Aussie Pro Rugby
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@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
To play where?
On a rugby field, I guess. First receiver as a preference.
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
To play where?
On a rugby field, I guess. First receiver as a preference.
He seems to be less involved than Mo'unga for most of the match. I just don't think players can transition into such important positions without considerable time, which they aren't afforded before being placed on the scrap heap.
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
To play where?
On a rugby field, I guess. First receiver as a preference.
He seems to be less involved than Mo'unga for most of the match. I just don't think players can transition into such important positions without considerable time, which they aren't afforded before being placed on the scrap heap.
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
To play where?
On a rugby field, I guess. First receiver as a preference.
He seems to be less involved than Mo'unga for most of the match. I just don't think players can transition into such important positions without considerable time, which they aren't afforded before being placed on the scrap heap.
And you're probably right about that - outside backs the easiest transition.
But it would be a better investment than Suali'i or Crichton, which is to say not very good.
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@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
To play where?
On a rugby field, I guess. First receiver as a preference.
He seems to be less involved than Mo'unga for most of the match. I just don't think players can transition into such important positions without considerable time, which they aren't afforded before being placed on the scrap heap.
And you're probably right about that - outside backs the easiest transition.
But it would be a better investment than Suali'i or Crichton, which is to say not very good.
@NTA I never understand RA's fascination with getting different backs to address what is clearly a forward's problem.
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@NTA I never understand RA's fascination with getting different backs to address what is clearly a forward's problem.
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA I never understand RA's fascination with getting different backs to address what is clearly a forward's problem.
Not enough props on the board.
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And predictably, a sports journalist demonstrating they know fuck all about the sport:
https://twitter.com/ChristypDoran/status/1708429693492539624 -
Yeah I can imagine him in the wallabies before the next RWC, but like most he will play league until the season before, take a massive widge of cash for two seasons, and never figure out union before he crashes out as they all do with too much expected too soon
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And predictably, a sports journalist demonstrating they know fuck all about the sport:
https://twitter.com/ChristypDoran/status/1708429693492539624@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
And predictably, a sports journalist demonstrating they know fuck all about the sport:
https://twitter.com/ChristypDoran/status/1708429693492539624seems a really solid investment for the future of the game....spend loads on a guy that only has 1 world cup cycle in him and no connection to Rugby Union....
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And predictably, a sports journalist demonstrating they know fuck all about the sport:
https://twitter.com/ChristypDoran/status/1708429693492539624@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
And predictably, a sports journalist demonstrating they know fuck all about the sport:
https://twitter.com/ChristypDoran/status/1708429693492539624Being generous it could just be a desperate attempt at getting clicks. But socalled sports journalist so probably not.
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And predictably, a sports journalist demonstrating they know fuck all about the sport:
https://twitter.com/ChristypDoran/status/1708429693492539624@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
And predictably, a sports journalist demonstrating they know fuck all about the sport:
https://twitter.com/ChristypDoran/status/1708429693492539624Desperation is a stinky cologne…..
They’re at the stage where they’re throwing money in blind hope for the next SBW but will probably end up with the next RTS instead
( feel free to insert equivalent Australian league players in for better context )
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Actually if they want to target someone maybe that Ezra Mam. He actually played union at school.
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@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@chimoaus said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
@voodoo NZ doesn't look much better to me, clubs going belly up, abysmal crowds in stands, i think some of us look at +60k people turning up to an AB's game and think all is fine....what we need to +20k every week for all teams in the super rugby
Why, when you can watch it from home and not get gouged for food and drinks at a ridiculous nonfamily friendly time?
I guess the question is how do the AFL and NRL still get plenty of numbers turning up.
Atmosphere that doesn't rely on some shit DJ ?
Well, the worst shit DJ I have ever experienced in my life was at the Warriors v Penrith prelim final, so it appears the NRL gets the numbers in spite of the shit DJs.
@Nepia said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@chimoaus said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
@voodoo NZ doesn't look much better to me, clubs going belly up, abysmal crowds in stands, i think some of us look at +60k people turning up to an AB's game and think all is fine....what we need to +20k every week for all teams in the super rugby
Why, when you can watch it from home and not get gouged for food and drinks at a ridiculous nonfamily friendly time?
I guess the question is how do the AFL and NRL still get plenty of numbers turning up.
Atmosphere that doesn't rely on some shit DJ ?
Well, the worst shit DJ I have ever experienced in my life was at the Warriors v Penrith prelim final, so it appears the NRL gets the numbers in spite of the shit DJs.
This. Broncos v Souths couple of years ago.
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Ben Donaldson's missed conversion againts Italy in 2022 probably cost the Wallabies the 2023 RWC QF, didn't it. They looked to be a pretty decent team before Eddie Jones came, if a bit unlucky.
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I stumbled across this vid. Thought you might find it interesting, assuming you've not already seen it. I've no idea who this guy is or what his credentials are but what he is saying chimes with a lot that you've said.
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@Catogrande I saw it a while back. I've had a few convos with him via Twitter.
His general point about cohesion is valid (I'm a fan of Ben Darwin's data on this), but the premise that we need to go back to 3 teams to improve our national standings ignores a lot of things:
We're further into professionalism than we were back then. The players we had going around were still from an amateur base, and as Geoff Parkes says in https://www.theroar.com.au/2023/10/02/the-wrap-wallabies-scrape-a-win-but-the-team-and-the-code-have-entered-chinese-water-torture-territory/
Back then the game was professional in name, but not so much in practice. What was succinctly described to me by Ireland flyhalf and professional coach, David Humphries, as players doing exactly what they did as amateurs – rugby, golf, drinking – just getting paid for it.
That's a good article actually - outlines the issue of ARU/Rugby Australia resting on its laurels and failing to evolve.
The video makes huge assumptions about correlation v causation. The fact is we adopted the best bits of professionalism faster and better than everyone else. The period of our best success came under Rod Macqueen, introducing a very business-like framework for coaching and management of players. People forget he was a coach in the early years of Super 12 with the Brumbies, and the Waratahs before that.
He also had a team of all-time talent to help him, who had grown out of what was then a half-decent schools system - in that it was about as good as anyone else's.
We had rugby league right next door, who had been pro for ages, and we could learn a lot from them.
Throw in "Brumbieleague" where the attacking side got all the advantages, and it was a case of nailing a great lineout and a good scrum onto it, and wha-hey! Winning team.
I guess what the Gold Digger video misses is the evolution (or decline) of other elements in our system. Schools rugby has been shit for a long time. Club rugby has gone backwards in a lot of ways. The attempt to bring in "pathways" has convoluted the systems and just allowed more politics.
Videos like Gold Digger's aren't necessarily evil, but they're not comprehensive or measured enough. They give fuel to the old farts who say we should forget Super Rugby and go back to club when things were great. They're so far removed from reality.
I'll reference Ben Darwin again: he tweeted that it isn't too difficult to turn some of this stuff around, but we need to make sure we're all pointed in the right direction and want it.
https://twitter.com/bendarwin/status/1706233098902626558?s=20
Some of his facts remain very interesting as someone who works in data:
https://twitter.com/bendarwin/status/1707611683563458970?s=20
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If anyone can do conviction, it’s the Aussies
I’ll get my coat
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If anyone can do conviction, it’s the Aussies
I’ll get my coat
@MiketheSnow said in Aussie Rugby:
If anyone can do conviction, it’s the Aussies
I’ll get my coat
We pity those left behind
Enjoy freezing your balls off in winter, and an increasingly bad summer without air conditioning :winking_face_with_tongue:
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@Catogrande I saw it a while back. I've had a few convos with him via Twitter.
His general point about cohesion is valid (I'm a fan of Ben Darwin's data on this), but the premise that we need to go back to 3 teams to improve our national standings ignores a lot of things:
We're further into professionalism than we were back then. The players we had going around were still from an amateur base, and as Geoff Parkes says in https://www.theroar.com.au/2023/10/02/the-wrap-wallabies-scrape-a-win-but-the-team-and-the-code-have-entered-chinese-water-torture-territory/
Back then the game was professional in name, but not so much in practice. What was succinctly described to me by Ireland flyhalf and professional coach, David Humphries, as players doing exactly what they did as amateurs – rugby, golf, drinking – just getting paid for it.
That's a good article actually - outlines the issue of ARU/Rugby Australia resting on its laurels and failing to evolve.
The video makes huge assumptions about correlation v causation. The fact is we adopted the best bits of professionalism faster and better than everyone else. The period of our best success came under Rod Macqueen, introducing a very business-like framework for coaching and management of players. People forget he was a coach in the early years of Super 12 with the Brumbies, and the Waratahs before that.
He also had a team of all-time talent to help him, who had grown out of what was then a half-decent schools system - in that it was about as good as anyone else's.
We had rugby league right next door, who had been pro for ages, and we could learn a lot from them.
Throw in "Brumbieleague" where the attacking side got all the advantages, and it was a case of nailing a great lineout and a good scrum onto it, and wha-hey! Winning team.
I guess what the Gold Digger video misses is the evolution (or decline) of other elements in our system. Schools rugby has been shit for a long time. Club rugby has gone backwards in a lot of ways. The attempt to bring in "pathways" has convoluted the systems and just allowed more politics.
Videos like Gold Digger's aren't necessarily evil, but they're not comprehensive or measured enough. They give fuel to the old farts who say we should forget Super Rugby and go back to club when things were great. They're so far removed from reality.
I'll reference Ben Darwin again: he tweeted that it isn't too difficult to turn some of this stuff around, but we need to make sure we're all pointed in the right direction and want it.
https://twitter.com/bendarwin/status/1706233098902626558?s=20
Some of his facts remain very interesting as someone who works in data:
https://twitter.com/bendarwin/status/1707611683563458970?s=20
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
The video makes huge assumptions about correlation v causation.
I was going to make that very point. The creator of the video doesn't explain why he's only using one exemplar which is a bunting of red flags for anyone who does data analysis or makes decisions based on data. Too easy to come up with erroneous conclusions.
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Sitting at a table in a restaurant in Lyon with his wife Lucinda, her brother and his wife, an Australian fan circled his table for several minutes before pulling up a chair and placing a glass of milk in front of him.
“He ordered me to drink it,” McLennan said. “I took a sip. He told me milk was what all he and his family were all drinking following the Wales defeat.
Why do I get the feeling he omitted the part where he said drink this milk you pussy?
