All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Right wing is still an issue. Telea is continually exposed on defence, and I can see England isolating him again.
Yeah I'm usually Telea's number 1 fan but he's almost become 2024's version of Nehe Milner Skudder overnight. He looks slower and isn't having the same impact in close quarters like he was last season.
I feel like this could be his last campaign with the ABs.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Right wing is still an issue. Telea is continually exposed on defence, and I can see England isolating him again.
Yeah I'm usually Telea's number 1 fan but he's almost become 2024's version of Nehe Milner Skudder overnight. He looks slower and isn't having the same impact in close quarters like he was last season.
I feel like this could be his last campaign with the ABs.
Tele'a ran 80 metres, scored a try, had two try assists, two line breaks, and 9 defenders beaten. You don't think that was an impact? What else were you expecting him to do? I think most test wingers would be stoked with those stats.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Right wing is still an issue. Telea is continually exposed on defence, and I can see England isolating him again.
Yeah I'm usually Telea's number 1 fan but he's almost become 2024's version of Nehe Milner Skudder overnight. He looks slower and isn't having the same impact in close quarters like he was last season.
I feel like this could be his last campaign with the ABs.
Tele'a ran 80 metres, scored a try, had two try assists, two line breaks, and 9 defenders beaten. You don't think that was an impact? What else were you expecting him to do? I think most test wingers would be stoked with those stats.
@brodean said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Right wing is still an issue. Telea is continually exposed on defence, and I can see England isolating him again.
Yeah I'm usually Telea's number 1 fan but he's almost become 2024's version of Nehe Milner Skudder overnight. He looks slower and isn't having the same impact in close quarters like he was last season.
I feel like this could be his last campaign with the ABs.
Tele'a ran 80 metres, scored a try, had two try assists, two line breaks, and 9 defenders beaten. You don't think that was an impact? What else were you expecting him to do? I think most test wingers would be stoked with those stats.
Most players did out there, I think @KiwiMurph pointed out and rightly too, that if Caleb Clarke had the space out there that Tele'a and Reece had, I dread to think how badly things would have turned out for Japan. This Japanese side couldn't tackle. He got gassed out there on defence on a few occasions too.
As I said, I'm a huge Tele'a fan and he's done some great things for the Blues and ABs, but right now, I can't make a case for him. I hope he finds his best again.
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@brodean said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Right wing is still an issue. Telea is continually exposed on defence, and I can see England isolating him again.
Yeah I'm usually Telea's number 1 fan but he's almost become 2024's version of Nehe Milner Skudder overnight. He looks slower and isn't having the same impact in close quarters like he was last season.
I feel like this could be his last campaign with the ABs.
Tele'a ran 80 metres, scored a try, had two try assists, two line breaks, and 9 defenders beaten. You don't think that was an impact? What else were you expecting him to do? I think most test wingers would be stoked with those stats.
Most players did out there, I think @KiwiMurph pointed out and rightly too, that if Caleb Clarke had the space out there that Tele'a and Reece had, I dread to think how badly things would have turned out for Japan. This Japanese side couldn't tackle. He got gassed out there on defence on a few occasions too.
As I said, I'm a huge Tele'a fan and he's done some great things for the Blues and ABs, but right now, I can't make a case for him. I hope he finds his best again.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@brodean said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Right wing is still an issue. Telea is continually exposed on defence, and I can see England isolating him again.
Yeah I'm usually Telea's number 1 fan but he's almost become 2024's version of Nehe Milner Skudder overnight. He looks slower and isn't having the same impact in close quarters like he was last season.
I feel like this could be his last campaign with the ABs.
Tele'a ran 80 metres, scored a try, had two try assists, two line breaks, and 9 defenders beaten. You don't think that was an impact? What else were you expecting him to do? I think most test wingers would be stoked with those stats.
Most players did out there, I think @KiwiMurph pointed out and rightly too, that if Caleb Clarke had the space out there that Tele'a and Reece had, I dread to think how badly things would have turned out for Japan. This Japanese side couldn't tackle. He got gassed out there on defence on a few occasions too.
As I said, I'm a huge Tele'a fan and he's done some great things for the Blues and ABs, but right now, I can't make a case for him. I hope he finds his best again.
I'm not expecting Tele'a to fix his defense. His defensive issues haven't changed for years.
Look Caleb Clarke is clearly the best winger we have based on his form and speed this year. His speed improved but I don't expect to see Reece or Tele'a ever getting that kind of speed in their game.
There aren't too many lightening quick wingers floating around NZ at the moment.
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I'd be giving Roigard another run at 9 to be honest with Ratima to come off the bench. Roigard needs the minutes.
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Based on what I saw I'd have Roigard on the bench with Ratima starting. Roigard isn't back to his best form yet and there were some defensive issues around the ruck.
@brodean said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Based on what I saw I'd have Roigard on the bench with Ratima starting. Roigard isn't back to his best form yet and there were some defensive issues around the ruck.
It's a good problem to have!
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@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
So a guess at the team:
1 De Groot
2 Taylor
3 Lomax
4 S. Barrett (c)
5. Vaii
6. Sititi
7. God knows. Cane?
8. Savea
9. Ratima
10. Beauden Barrett
11. Caleb Clarke
12. Jordie Barrett
13. Reiko Ioane
14 Mark Telea
15. Will JordanNo bench?
@booboo I wasn't going to think about the bench until the injury situation became a bit clearer and we knew who was travelling to Europe.
But I guess the bench Vs England will be something like this:
Aumua, Williams, Tosi, Tuipolutu, Finau, Roigard, DMac, ALB.
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Ollie Chesham is a doubt for England:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/c20nnw2xdqzo
He’s a loss for us. We only have three good locks, him Itoje and Martin, any others are a real step down. Plus he offers good cover at 6, which gives us more flexibility on the bench. We’re struggling at prop too, with Borthwick seemingly reluctant to give many youngsters a go. Cole and Marler don’t have too many miles left in them.
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I honestly don't believe the best use of Finau is off the bench.
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He’s a loss for us. We only have three good locks, him Itoje and Martin, any others are a real step down. Plus he offers good cover at 6, which gives us more flexibility on the bench. We’re struggling at prop too, with Borthwick seemingly reluctant to give many youngsters a go. Cole and Marler don’t have too many miles left in them.
Itoje didn't play for Saracens yesterday. Is he fit to play on Saturday?
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Itoje didn't play for Saracens yesterday. Is he fit to play on Saturday?
@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Itoje didn't play for Saracens yesterday. Is he fit to play on Saturday?
Elliot Daly (Edit: Henry Slade, not Daly!) is the only player from the squad who was released to play (because he's returning from injury).
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I'd be tempted to go Finau, Savea, Sititi and then Cane off the bench, but I'd be surprised if Robertson is that bold.
@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
I'd be tempted to go Finau, Savea, Sititi and then Cane off the bench, but I'd be surprised if Robertson is that bold.
Does Cane offer much off the bench?
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@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
I'd be tempted to go Finau, Savea, Sititi and then Cane off the bench, but I'd be surprised if Robertson is that bold.
Does Cane offer much off the bench?
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@nostrildamus Experience.
I like Lakai but does he offer that much off the bench?
@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@nostrildamus Experience.
I like Lakai but does he offer that much off the bench?
Faster than Cane. Cane also doesn't seem to bend /react from the waist down, as he showed again yesterday.
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If it was me I would be starting
Finau
Cane
Sititi
And Savea off the bench.Funau, if he plays like yesterday, puts actual starch in our defence, and he improves our lineout. I would understand if he doesn't get picked though, he's not quick to his feet after smashing dudes, and test selectors hate that.
Sititi and Savea are very similar, I just think young Wallace has more form.
Cane is suited to playing up north.I expect we'll see Sititi, Cane and savea though.
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If it was me I would be starting
Finau
Cane
Sititi
And Savea off the bench.Funau, if he plays like yesterday, puts actual starch in our defence, and he improves our lineout. I would understand if he doesn't get picked though, he's not quick to his feet after smashing dudes, and test selectors hate that.
Sititi and Savea are very similar, I just think young Wallace has more form.
Cane is suited to playing up north.I expect we'll see Sititi, Cane and savea though.
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So badly wants Finau to be good.......................@Frank said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
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So badly wants Finau to be good.......................In all honesty so do I
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Itoje didn't play for Saracens yesterday. Is he fit to play on Saturday?
@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Itoje didn't play for Saracens yesterday. Is he fit to play on Saturday?
He’s fine and is in camp.
