out hurt.
nah, Kylo is fine. Oh, wait
Anyway, we've got WOR. Oh, wait.
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