Aussie Pro Rugby
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I actually feel sorry for the ARU, they are in a lose lose situation.
Folau must be the stupidest fuck out there.
How hard is it to not understand when your paid by someone they are allowed to have expectations of how you behave.
If the CEO of Spark or Fontera etc posted that shit he or she would be gone.As said above hour free to say what you want but your free to face consequences as well.
@Virgil said in Aussie Rugby in general:
I actually feel sorry for the ARU, they are in a lose lose situation.
Folau must be the stupidest fuck out there.
How hard is it to not understand when your paid by someone they are allowed to have expectations of how you behave.
If the CEO of Spark or Fontera etc posted that shit he or she would be gone.As said above hour free to say what you want but your free to face consequences as well.
Was driving home earlier and listening to ZB, a few old timers rung and said they felt that Folau was being vilified for his views. I munched my imaginary popcorn while listening and Marcus Lush quite rightly pointed out that it's not some out of touch preacher spinning shit on a Sunday, it's a "role model" who has untold impressionable fans/youths who look up to him.
But yeah, sad thing is he'll fuck off and earn millions in some french club for the next few years.
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I don't get this role model argument. Why are people taking moral guidance from an athlete?
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I don't get this role model argument. Why are people taking moral guidance from an athlete?
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
I don't get this role model argument. Why are people taking moral guidance from an athlete?
Yeah I hate that argument, they aren’t role models. A better way to say it is they are very influential due to their fame.
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Part of me is a little uneasy a guy lost his job for a social media post
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I see people are wondering if he did this on purpose to get out of his contract. Interesting timing now that he’s the top try scorer.
@Kirwan said in Aussie Rugby in general:
I see people are wondering if he did this on purpose to get out of his contract. Interesting timing now that he’s the top try scorer.
That was my thoughts . I doubt the French or Japanese really care what he thinks .
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Part of me is a little uneasy a guy lost his job for a social media post
@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Part of me is a little uneasy a guy lost his job for a social media post
Social media policies are commonplace in workplaces.
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Part of me is a little uneasy a guy lost his job for a social media post
@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Part of me is a little uneasy a guy lost his job for a social media post
He knew the rules but shat the bed anyway.
Fuck him.
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Part of me is a little uneasy a guy lost his job for a social media post
He knew the rules but shat the bed anyway.
Fuck him.
@MN5 said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Part of me is a little uneasy a guy lost his job for a social media post
He knew the rules but shat the bed anyway.
Fuck him.
Is it really any different from him standing up in the office and announcing it. That shit will still get you fired.
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@MN5 said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Part of me is a little uneasy a guy lost his job for a social media post
He knew the rules but shat the bed anyway.
Fuck him.
Is it really any different from him standing up in the office and announcing it. That shit will still get you fired.
@mooshld said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@MN5 said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Part of me is a little uneasy a guy lost his job for a social media post
He knew the rules but shat the bed anyway.
Fuck him.
Is it really any different from him standing up in the office and announcing it. That shit will still get you fired.
Exactly. There are so many professions where people have to be so careful with what they say and would face exactly the same sort of sanctions, difference is most people aren't world class sportsmen.
Try being Police, Fire, Ambo or any sort of Government department, tweet that shit and try and keep your 40k a year job........
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Part of me is a little uneasy a guy lost his job for a social media post
Social media policies are commonplace in workplaces.
@KiwiMurph said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Part of me is a little uneasy a guy lost his job for a social media post
Social media policies are commonplace in workplaces.
Essential if you work with key stakeholders/sponsors. I have it in my contract that I can't grandstand on social media on a number of issues or topics. I'm fine with that because I find grandstanding a waste of time plus I get paid a lot more money by agreeing not to do it.
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An interesting angle here is that in NZs bill of rights, and I'm sure Aus has it in a human rights act, people are protected from discrimination based on their religious beliefs.
Firing a guy based on his religious beliefs fits that bill perfectly. So unless you have something specific in your contract you shouldn't be fired for quoting your holy book.
When it comes to Folau's contract, I'd be surprised if his lawyers didn't put any mitigating factors into it regarding his religious beliefs. It will be interesting to see if the ARU will be able to terminate it without paying him out.
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An interesting angle here is that in NZs bill of rights, and I'm sure Aus has it in a human rights act, people are protected from discrimination based on their religious beliefs.
Firing a guy based on his religious beliefs fits that bill perfectly. So unless you have something specific in your contract you shouldn't be fired for quoting your holy book.
When it comes to Folau's contract, I'd be surprised if his lawyers didn't put any mitigating factors into it regarding his religious beliefs. It will be interesting to see if the ARU will be able to terminate it without paying him out.
@No-Quarter said in Aussie Rugby in general:
An interesting angle here is that in NZs bill of rights, and I'm sure Aus has it in a human rights act, people are protected from discrimination based on their religious beliefs
We don't have a Rights Act. Religious freedom is the only freedom explicitly stated in the Constitution but that's limited to government restriction:
Sect 116
The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth. -
@No-Quarter said in Aussie Rugby in general:
An interesting angle here is that in NZs bill of rights, and I'm sure Aus has it in a human rights act, people are protected from discrimination based on their religious beliefs
We don't have a Rights Act. Religious freedom is the only freedom explicitly stated in the Constitution but that's limited to government restriction:
Sect 116
The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@No-Quarter said in Aussie Rugby in general:
An interesting angle here is that in NZs bill of rights, and I'm sure Aus has it in a human rights act, people are protected from discrimination based on their religious beliefs
We don't have a Rights Act. Religious freedom is the only freedom explicitly stated in the Constitution but that's limited to government restriction:
Sect 116
The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.I stand corrected, looks like there are Federal anti-discrimination laws but they don't cover religion like in NZ.
https://www.ag.gov.au/RightsAndProtections/HumanRights/Pages/Australias-Anti-Discrimination-Law.aspx
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@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@No-Quarter said in Aussie Rugby in general:
An interesting angle here is that in NZs bill of rights, and I'm sure Aus has it in a human rights act, people are protected from discrimination based on their religious beliefs
We don't have a Rights Act. Religious freedom is the only freedom explicitly stated in the Constitution but that's limited to government restriction:
Sect 116
The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.I stand corrected, looks like there are Federal anti-discrimination laws but they don't cover religion like in NZ.
https://www.ag.gov.au/RightsAndProtections/HumanRights/Pages/Australias-Anti-Discrimination-Law.aspx
@No-Quarter That's correct. But the current government wants to amend the discrimination legislation to make relious observance a protected status.
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@MN5 said in Aussie Rugby in general:
It still boggles my mind that him and David Pocock shared a dressing room
I sincerely doubt the strength of Bono's stated convictions.
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@MN5 said in Aussie Rugby in general:
It still boggles my mind that him and David Pocock shared a dressing room
I sincerely doubt the strength of Bono's stated convictions.
I don't think that's fair. He didn't sign the papers you see. Even if he went through the ceremony and she took his surname and he porked her. And his carbon footprint is small...compared to Al Gore. Jazz hands.
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Folau targetted eight groups, including atheists and adulterers, as going to Hell. I haven’t repented yet. I guess that means I should be twice as outraged and incensed and offended as LGBTQers. Strangely I’m not feeling it. Fwiw there are plenty of Christians and Muslims who believe the same, but society only preaches tolerance and diversity, they don’t actually follow the practice.
