Stadium of Canterbury
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@duluth How can a city be "really comfortable" with capacity less than a
citytown a third its population?@antipodean Forsyth Barr only has 15k permanent seats and only gets to capacity for AB games. so for 90% of games this stadium is going to have 10k MORE seats than forsyth barr
i think that works as far as permanent seats but they should work on upping the number of temp ones they can add for AB games
I also look at the current "temporary stadium", in the years i lived in chch i never struggled to get a ticket for AB games and that only have a max capacity of 25k
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mr google told me
The North and South stands have a permanent seating capacity of approximately 20,000 spectators of which 18,000 are Alloyfold’s Albany stadium chairs.
this does not include the zoo or west stand only xtra seating not up permanently is east stand so 25000 ? permanent seating
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@antipodean Forsyth Barr only has 15k permanent seats and only gets to capacity for AB games. so for 90% of games this stadium is going to have 10k MORE seats than forsyth barr
i think that works as far as permanent seats but they should work on upping the number of temp ones they can add for AB games
I also look at the current "temporary stadium", in the years i lived in chch i never struggled to get a ticket for AB games and that only have a max capacity of 25k
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@antipodean Forsyth Barr only has 15k permanent seats and only gets to capacity for AB games. so for 90% of games this stadium is going to have 10k MORE seats than forsyth barr
i think that works as far as permanent seats but they should work on upping the number of temp ones they can add for AB games
I also look at the current "temporary stadium", in the years i lived in chch i never struggled to get a ticket for AB games and that only have a max capacity of 25k
This seating plan suggests your numbers are off:
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@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@antipodean Forsyth Barr only has 15k permanent seats and only gets to capacity for AB games. so for 90% of games this stadium is going to have 10k MORE seats than forsyth barr
i think that works as far as permanent seats but they should work on upping the number of temp ones they can add for AB games
I also look at the current "temporary stadium", in the years i lived in chch i never struggled to get a ticket for AB games and that only have a max capacity of 25k
This seating plan suggests your numbers are off:
@antipodean east and west aren't permanent, only the north and south :man_shrugging_light_skin_tone:
@ploughboy i just went off the wiki which gave the minimum seating as 15k which i had assumed was the permanent seats
even if those numbers were off, the zoo is almost never full...so if anything we're saying they probably went too big in dunners
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@antipodean east and west aren't permanent, only the north and south :man_shrugging_light_skin_tone:
@ploughboy i just went off the wiki which gave the minimum seating as 15k which i had assumed was the permanent seats
even if those numbers were off, the zoo is almost never full...so if anything we're saying they probably went too big in dunners
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@antipodean east and west aren't permanent, only the north and south :man_shrugging_light_skin_tone:
So what if they can remove seating as part of the configuration?
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@antipodean east and west aren't permanent, only the north and south :man_shrugging_light_skin_tone:
@ploughboy i just went off the wiki which gave the minimum seating as 15k which i had assumed was the permanent seats
even if those numbers were off, the zoo is almost never full...so if anything we're saying they probably went too big in dunners
west stand can be added to per permanent now as is always up
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@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@antipodean east and west aren't permanent, only the north and south :man_shrugging_light_skin_tone:
So what if they can remove seating as part of the configuration?
@antipodean said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@antipodean east and west aren't permanent, only the north and south :man_shrugging_light_skin_tone:
So what if they can remove seating as part of the configuration?
i only raise it because you were saying the chch one is going to have a smaller capacity where really its going to be bigger 90% of the time and comparable (about 30k) for big games that happen once or twice a year
also why i added it would be good if they could look at upping the temp seats, personally i think thats better than having a huge stadium thats rarely full
and comparing to dunedin that is often not even half full is like saying you want to waste money on a white elephant too
designing to suit the crowds chch gets seems lie a logical way to approach it and as i said ive never struggled to get tickets to games in chch and thats only 18-20k most of the time and 25K for big games
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@antipodean said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@antipodean east and west aren't permanent, only the north and south :man_shrugging_light_skin_tone:
So what if they can remove seating as part of the configuration?
i only raise it because you were saying the chch one is going to have a smaller capacity where really its going to be bigger 90% of the time and comparable (about 30k) for big games that happen once or twice a year
also why i added it would be good if they could look at upping the temp seats, personally i think thats better than having a huge stadium thats rarely full
and comparing to dunedin that is often not even half full is like saying you want to waste money on a white elephant too
designing to suit the crowds chch gets seems lie a logical way to approach it and as i said ive never struggled to get tickets to games in chch and thats only 18-20k most of the time and 25K for big games
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@antipodean said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@antipodean east and west aren't permanent, only the north and south :man_shrugging_light_skin_tone:
So what if they can remove seating as part of the configuration?
i only raise it because you were saying the chch one is going to have a smaller capacity where really its going to be bigger 90% of the time and comparable (about 30k) for big games that happen once or twice a year
also why i added it would be good if they could look at upping the temp seats, personally i think thats better than having a huge stadium thats rarely full
and comparing to dunedin that is often not even half full is like saying you want to waste money on a white elephant too
designing to suit the crowds chch gets seems lie a logical way to approach it and as i said ive never struggled to get tickets to games in chch and thats only 18-20k most of the time and 25K for big games
In an era where NZR is still committed to allowing regions outside of Auckland to host All Black fixtures the respective seating capacity is relevant. Furthermore, the design of Forsyth-Barr lends itself to other uses than merely a football stadium/ concert venue. Regardless of how permanent the seats are, the capacity of a smaller town makes a mockery of Christchurch's small ambitions.
I'm not surprised it isn't difficult to get tickets to sit at league park to freeze at night. We're talking about a new inner-city stadium that won't be replaced for decades.
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@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@antipodean said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@antipodean east and west aren't permanent, only the north and south :man_shrugging_light_skin_tone:
So what if they can remove seating as part of the configuration?
i only raise it because you were saying the chch one is going to have a smaller capacity where really its going to be bigger 90% of the time and comparable (about 30k) for big games that happen once or twice a year
also why i added it would be good if they could look at upping the temp seats, personally i think thats better than having a huge stadium thats rarely full
and comparing to dunedin that is often not even half full is like saying you want to waste money on a white elephant too
designing to suit the crowds chch gets seems lie a logical way to approach it and as i said ive never struggled to get tickets to games in chch and thats only 18-20k most of the time and 25K for big games
In an era where NZR is still committed to allowing regions outside of Auckland to host All Black fixtures the respective seating capacity is relevant. Furthermore, the design of Forsyth-Barr lends itself to other uses than merely a football stadium/ concert venue. Regardless of how permanent the seats are, the capacity of a smaller town makes a mockery of Christchurch's small ambitions.
I'm not surprised it isn't difficult to get tickets to sit at league park to freeze at night. We're talking about a new inner-city stadium that won't be replaced for decades.
@antipodean and that might be the difference
my experience in chch was you were either a rugby fan that was happy to go to the stadium to watch or you weren't. I never really got met many people that didn't go and would have if it was a better stadium, after the initial novelty that im sure will come with the stadium when it first opens og course.
im sure there are some but i never met many and so im much more inclined to look at the crowds they currently get and then add a bit
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@antipodean and that might be the difference
my experience in chch was you were either a rugby fan that was happy to go to the stadium to watch or you weren't. I never really got met many people that didn't go and would have if it was a better stadium, after the initial novelty that im sure will come with the stadium when it first opens og course.
im sure there are some but i never met many and so im much more inclined to look at the crowds they currently get and then add a bit
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@antipodean and that might be the difference
my experience in chch was you were either a rugby fan that was happy to go to the stadium to watch or you weren't. I never really got met many people that didn't go and would have if it was a better stadium, after the initial novelty that im sure will come with the stadium when it first opens og course.
im sure there are some but i never met many and so im much more inclined to look at the crowds they currently get and then add a bit
One aspect is that newer stadiums are generally more comfortable and kid friendly. May entice some people that are on the fence to come to more games if they aren't freezing to death and queuing forever for food and toilets.
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I'll just point out people are much more likely to utilise a stadium that is well serviced by supporting infrastructure (pubs, restaurants, etc.), easily accessible and one where you don't need to wear a doona to watch a game.
For example there are people who simply won't go to watch the Brumbies because of the stadium.
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look, your right, there will be people that dont go or dont go as often as they might because of the current stadium.
for me jumping the day to day capacity from 18k at the current one to 25k might well address that for the majority of games
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one area where i think they have missed an opportunity is the ability to grow/expand the stadium in the future
My football club in the UK has just built a new stadium, the current capacity is 9k and that is based on where we are in the football pyramid. is has been designed and built in a way in which it can be increased to 22k, so all the foundations have been laid to take these larger stands so any works are above ground and so easier to forecast/plan and price down the track, less unknowns
Im on a construction forum too and the stadium/arenas area has examples where stands are being designed to allow for a second tier to be added on some stands to allow for relatively easier construction down the track
That might have been an approach to help find a middle ground, allow room for growth if christchurch/canterbury grows bigger than they currently believe
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Are we sort of at the point where they should ignore the numbers and just build a great, modern 45,000 seat stadium?
@mariner4life said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Are we sort of at the point where they should ignore the numbers and just build a great, modern 45,000 seat stadium?
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I'll just point out people are much more likely to utilise a stadium that is well serviced by supporting infrastructure (pubs, restaurants, etc.), easily accessible and one where you don't need to wear a doona to watch a game.
For example there are people who simply won't go to watch the Brumbies because of the stadium.
@antipodean said in Stadium of Canterbury:
I'll just point out people are much more likely to utilise a stadium that is well serviced by supporting infrastructure (pubs, restaurants, etc.), easily accessible and one where you don't need to wear a doona to watch a game.
For example there are people who simply won't go to watch the Brumbies because of the stadium.
They play at GIO with the Raiders, yeah? I took my kid to a Raiders game v the Warriors a while back and we loved it - that middle concourse was really good for getting around the ground, and the free bus home was good (though we had to keep quiet as the Warriors had managed an unthinkable/unbelievable come-from-behind win)
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@antipodean said in Stadium of Canterbury:
I'll just point out people are much more likely to utilise a stadium that is well serviced by supporting infrastructure (pubs, restaurants, etc.), easily accessible and one where you don't need to wear a doona to watch a game.
For example there are people who simply won't go to watch the Brumbies because of the stadium.
They play at GIO with the Raiders, yeah? I took my kid to a Raiders game v the Warriors a while back and we loved it - that middle concourse was really good for getting around the ground, and the free bus home was good (though we had to keep quiet as the Warriors had managed an unthinkable/unbelievable come-from-behind win)
@voodoo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@antipodean said in Stadium of Canterbury:
I'll just point out people are much more likely to utilise a stadium that is well serviced by supporting infrastructure (pubs, restaurants, etc.), easily accessible and one where you don't need to wear a doona to watch a game.
For example there are people who simply won't go to watch the Brumbies because of the stadium.
They play at GIO with the Raiders, yeah? I took my kid to a Raiders game v the Warriors a while back and we loved it - that middle concourse was really good for getting around the ground, and the free bus home was good (though we had to keep quiet as the Warriors had managed an unthinkable/unbelievable come-from-behind win)
a day game?
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@voodoo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@antipodean said in Stadium of Canterbury:
I'll just point out people are much more likely to utilise a stadium that is well serviced by supporting infrastructure (pubs, restaurants, etc.), easily accessible and one where you don't need to wear a doona to watch a game.
For example there are people who simply won't go to watch the Brumbies because of the stadium.
They play at GIO with the Raiders, yeah? I took my kid to a Raiders game v the Warriors a while back and we loved it - that middle concourse was really good for getting around the ground, and the free bus home was good (though we had to keep quiet as the Warriors had managed an unthinkable/unbelievable come-from-behind win)
a day game?
@rapido said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@voodoo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@antipodean said in Stadium of Canterbury:
I'll just point out people are much more likely to utilise a stadium that is well serviced by supporting infrastructure (pubs, restaurants, etc.), easily accessible and one where you don't need to wear a doona to watch a game.
For example there are people who simply won't go to watch the Brumbies because of the stadium.
They play at GIO with the Raiders, yeah? I took my kid to a Raiders game v the Warriors a while back and we loved it - that middle concourse was really good for getting around the ground, and the free bus home was good (though we had to keep quiet as the Warriors had managed an unthinkable/unbelievable come-from-behind win)
a day game?
I was going to ask the same. OK stadium on a sunny day. Once that cold breeze hits in the evening you want to make sure you are rugged up like you are about to retrace the steps of Shackleton.
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@voodoo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@antipodean said in Stadium of Canterbury:
I'll just point out people are much more likely to utilise a stadium that is well serviced by supporting infrastructure (pubs, restaurants, etc.), easily accessible and one where you don't need to wear a doona to watch a game.
For example there are people who simply won't go to watch the Brumbies because of the stadium.
They play at GIO with the Raiders, yeah? I took my kid to a Raiders game v the Warriors a while back and we loved it - that middle concourse was really good for getting around the ground, and the free bus home was good (though we had to keep quiet as the Warriors had managed an unthinkable/unbelievable come-from-behind win)
a day game?
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@voodoo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@antipodean said in Stadium of Canterbury:
I'll just point out people are much more likely to utilise a stadium that is well serviced by supporting infrastructure (pubs, restaurants, etc.), easily accessible and one where you don't need to wear a doona to watch a game.
For example there are people who simply won't go to watch the Brumbies because of the stadium.
They play at GIO with the Raiders, yeah? I took my kid to a Raiders game v the Warriors a while back and we loved it - that middle concourse was really good for getting around the ground, and the free bus home was good (though we had to keep quiet as the Warriors had managed an unthinkable/unbelievable come-from-behind win)
a day game?
@rapido said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@voodoo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@antipodean said in Stadium of Canterbury:
I'll just point out people are much more likely to utilise a stadium that is well serviced by supporting infrastructure (pubs, restaurants, etc.), easily accessible and one where you don't need to wear a doona to watch a game.
For example there are people who simply won't go to watch the Brumbies because of the stadium.
They play at GIO with the Raiders, yeah? I took my kid to a Raiders game v the Warriors a while back and we loved it - that middle concourse was really good for getting around the ground, and the free bus home was good (though we had to keep quiet as the Warriors had managed an unthinkable/unbelievable come-from-behind win)
a day game?
It's a wind swept concrete hole in the ground. It has overpriced shit food. Overpriced shit beer. There's no bars, pubs, restaurants anywhere near it. If you're there for a night game after Anzac Day, it is miserable. The concourse is a homage to Midnight Express so the insane can wander around to keep warm.
