Wallabies v Pumas, Perth

[rotated]

@NTA said in Wallabies v Pumas, Perth:

@rotated said in Wallabies v Pumas, Perth:

I can only hope there are some 10 options that grew up watching Carter or Steyn rather than the dross the Wallabies have been turning out the past 10 years.

@rotated said in Wallabies v Pumas, Perth:

Steyn and Carter are mentioned simply because they only 10s in the past 10 years in the 3N/TRC who were remotely world class.

So, in effect, while you're busy frothing up, you're saying an Aussie kid should either aspire to be World Class by:

1. Watching Dan Carter and just be that good.

2. Watch Morne Steyn kick the fuck out of everything, relying on a dominant set piece, and barely ever pass it. You know: just occupy the jumper because the game plan is 10-man rugby and wins a World Cup. Seek to be just better than the other options enough to win Test rugby. Then wait until 5 minutes after every game for rotated to come on here and say something like "boring fucking Aussies might have won, but that flyhalf of theirs is no Dan Carter!"

Gotcha.

Don't know who you are confusing me with but I have zero issue with 10 man rugby. I like winning rugby of all styles. Ultimately constructive rugby played well is going to win the day. Rugby is an excellent game because there are a variety of styles and the game will go through phases where different elements are more effective than others. I guess if you had to sum up the style of play I like it is 'smart rugby. So that probably explains why I have had little time for Cooper in the past.

But in answer to your question I would sooner have my kid trying to emulate Rahul Dravid than Martin Guptill (and yes the gap between Cooper and Steyn is that big). So yeah, I'd rather my kid be two-dimensional but effective, than staggeringly ignorant and a flat track bully.

As for the "poor Aussies" thing - don't put words in my mouth. That was a reference to the fact that none of our options have looked decent in recent times because our forwards have been pretty limp.

Never stopped you firing off at Aussies or Australia in general though.

No shots fired. I'm trying to help - move past both these options and stop going back to the well of inadequacy. The only one running down Aussie is you saying their forwards have been dominated at the breakdown and Genia/Phibbs given him slow ball.

[Stargazer]

@NTA said in Wallabies v Pumas, Perth:

Wallabies named:

1. Scott Sio (21 Tests)
2. Stephen Moore (c) (108 Tests)
3. Sekope Kepu (69 Tests)
4. Rob Simmons (63 Tests)
5. Adam Coleman (3 Tests)
6. Dean Mumm (49 Tests)
7. Michael Hooper (57 Tests)
8. David Pocock (59 Tests)
9. Will Genia (69 Tests)
10. Quade Cooper (60 Tests)
11. Reece Hodge (2 Tests)
12. Bernard Foley (33 Tests)
13. Samu Kerevi (4 Tests)
14. Dane Haylett-Petty (6 Tests)
15. Israel Folau (44 Tests)
    RESERVES

(one to be omitted)
Tatafu Polota-Nau (67 Tests)
James Slipper (80 Tests)
Tom Robertson*
Rory Arnold (3 Tests)
Lopeti Timani*
Sean McMahon (10 Tests)
Nick Phipps (44 Tests)
Tevita Kuridrani (37 Tests)
Henry Speight (5 Tests)

Douglas out. Simmons in.

Henry Speight is the player who has been omitted from the Aussie bench.

Speight’s omission means there is no specialist winger in the Wallabies’ matchday 23.

http://www.rugby.com.au/news/2016/09/16/02/41/wallabies-argentina-perth-bench

[NTA]

So they're expecting more grunt up front. Which is weird because the Argies aren't too shabby out wide either.

Of course, they've picked a lot of backrow-sized chaps too

[cgrant]

@Unco said in Wallabies v Pumas, Perth:

@cgrant said in Wallabies v Pumas, Perth:

Only one specialist lock in the Pumas lineup. This could cost them dearly.

Against the Wobblies lineout?

I'll answer after the game.

[pakman]

I think Nick's point is made by the fact Squire is used as back up for locks against Oz, whereas Romano is deemed necessary against Boks/Argies.

Quade is a deeply flawed player and not one I'd want to have to select as first choice, but he is skilled, and not just for the Reds. Quite a few of his tricks showcased for OZ in 2013:

Key take home is that Cooper can be an international 10, whereas Foley is a carthorse by comparison.

Will be watching with interest.

[mariner4life]

Holy fuck did they just say this will be Rob Simmons' 64th test? If ever there was a damning indictment of the state of Australian rugby it's that. 63 shit games and he's still in the team.

[Kruse]

That video of Quaaade's highlight's in canary-yellow 2013...
7 kicks from the tee
1 try (against Ireland, FFS)
1 falling over
1 decent backhand pass which actually led to a try
1 dropkick
1 decent wide pass
1 kick to corner

[Rancid Schnitzel]

They flashed up a comparison of Pocock vs Isa.

Runs: 42 v 21 Isa
Run metres: 248 v 48 Isa
Tackle Busts: 12 v 1 Isa
Tackles: 23 v 20 Pocock
Pilfers: 6 v 2 Pocock
Passes thrown over the sideline: 2 vs 0 Pocock.

[NTA]

That was the best ATSI welcome I've seen yet

[Stargazer]

Vamos los Pumas!!

[Unite]

No way the Pumas are winning this one.

[Stargazer]

Geez, missed the first minute of the game and it's already 7-0 to the Aussies. 6 minutes later, they go over for a second.

[NTA]

Jeez. Bloody nice set piece move.

[KiwiMurph]

For whatever reason the Argies really struggle defending the Wallabies.

[African Monkey]

@KiwiMurph They sure do.

[Stargazer]

Great try from Genia.

[Unite]

Game over

[Stargazer]

If this continues, it will be a monster score.

[Tordah]

the Argies can go eat a dick, I'd rather watch some heads explode like watermelons on Liveleak than that shit

[Stargazer]

They showed the pack weights earlier. Aussies considerably heavier than the Argies, but hardly any difference between both frontrows.