World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game
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@mariner4life that plus they've allowed teams to take the piss with "injury" stoppages, and the current rules allow teams to replace their entire forward pack at half time, leading to a slower game, allowing bigger and bigger players to thrive, leading to the contact between players becoming more and more serious. Honestly watching footage from the 90s and 00s is like watching touch rugby compared to what we have today. That's your main cause of brain injuries, not the odd high tackle.
Honestly, if they just sped the game up again a lot of this would go away, but that would of course suit teams like the ABs and Wallabies so is unlikely to ever happen, so they'll just continue dishing out cards and ruining games instead.
@No-Quarter said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
but that would of course suit teams like the ABs and Wallabies so is unlikely to ever happen
god, why do we have to keep making changes just to suit Australia and New Zealand? The game is perfect here, thriving, and no one ever gets hurt, and clubs never go bust. You just can't handle you don't dominate any more.
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I've got mixed feelings about the 20 minutes red card.
I can see both sides, in that tackle height simply must be lower & it is working as a deterrent. However, we lost our Captain in a world cup final due to a 50/50 (in my eyes) whilst in the same game, the officials completely missed Etzebeth doing something which warrants the same punishment.
Calls will always go either way but a red card is a game changer & thus if it's not policed accurately, then officials will have a larger bearing on an outcome than they should. Thats the problem in my eyes, which a 20 minute break somewhat alleviates.
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@mariner4life that plus they've allowed teams to take the piss with "injury" stoppages, and the current rules allow teams to replace their entire forward pack at half time, leading to a slower game, allowing bigger and bigger players to thrive, leading to the contact between players becoming more and more serious. Honestly watching footage from the 90s and 00s is like watching touch rugby compared to what we have today. That's your main cause of brain injuries, not the odd high tackle.
Honestly, if they just sped the game up again a lot of this would go away, but that would of course suit teams like the ABs and Wallabies so is unlikely to ever happen, so they'll just continue dishing out cards and ruining games instead.
agree 100 %
if the game is sped up there will be a lot of larger players out of a job
but a lot of smaller players with a jobthat happened in rugby league when they reduced the bench to 4 players with 8 interchanges max per game (they almost went to 6 interchanges max . . . should have)
the intention was to get more smaller players into the game
a few of the larger players just couldn't handle the pace and were soon gone
never heard any thoughts of doing anything like that in rugby unionif rugby doesn't change it'll remain a niche sport in western europe with a few small outposts in the rest of the world
in a place like australia it'll be done (maybe already is)the days of the ABs running onto the field . . . throwin the ball around . . . runnin the other team off their feet . . . and gettin the dub . . . ARE GONE . . . for now
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The French Rugby Federation have expressed their firm opposition to 20-minute Red Cards:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cvgxdgd1yyeo
we need more detail on those FFR stats
like when the red card was issued . . . i.e. was the red issued in the first five minutes or last five minutes
or what the score was . . . i.e. was the team red carded in front or behind on the scoreboard
i would say if you get red carded in the first five minutes, you'd lose, game over
if you are behind on the scoreboard when carded . . . game over
in those games it'd be closer to 100%, and that is probably the 60% they state
in the other 40%, the game was probably already decided by the time of the red card
so 288 top class games were decided by red cards . . thats a lot!
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So refs in the Autumn Internationals can issue a 20-minutes Red Cards if they want to or traditional Red Card too.
I suspect French or Irish referees won't be issuing any 20-minute red cards.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cqxrneew3v1o
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So refs in the Autumn Internationals can issue a 20-minutes Red Cards if they want to or traditional Red Card too.
I suspect French or Irish referees won't be issuing any 20-minute red cards.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cqxrneew3v1o
@sparky said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
So refs in the Autumn Internationals can issue a 20-minutes Red Cards if they want to or traditional Red Card too.
I suspect French or Irish referees won't be issuing any 20-minute red cards.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cqxrneew3v1o
Surely that just gives people reason to cry foul when one team gets a 20 minute red card and another doesn't. It's giving rugby officiating another opportunity to be inconsistent.
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@sparky said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
So refs in the Autumn Internationals can issue a 20-minutes Red Cards if they want to or traditional Red Card too.
I suspect French or Irish referees won't be issuing any 20-minute red cards.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cqxrneew3v1o
Surely that just gives people reason to cry foul when one team gets a 20 minute red card and another doesn't. It's giving rugby officiating another opportunity to be inconsistent.
@Crazy-Horse said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@sparky said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
So refs in the Autumn Internationals can issue a 20-minutes Red Cards if they want to or traditional Red Card too.
I suspect French or Irish referees won't be issuing any 20-minute red cards.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cqxrneew3v1o
Surely that just gives people reason to cry foul when one team gets a 20 minute red card and another doesn't. It's giving rugby officiating another opportunity to be inconsistent.
Amateur hour and typical lack of leadership from WR.
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@sparky said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
So refs in the Autumn Internationals can issue a 20-minutes Red Cards if they want to or traditional Red Card too.
I suspect French or Irish referees won't be issuing any 20-minute red cards.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cqxrneew3v1o
Surely that just gives people reason to cry foul when one team gets a 20 minute red card and another doesn't. It's giving rugby officiating another opportunity to be inconsistent.
@Crazy-Horse said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@sparky said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
So refs in the Autumn Internationals can issue a 20-minutes Red Cards if they want to or traditional Red Card too.
I suspect French or Irish referees won't be issuing any 20-minute red cards.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cqxrneew3v1o
Surely that just gives people reason to cry foul when one team gets a 20 minute red card and another doesn't. It's giving rugby officiating another opportunity to be inconsistent.
Isn’t that what we have in SR currently? For instance Lomani got a full red playing for the Drua earlier this year
The same standard too - deliberate and dangerous
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@Crazy-Horse said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@sparky said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
So refs in the Autumn Internationals can issue a 20-minutes Red Cards if they want to or traditional Red Card too.
I suspect French or Irish referees won't be issuing any 20-minute red cards.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cqxrneew3v1o
Surely that just gives people reason to cry foul when one team gets a 20 minute red card and another doesn't. It's giving rugby officiating another opportunity to be inconsistent.
Isn’t that what we have in SR currently? For instance Lomani got a full red playing for the Drua earlier this year
The same standard too - deliberate and dangerous
@Duluth said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@Crazy-Horse said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@sparky said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
So refs in the Autumn Internationals can issue a 20-minutes Red Cards if they want to or traditional Red Card too.
I suspect French or Irish referees won't be issuing any 20-minute red cards.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cqxrneew3v1o
Surely that just gives people reason to cry foul when one team gets a 20 minute red card and another doesn't. It's giving rugby officiating another opportunity to be inconsistent.
Isn’t that what we have in SR currently? For instance Lomani got a full red playing for the Drua earlier this year
The same standard too - deliberate and dangerous
Didn't realise that about super rugby reds.
We all probably have an image in our minds about what constitutes deliberate and dangerous, but the problem is we all obviously see things differently. One set of officials and/or fans see something one way and another set sees things another. Also, deliberate/intent is very difficult to prove. Only one person really knows if something is deliberate or not.
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@Duluth said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@Crazy-Horse said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@sparky said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
So refs in the Autumn Internationals can issue a 20-minutes Red Cards if they want to or traditional Red Card too.
I suspect French or Irish referees won't be issuing any 20-minute red cards.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cqxrneew3v1o
Surely that just gives people reason to cry foul when one team gets a 20 minute red card and another doesn't. It's giving rugby officiating another opportunity to be inconsistent.
Isn’t that what we have in SR currently? For instance Lomani got a full red playing for the Drua earlier this year
The same standard too - deliberate and dangerous
Didn't realise that about super rugby reds.
We all probably have an image in our minds about what constitutes deliberate and dangerous, but the problem is we all obviously see things differently. One set of officials and/or fans see something one way and another set sees things another. Also, deliberate/intent is very difficult to prove. Only one person really knows if something is deliberate or not.
Elbow to the head. Kicking in the head. Eye gouge. Penis twists etc
Things that would’ve been reds in the last century
So the ref can call those immediately on the field. It’s worked well so far.. I think it’s been used twice (both in the same match haha)
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Elbow to the head. Kicking in the head. Eye gouge. Penis twists etc
Things that would’ve been reds in the last century
So the ref can call those immediately on the field. It’s worked well so far.. I think it’s been used twice (both in the same match haha)
@Duluth said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
Elbow to the head. Kicking in the head. Eye gouge. Penis twists etc
Things that would’ve been reds in the last century
So the ref can call those immediately on the field. It’s worked well so far.. I think it’s been used twice (both in the same match haha)
Those examples are pretty good and probably what most people would envisage. I suppose what they are proposing is akin to the 'Orange card' suggested on here a few times.
Let's hope it's officiated that way and politics doesn't come into it.
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@Duluth said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
Elbow to the head. Kicking in the head. Eye gouge. Penis twists etc
Things that would’ve been reds in the last century
So the ref can call those immediately on the field. It’s worked well so far.. I think it’s been used twice (both in the same match haha)
Those examples are pretty good and probably what most people would envisage. I suppose what they are proposing is akin to the 'Orange card' suggested on here a few times.
Let's hope it's officiated that way and politics doesn't come into it.
@Crazy-Horse said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
I suppose what they are proposing
I think the article was written poorly. They aren’t changing anything. They are trialling the current SR system
They are against an additional change:
The possibility of the 20-minute version becoming the only red card available to referees is to be discussed at a World Rugby meeting on 14 November -
They can't just have a different colour for the 20 minute cards?
@No-Quarter said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
They can't just have a different colour for the 20 minute cards?
This.
Orange would make sense.
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@No-Quarter said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
They can't just have a different colour for the 20 minute cards?
This.
Orange would make sense.
@booboo said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@No-Quarter said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
They can't just have a different colour for the 20 minute cards?
This.
Orange would make sense.
ah that could be why large tracts of Ireland are resisting it...
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Yeah Nige, red means red
Unless it gets rescinded 2 days later
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Can we call the 20 minute card an Orange and if the Welsh still object then call it a Welsh red card ..
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Can we call the 20 minute card an Orange and if the Welsh still object then call it a Welsh red card ..
@nostrildamus said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
Can we call the 20 minute card an Orange and if the Welsh still object then call it a Welsh red card ..
We’ll have more cards than Hallmark soon if we’re not careful
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@nostrildamus said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
Can we call the 20 minute card an Orange and if the Welsh still object then call it a Welsh red card ..
We’ll have more cards than Hallmark soon if we’re not careful
@MiketheSnow well it seems some fans love cards, so why not.
While WR are at it, if they see fit to card someone for an accidental head contact, there should be a mandatory HIA on the player that got this head contact (actually, some instances both players should have an HIA) that seems to rarely happen, sometimes can take many minutes before someone thinks to take them off for an HIA.
