Aussie Pro Rugby
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@stargazer There is? What about going to Church and supporting it?
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ARU are in a no-win situation.
If they DON'T re-sign Folau they'll cop it from some parts saying they don't support freedom of speech etc.
If they DO re-sign Folau they'll cop it from other parts saying they support bigotry etc.
For what it's worth i'd say this entire episode reduces Folau's value to the ARU - for example they can hardly use him as the 'face' of Rugby in Australia moving forward.
As for his on field ability & impact - I'd suggest it's overstated. He's a winger who they shoe-horn in at fullback. Good player but i'm not sure he's worth the $ from the ARU he commands.
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ARU are in a no-win situation.
If they DON'T re-sign Folau they'll cop it from some parts saying they don't support freedom of speech etc.
If they DO re-sign Folau they'll cop it from other parts saying they support bigotry etc.
For what it's worth i'd say this entire episode reduces Folau's value to the ARU - for example they can hardly use him as the 'face' of Rugby in Australia moving forward.
As for his on field ability & impact - I'd suggest it's overstated. He's a winger who they shoe-horn in at fullback. Good player but i'm not sure he's worth the $ from the ARU he commands.
@kiwimurph said in Aussie Rugby in general:
ARU are in a no-win situation.
If they DON'T re-sign Folau they'll cop it from some parts saying they don't support freedom of speech etc.
If they DO re-sign Folau they'll cop it from other parts saying they support bigotry etc.
For what it's worth i'd say this entire episode reduces Folau's value to the ARU - for example they can hardly use him as the 'face' of Rugby in Australia moving forward.
As for his on field ability & impact - I'd suggest it's overstated. He's a winger who they shoe-horn in at fullback. Good player but i'm not sure he's worth the $ from the ARU he commands.
Good points. Rightly or wrongly, Folau is now tainted by this. Unless he is considered to have immeasurable value on the field (something I question) then he's not much use for anything else.
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Point 1: you put him on a pedestal. If he's our best player and so fucking important we're still not winning, then we're fucked anyway once he decides to pack up his toys and leave because Baby Jesus.
More likely, league will find a way to slide him and his family what they desire under the table, and his agent will be hip-deep in hookers n blow before the ink is dry.Point 2: ah yes, the money pool that RUPA bitches and whines is still too small, without actually giving a fuck what it entails. They just care that they're getting their cut, and to them it wouldn't matter if its 90 players or 120. And that's the issue.
Take Folau's salary and distribute it to three or four other players who can help build a team with the other solid contributors we can already provide. Its still more players on the ground who can make a decent earn here rather than fuck off to Europe. It just has to be enough money for a lot of these guys to represent their province/country, not excess when the player payments first started.
Its probably unfair to lay everything at Folau's feet when our executive are so well-paid to hideously mismanage the game in the name of internal politics. You'd think, having attended some of the nation's finest educational establishments, they'd have some idea how to organise themselves and/or the game they grew up with.
Guess not.
@nta You commie bastard. Let's take down the 'elites' like Folau and spread the money amongst the proletariat.
While we're at it, let's knock off Pocock and Hooper as well. Think of the players we could support!
Soon we will be supporting 15-20 extra players, all completely mediocre.
Folau deserves the big $$$ because he's the best player. Without him we are worse. It's nice to have three more Bryce Hegarty's kicking around but that doesn't help much with the Bledisloe.
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@nta You commie bastard. Let's take down the 'elites' like Folau and spread the money amongst the proletariat.
While we're at it, let's knock off Pocock and Hooper as well. Think of the players we could support!
Soon we will be supporting 15-20 extra players, all completely mediocre.
Folau deserves the big $$$ because he's the best player. Without him we are worse. It's nice to have three more Bryce Hegarty's kicking around but that doesn't help much with the Bledisloe.
@barbarian perhaps, given the miracle you'll need there, a few more god-botherers should be signed?
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@barbarian perhaps, given the miracle you'll need there, a few more god-botherers should be signed?
@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@barbarian perhaps, given the miracle you'll need there, a few more god-botherers should be signed?
There's a long-haired bloke from Nazareth I've had my eye on, but I don't think he's Wallaby eligible, sadly...
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@barbarian perhaps, given the miracle you'll need there, a few more god-botherers should be signed?
There's a long-haired bloke from Nazareth I've had my eye on, but I don't think he's Wallaby eligible, sadly...
@barbarian said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@barbarian perhaps, given the miracle you'll need there, a few more god-botherers should be signed?
There's a long-haired bloke from Nazareth I've had my eye on, but I don't think he's Wallaby eligible, sadly...
he's no chance, went to the wrong school...
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@barbarian perhaps, given the miracle you'll need there, a few more god-botherers should be signed?
There's a long-haired bloke from Nazareth I've had my eye on, but I don't think he's Wallaby eligible, sadly...
@barbarian said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@barbarian perhaps, given the miracle you'll need there, a few more god-botherers should be signed?
There's a long-haired bloke from Nazareth I've had my eye on, but I don't think he's Wallaby eligible, sadly...
Richie McCaw cut his hair ages ago. He's also retired.
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@nta You commie bastard. Let's take down the 'elites' like Folau and spread the money amongst the proletariat.
While we're at it, let's knock off Pocock and Hooper as well. Think of the players we could support!
Soon we will be supporting 15-20 extra players, all completely mediocre.
Folau deserves the big $$$ because he's the best player. Without him we are worse. It's nice to have three more Bryce Hegarty's kicking around but that doesn't help much with the Bledisloe.
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@barbarian when the revolution comes, RUPA will be first against the wall.
DOWN WITH NEOLIBERALISM!
@nta said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@barbarian when the revolution comes, RUPA will be first against the wall.
DOWN WITH NEOLIBERALISM!
Neoliberalism? That shit is the definition of crony capitalism.
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@nta said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@barbarian when the revolution comes, RUPA will be first against the wall.
DOWN WITH NEOLIBERALISM!
Neoliberalism? That shit is the definition of crony capitalism.
@rancid-schnitzel Given RA and RUPA are basically joined at the hip in financial terms, its close enough.
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@milk said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Brad Weber hosts a new podcast with Michael Allardice and are clearly good friends... isn't Allardice the one who got in trouble for using the homophobic slur at the pool?
And who says that he hasn't talked to Allardice about this in private?
@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@milk said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Brad Weber hosts a new podcast with Michael Allardice and are clearly good friends... isn't Allardice the one who got in trouble for using the homophobic slur at the pool?
And who says that he hasn't talked to Allardice about this in private?
You're asking people to prove a negative. Why didn't he discuss the issue with Israel at the next available opportunity? Or wasn't social media invented when Allardice was being a dick?
As to the future contractual status of Folau going forward; he's hardly likely to be the front of a Qantas Wallabies rainbow advertising campaign now. And why would you give the most amount of money to a bloke that hardly touches the ball in games?
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@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@milk said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Brad Weber hosts a new podcast with Michael Allardice and are clearly good friends... isn't Allardice the one who got in trouble for using the homophobic slur at the pool?
And who says that he hasn't talked to Allardice about this in private?
You're asking people to prove a negative. Why didn't he discuss the issue with Israel at the next available opportunity? Or wasn't social media invented when Allardice was being a dick?
As to the future contractual status of Folau going forward; he's hardly likely to be the front of a Qantas Wallabies rainbow advertising campaign now. And why would you give the most amount of money to a bloke that hardly touches the ball in games?
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@milk said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Brad Weber hosts a new podcast with Michael Allardice and are clearly good friends... isn't Allardice the one who got in trouble for using the homophobic slur at the pool?
And who says that he hasn't talked to Allardice about this in private?
You're asking people to prove a negative. Why didn't he discuss the issue with Israel at the next available opportunity? Or wasn't social media invented when Allardice was being a dick?
Weber would likely have been with Allardice when he made those comments and is in the same team so could discussed with him straight away. Folau is not a team mate of Weber's, he's just another player who made comments that Weber disagrees with.
Folau made his opinion publicly so why is there an issue with Weber making his opinion public?
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@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@milk said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Brad Weber hosts a new podcast with Michael Allardice and are clearly good friends... isn't Allardice the one who got in trouble for using the homophobic slur at the pool?
And who says that he hasn't talked to Allardice about this in private?
You're asking people to prove a negative. Why didn't he discuss the issue with Israel at the next available opportunity? Or wasn't social media invented when Allardice was being a dick?
Weber would likely have been with Allardice when he made those comments and is in the same team so could discussed with him straight away. Folau is not a team mate of Weber's, he's just another player who made comments that Weber disagrees with.
Folau made his opinion publicly so why is there an issue with Weber making his opinion public?
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@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@milk said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Brad Weber hosts a new podcast with Michael Allardice and are clearly good friends... isn't Allardice the one who got in trouble for using the homophobic slur at the pool?
And who says that he hasn't talked to Allardice about this in private?
You're asking people to prove a negative. Why didn't he discuss the issue with Israel at the next available opportunity? Or wasn't social media invented when Allardice was being a dick?
Weber would likely have been with Allardice when he made those comments and is in the same team so could discussed with him straight away. Folau is not a team mate of Weber's, he's just another player who made comments that Weber disagrees with.
Folau made his opinion publicly so why is there an issue with Weber making his opinion public?
@nepia said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@milk said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Brad Weber hosts a new podcast with Michael Allardice and are clearly good friends... isn't Allardice the one who got in trouble for using the homophobic slur at the pool?
And who says that he hasn't talked to Allardice about this in private?
You're asking people to prove a negative. Why didn't he discuss the issue with Israel at the next available opportunity? Or wasn't social media invented when Allardice was being a dick?
Weber would likely ... so could ...
Remarkably easy to construct the narrative to suit. rolleyes.jpg
Folau made his opinion publicly so why is there an issue with Weber making his opinion public?
I don't have an issue with Weber getting on social media and saying what he wants. But didn't Fallardice didn't make his announcements in public..?
@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nepia Exactly, and the Chiefs only play the Tahs on 26 May. He'd have to wait way too long.
He waited until yesterday...
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@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@milk said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Brad Weber hosts a new podcast with Michael Allardice and are clearly good friends... isn't Allardice the one who got in trouble for using the homophobic slur at the pool?
And who says that he hasn't talked to Allardice about this in private?
You're asking people to prove a negative. Why didn't he discuss the issue with Israel at the next available opportunity? Or wasn't social media invented when Allardice was being a dick?
As to the future contractual status of Folau going forward; he's hardly likely to be the front of a Qantas Wallabies rainbow advertising campaign now. And why would you give the most amount of money to a bloke that hardly touches the ball in games?
@antipodean TBF, if I hear something someone has said and makes me think they are the biggest cnut about, I'd not bother speaking to them at all, why should I confront them about it (unless they were a friend)
Has Pocock said anything (or has he been muzzled) given he was pro-Gay Marriage, and he will have (and has) to play in the same team as him....surely other players Folau plays with are at complete odds with his stance.
I really cant see a way back (in Aus Rugby) for Folau from here, he has taken a pretty strong stance in opposition of a subject that is touchy as it is.
My guess is he will head to Europe (although NRL is an option too) Aus will lose one of their best rugby players and the Silver Ferns will lose their best netballer...
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@nepia said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@milk said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Brad Weber hosts a new podcast with Michael Allardice and are clearly good friends... isn't Allardice the one who got in trouble for using the homophobic slur at the pool?
And who says that he hasn't talked to Allardice about this in private?
You're asking people to prove a negative. Why didn't he discuss the issue with Israel at the next available opportunity? Or wasn't social media invented when Allardice was being a dick?
Weber would likely ... so could ...
Remarkably easy to construct the narrative to suit. rolleyes.jpg
Folau made his opinion publicly so why is there an issue with Weber making his opinion public?
I don't have an issue with Weber getting on social media and saying what he wants. But didn't Fallardice didn't make his announcements in public..?
@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nepia Exactly, and the Chiefs only play the Tahs on 26 May. He'd have to wait way too long.
He waited until yesterday...
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nepia said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@milk said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Brad Weber hosts a new podcast with Michael Allardice and are clearly good friends... isn't Allardice the one who got in trouble for using the homophobic slur at the pool?
And who says that he hasn't talked to Allardice about this in private?
You're asking people to prove a negative. Why didn't he discuss the issue with Israel at the next available opportunity? Or wasn't social media invented when Allardice was being a dick?
Weber would likely ... so could ...
Remarkably easy to construct the narrative to suit. rolleyes.jpg
Folau made his opinion publicly so why is there an issue with Weber making his opinion public?
I don't have an issue with Weber getting on social media and saying what he wants. But didn't Fallardice didn't make his announcements in public..?
@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nepia Exactly, and the Chiefs only play the Tahs on 26 May. He'd have to wait way too long.
He waited until yesterday...
There's a difference between saying something in a public place and commenting on social media don't you think?
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@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nepia said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@milk said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Brad Weber hosts a new podcast with Michael Allardice and are clearly good friends... isn't Allardice the one who got in trouble for using the homophobic slur at the pool?
And who says that he hasn't talked to Allardice about this in private?
You're asking people to prove a negative. Why didn't he discuss the issue with Israel at the next available opportunity? Or wasn't social media invented when Allardice was being a dick?
Weber would likely ... so could ...
Remarkably easy to construct the narrative to suit. rolleyes.jpg
Folau made his opinion publicly so why is there an issue with Weber making his opinion public?
I don't have an issue with Weber getting on social media and saying what he wants. But didn't Fallardice didn't make his announcements in public..?
@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nepia Exactly, and the Chiefs only play the Tahs on 26 May. He'd have to wait way too long.
He waited until yesterday...
There's a difference between saying something in a public place and commenting on social media don't you think?
@nepia said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nepia Exactly, and the Chiefs only play the Tahs on 26 May. He'd have to wait way too long.
He waited until yesterday...
There's a difference between saying something in a public place and commenting on social media don't you think?
Not really.
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@nepia said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nepia Exactly, and the Chiefs only play the Tahs on 26 May. He'd have to wait way too long.
He waited until yesterday...
There's a difference between saying something in a public place and commenting on social media don't you think?
Not really.
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nepia said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nepia Exactly, and the Chiefs only play the Tahs on 26 May. He'd have to wait way too long.
He waited until yesterday...
There's a difference between saying something in a public place and commenting on social media don't you think?
Not really.
FFS man, are you just being a dick or do you really think Allardice making inappropriate comments to his teammates which are overheard by the public is similar to posting comments on social media?
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@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nepia said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nepia Exactly, and the Chiefs only play the Tahs on 26 May. He'd have to wait way too long.
He waited until yesterday...
There's a difference between saying something in a public place and commenting on social media don't you think?
Not really.
FFS man, are you just being a dick or do you really think Allardice making inappropriate comments to his teammates which are overheard by the public is similar to posting comments on social media?
@nepia said in Aussie Rugby in general:
FFS man, are you just being a dick or do you really think Allardice making inappropriate comments to his teammates which are overheard by the public is similar to posting comments on social media?
Lets try a different tack on this: if people overhear/ read the same comment, explain the difference as you see it.
