Aussie Pro Rugby
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@Winger said in Aussie Rugby:
And preferable an Aussie who once played rugby at some level.
I don't see how that has anything to do with being good at sports administration.
First up test for incoming CEO if it's Kearns or Farr-Jones; recognising the parlous financial state of RA, will you do the job for free?
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Winger said in Aussie Rugby:
And preferable an Aussie who once played rugby at some level.
I don't see how that has anything to do with being good at sports administration.
First up test for incoming CEO if it's Kearns or Farr-Jones; recognising the parlous financial state of RA, will you do the job for free?
Yeah, I don't see how 'played at some level' is really a criteria. More like 'understands the game through long term involvement'.
I do agree that a complete outsider is not a good approach no matter how strong the business acumen, but the board is already full of those and apparently they weren't good enough for the whinging mob.
That Fitzsimons article pretty much hits the nail on the head. RA have had a run of bad decisions and bad luck. Work together if you love the game.As an aside, he mentions the waste of $ after 2003. I was in Oz at that time and involved in junior rugby. There was a bunch of pretty brochures and coaching material thrown around and kids were keen to get involved but nothing you could consider long term and sustainable was targeted at the kids. On op of that some newly employed fish head came up with a whole lot of administrative stuff (and new insurance) that upped the fees that clubs had to collect from parents. It was really poor decision making that not only wasted the windfall and opportunity but ruined a generation which is now showing badly.
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@Winger said in Aussie Rugby:
And preferable an Aussie who once played rugby at some level.
I don't see how that has anything to do with being good at sports administration.
First up test for incoming CEO if it's Kearns or Farr-Jones; recognising the parlous financial state of RA, will you do the job for free?
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
First up test for incoming CEO if it's Kearns or Farr-Jones; recognising the parlous financial state of RA, will you do the job for free?
Pop quiz hotshot: how much would they have to pay YOU to take on that CEO role, in that viper pit? Honestly, I'm not sure there's enough money... would be brutal
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the rugby codes, especially the overly influential ex-players, have this weird obsession with the notion that you can only run the game if you played it at the top level. I wonder why that is? And, for some weird reason, people latch on to it as if it's perfectly logical.
The NRL is about to make the same mistake. It's fucking retarded.
I have been around rugby players nearly all my life. I would trust very, very few to run a fish and chip shop, let alone a gigantic sporting enterprise.
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@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
First up test for incoming CEO if it's Kearns or Farr-Jones; recognising the parlous financial state of RA, will you do the job for free?
Pop quiz hotshot: how much would they have to pay YOU to take on that CEO role, in that viper pit? Honestly, I'm not sure there's enough money... would be brutal
@nzzp said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
First up test for incoming CEO if it's Kearns or Farr-Jones; recognising the parlous financial state of RA, will you do the job for free?
Pop quiz hotshot: how much would they have to pay YOU to take on that CEO role, in that viper pit? Honestly, I'm not sure there's enough money... would be brutal
i would take it over the NRL job in a heartbeat
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@nzzp said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
First up test for incoming CEO if it's Kearns or Farr-Jones; recognising the parlous financial state of RA, will you do the job for free?
Pop quiz hotshot: how much would they have to pay YOU to take on that CEO role, in that viper pit? Honestly, I'm not sure there's enough money... would be brutal
i would take it over the NRL job in a heartbeat
@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby:
@nzzp said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
First up test for incoming CEO if it's Kearns or Farr-Jones; recognising the parlous financial state of RA, will you do the job for free?
Pop quiz hotshot: how much would they have to pay YOU to take on that CEO role, in that viper pit? Honestly, I'm not sure there's enough money... would be brutal
i would take it over the NRL job in a heartbeat
NRL yes - tribal support, and a salary capped decent comp that churns out talent. Rugby though?
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the rugby codes, especially the overly influential ex-players, have this weird obsession with the notion that you can only run the game if you played it at the top level. I wonder why that is? And, for some weird reason, people latch on to it as if it's perfectly logical.
The NRL is about to make the same mistake. It's fucking retarded.
I have been around rugby players nearly all my life. I would trust very, very few to run a fish and chip shop, let alone a gigantic sporting enterprise.
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@mariner4life agree and it reminds me of people complaining about sports administrators - never mind that most of them play the sport or used to play it, or are family of players.
@Godder said in Aussie Rugby:
@mariner4life agree and it reminds me of people complaining about sports administrators - never mind that most of them play the sport or used to play it, or are family of players.
Not only that, but people think the same about coaching for some reason. I mean, clearly Henry and Hansen can't be better coaches than Umaga and Kirwan, as they ddin't play to that level.
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@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
First up test for incoming CEO if it's Kearns or Farr-Jones; recognising the parlous financial state of RA, will you do the job for free?
Pop quiz hotshot: how much would they have to pay YOU to take on that CEO role, in that viper pit? Honestly, I'm not sure there's enough money... would be brutal
@nzzp said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
First up test for incoming CEO if it's Kearns or Farr-Jones; recognising the parlous financial state of RA, will you do the job for free?
Pop quiz hotshot: how much would they have to pay YOU to take on that CEO role, in that viper pit? Honestly, I'm not sure there's enough money... would be brutal
I'd do it on my current remuneration (with a bonus for meeting KPIs).
Free tickets to rugby games would save me cash to start with.
The big difference is I'm not the one doing incalculable damage to the sport for my own gratification.
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@Tim https://play.afl/auskick seems to be remarkably successful. Programmes like that are making headway in traditional league/ rugby areas.
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@Tim https://play.afl/auskick seems to be remarkably successful. Programmes like that are making headway in traditional league/ rugby areas.
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Tim https://play.afl/auskick seems to be remarkably successful. Programmes like that are making headway in traditional league/ rugby areas.
AFL, aside from appearing to be well run, also has a natural advantage at the junior level these days - in a world where concussion effects are being recognised and increasing numbers of parents don't want their kids playing the violent codes, AFL is a great compromise . You can still be a bit aggressive, but there is little in the way of impact injuries.
It also gives a decent grounding in using both hand and feet skills.
I still don't like the sport, but I can see why parents put their kids into it.
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@nzzp said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
First up test for incoming CEO if it's Kearns or Farr-Jones; recognising the parlous financial state of RA, will you do the job for free?
Pop quiz hotshot: how much would they have to pay YOU to take on that CEO role, in that viper pit? Honestly, I'm not sure there's enough money... would be brutal
i would take it over the NRL job in a heartbeat
@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby:
@nzzp said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
First up test for incoming CEO if it's Kearns or Farr-Jones; recognising the parlous financial state of RA, will you do the job for free?
Pop quiz hotshot: how much would they have to pay YOU to take on that CEO role, in that viper pit? Honestly, I'm not sure there's enough money... would be brutal
i would take it over the NRL job in a heartbeat
Can you imagine the 1st 15 seconds of every day as NRL commish? Open your eyes, heart rate spikes to 195bpm as you check your phone for the latest scandal...
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@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Tim https://play.afl/auskick seems to be remarkably successful. Programmes like that are making headway in traditional league/ rugby areas.
AFL, aside from appearing to be well run, also has a natural advantage at the junior level these days - in a world where concussion effects are being recognised and increasing numbers of parents don't want their kids playing the violent codes, AFL is a great compromise . You can still be a bit aggressive, but there is little in the way of impact injuries.
It also gives a decent grounding in using both hand and feet skills.
I still don't like the sport, but I can see why parents put their kids into it.
@voodoo said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Tim https://play.afl/auskick seems to be remarkably successful. Programmes like that are making headway in traditional league/ rugby areas.
AFL, aside from appearing to be well run, also has a natural advantage at the junior level these days - in a world where concussion effects are being recognised and increasing numbers of parents don't want their kids playing the violent codes, AFL is a great compromise . You can still be a bit aggressive, but there is little in the way of impact injuries.
It also gives a decent grounding in using both hand and feet skills.
I still don't like the sport, but I can see why parents put their kids into it.
the AFL, in the main, works off a bottom-up model. Get the kids in, and everything else takes care of itself.
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@Tim said in Aussie Rugby:
I've been told that AFL has by far the best junior program in Australia. Is this true?
Yes very well run they target the best athletes very early.I know in my Job within Cricket here in Australia we are always batting to keep the better athletes as the AFL run well funded and very well marketed academies.
We lost a few young players to AFL which were already in the system playing for Australia u/19s.Two I coached are now 22 and only playing in the local AFL comp but are not interested in coming back to Cricket.
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@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
First up test for incoming CEO if it's Kearns or Farr-Jones; recognising the parlous financial state of RA, will you do the job for free?
Pop quiz hotshot: how much would they have to pay YOU to take on that CEO role, in that viper pit? Honestly, I'm not sure there's enough money... would be brutal
@nzzp said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
First up test for incoming CEO if it's Kearns or Farr-Jones; recognising the parlous financial state of RA, will you do the job for free?
Pop quiz hotshot: how much would they have to pay YOU to take on that CEO role, in that viper pit? Honestly, I'm not sure there's enough money... would be brutal
I've already (many times per year) offered my services for a measly $250K per year + expenses (the free tickets, travel etc. that @antipodean has already pointed out).
Oh and carte blanche to run the place as a dictatorship, including a plan to rip up the current schools structures and implement new ones - particularly in Sydney where it is a basket case.
As I've pointed out on multiple occasions: the issue with rugby in Australia is too many unions unaligned to the primary goal, which should be international success. NZR did this years ago and the benefits are amply evident.
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@Tim said in Aussie Rugby:
I've been told that AFL has by far the best junior program in Australia. Is this true?
If your kid wants to play AFL, they'll get their local team players into a school with a development officer to run a course for free, and even give away branded footy, water bottle, and backpack.
Hell, the kid might not even want to do it, but AFL will put the time and money into at least exposing them to the game and get them involved via their mates etc.
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@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Winger said in Aussie Rugby:
And preferable an Aussie who once played rugby at some level.
I don't see how that has anything to do with being good at sports administration.
First up test for incoming CEO if it's Kearns or Farr-Jones; recognising the parlous financial state of RA, will you do the job for free?
Yeah, I don't see how 'played at some level' is really a criteria. More like 'understands the game through long term involvement'.
I do agree that a complete outsider is not a good approach no matter how strong the business acumen, but the board is already full of those and apparently they weren't good enough for the whinging mob.
That Fitzsimons article pretty much hits the nail on the head. RA have had a run of bad decisions and bad luck. Work together if you love the game.As an aside, he mentions the waste of $ after 2003. I was in Oz at that time and involved in junior rugby. There was a bunch of pretty brochures and coaching material thrown around and kids were keen to get involved but nothing you could consider long term and sustainable was targeted at the kids. On op of that some newly employed fish head came up with a whole lot of administrative stuff (and new insurance) that upped the fees that clubs had to collect from parents. It was really poor decision making that not only wasted the windfall and opportunity but ruined a generation which is now showing badly.
@Crucial said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Winger said in Aussie Rugby:
And preferable an Aussie who once played rugby at some level.
I don't see how that has anything to do with being good at sports administration.
First up test for incoming CEO if it's Kearns or Farr-Jones; recognising the parlous financial state of RA, will you do the job for free?
Yeah, I don't see how 'played at some level' is really a criteria. More like 'understands the game through long term involvement'.
I do agree that a complete outsider is not a good approach no matter how strong the business acumen, but the board is already full of those and apparently they weren't good enough for the whinging mob.
That Fitzsimons article pretty much hits the nail on the head. RA have had a run of bad decisions and bad luck. Work together if you love the game."Whinging mob".
Castles appointment has turned into a disaster. And an expensive one at that. Its fine to dismiss this as bad luck and throw in nonsense like "working together". My view is thankfully she's gone. As I want strong Aussie rugby across the Board (inc super rugby that likely means only three teams) not the joke that its become. And optics is important to get the supporters back on side. So yes ideally if someone has the required admin and leadership skills at least playing rugby in the past (man or woman) is preferable. Not essential but preferable. And also surely they can find an Aussie who has the skills. At $800,000 a year. Although likely less dollars now.
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@Crucial said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Winger said in Aussie Rugby:
And preferable an Aussie who once played rugby at some level.
I don't see how that has anything to do with being good at sports administration.
First up test for incoming CEO if it's Kearns or Farr-Jones; recognising the parlous financial state of RA, will you do the job for free?
Yeah, I don't see how 'played at some level' is really a criteria. More like 'understands the game through long term involvement'.
I do agree that a complete outsider is not a good approach no matter how strong the business acumen, but the board is already full of those and apparently they weren't good enough for the whinging mob.
That Fitzsimons article pretty much hits the nail on the head. RA have had a run of bad decisions and bad luck. Work together if you love the game."Whinging mob".
Castles appointment has turned into a disaster. And an expensive one at that. Its fine to dismiss this as bad luck and throw in nonsense like "working together". My view is thankfully she's gone. As I want strong Aussie rugby across the Board (inc super rugby that likely means only three teams) not the joke that its become. And optics is important to get the supporters back on side. So yes ideally if someone has the required admin and leadership skills at least playing rugby in the past (man or woman) is preferable. Not essential but preferable. And also surely they can find an Aussie who has the skills. At $800,000 a year. Although likely less dollars now.
@Winger said in Aussie Rugby:
Castles appointment has turned into a disaster. And an expensive one at that.
Data shows the loss is comparable to previous RWC years. Unless of course you think covid-19 is her fault.
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@voodoo said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Tim https://play.afl/auskick seems to be remarkably successful. Programmes like that are making headway in traditional league/ rugby areas.
AFL, aside from appearing to be well run, also has a natural advantage at the junior level these days - in a world where concussion effects are being recognised and increasing numbers of parents don't want their kids playing the violent codes, AFL is a great compromise . You can still be a bit aggressive, but there is little in the way of impact injuries.
It also gives a decent grounding in using both hand and feet skills.
I still don't like the sport, but I can see why parents put their kids into it.
the AFL, in the main, works off a bottom-up model. Get the kids in, and everything else takes care of itself.
@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby:
@voodoo said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Tim https://play.afl/auskick seems to be remarkably successful. Programmes like that are making headway in traditional league/ rugby areas.
AFL, aside from appearing to be well run, also has a natural advantage at the junior level these days - in a world where concussion effects are being recognised and increasing numbers of parents don't want their kids playing the violent codes, AFL is a great compromise . You can still be a bit aggressive, but there is little in the way of impact injuries.
It also gives a decent grounding in using both hand and feet skills.
I still don't like the sport, but I can see why parents put their kids into it.
the AFL, in the main, works off a bottom-up model. Get the kids in, and everything else takes care of itself.
Just worth repeating ad nauseam that ex-Wallaby captain's are very unlikely to know what the bottom of the pyramid wants and needs.
