Stadium of Canterbury
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and as for the bonds, it's only $1,000 per person, assuming everyone participates from Canterbury region. mind you, that stretches from near Ward to the Waitaki.
Stadium economics don't stack up. Just a reminder, if you want to return 6% on the spend (to allow for upkeep, capital costs, etc), you need to generate $40M profit a year. Which is selling out a 30,000 seat stadium 27 times a year for a $50 profit over operating costs. And that's just to return 6%.
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Just build some stands around a rugby field. Forget about a roof and indoor concerts etc
The locals are used to the conditions in winter. Plus the elements are part of the home ground advantage for when a team like the Reds visit
@Duluth said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Just build some stands around a rugby field. Forget about a roof and indoor concerts etc
The locals are used to the conditions in winter. Plus the elements are part of the home ground advantage for when a team like the Reds visit
couple of BBQs
Chilly Bin full of Cantab Draftfucking sorted.
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Just build some stands around a rugby field. Forget about a roof and indoor concerts etc
The locals are used to the conditions in winter. Plus the elements are part of the home ground advantage for when a team like the Reds visit
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@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
the final option, if we feel there is enough people in canterbury to justify this design...then let them pay for it, my football team in the uk raised bonds in our new stadium, i dropped a couple of grand on one...user pays
10-12 years ago you could get a 30,000 seat covered rectangular stadium for $225M.
Now it's $683M for a ... 30,000 seat covered stadium? That's not just inflation.
@nzzp in fairness, i think FoBar cost more than the official sums, there was lots of talk about deferred payments and the like...and then the public forgot about it
i mean, there is normal inflation....then there is the price of building materials in chch due to the earthquake rebuild and then COVID...and just look at that design, it is much more substantial than FoBar, depending on if you consider the zoo permanent its only 18000 permanent seats. The zoo might always be up but its still scaffold that would be a lot more expensive to replicate along the lines of the two other stands
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@Duluth said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Just build some stands around a rugby field. Forget about a roof and indoor concerts etc
The locals are used to the conditions in winter. Plus the elements are part of the home ground advantage for when a team like the Reds visit
couple of BBQs
Chilly Bin full of Cantab Draftfucking sorted.
@mariner4life said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Chilly Bin full of Cantab Draft
Hasn't production of CD stopped since the EQ? Locals care to inform -- google wasn't totally conclusive
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@mariner4life said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Chilly Bin full of Cantab Draft
Hasn't production of CD stopped since the EQ? Locals care to inform -- google wasn't totally conclusive
@nzzp the brewery is long gone so if they are still making it it isn;t in chch
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@nzzp in fairness, i think FoBar cost more than the official sums, there was lots of talk about deferred payments and the like...and then the public forgot about it
i mean, there is normal inflation....then there is the price of building materials in chch due to the earthquake rebuild and then COVID...and just look at that design, it is much more substantial than FoBar, depending on if you consider the zoo permanent its only 18000 permanent seats. The zoo might always be up but its still scaffold that would be a lot more expensive to replicate along the lines of the two other stands
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@nzzp in fairness, i think FoBar cost more than the office sums, there was lots of talk about deferred payments and the like...and then the public forgot about it
Good point. Best I can see is this: $266M - seems to include everything (not just construction cost)
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/be-wary-of-chch-stadium-estimates
Dunedin’s stadium history is instructive. The initial cost was put at $188 million. The final costs, including land purchases and external advice, pushed the total cost to $266 million. (The Otago Regional Council paid $37.5 million because of the perceived regional benefits of the stadium.) -
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@nzzp in fairness, i think FoBar cost more than the office sums, there was lots of talk about deferred payments and the like...and then the public forgot about it
Good point. Best I can see is this: $266M - seems to include everything (not just construction cost)
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/be-wary-of-chch-stadium-estimates
Dunedin’s stadium history is instructive. The initial cost was put at $188 million. The final costs, including land purchases and external advice, pushed the total cost to $266 million. (The Otago Regional Council paid $37.5 million because of the perceived regional benefits of the stadium.)@nzzp i thought i had heard over $300m but cant be bothered to look...still well short of $600m
looking back FoBarr is a pretty good design, two free standing stands, the ends are bolted on, roof is connected to the main stand but not structurally, the two big columns in the corners hold up that side, could have been built pretty much the same without the roof if budget had changed
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just build SoFi Stadium and steal every single event that comes to NZ, including every big test.
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@Duluth Hard to imagine that the South Island can sustain two international match suitable stadiums. There are only two in the North Island. Need to be realistic and go for a mid-sized regional centre rugby venue.
@Tim said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Need to be realistic and go for a mid-sized regional centre rugby venue.
Which is eminently suitable given Christchurch is a mid-sized regional centre.
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It’s time for a good dose of CGI. Make the stadium affordable with 5000 seats and add the other 30000 spectators with computer graphics.
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@mariner4life said in Stadium of Canterbury:
this is not getting built. The Council don't want it, and now they have the perfect out, and they'll let the public make the decision for them.
11 years and still not built. Now the price is likely too high. So sadly you might be right.
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@kiwi_expat said in Stadium of Canterbury:
https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/v2338d/lancaster_park_christchurch_in_2010/
ah, the nostalgia...
I didn't like the refurbished Lancaster Park. I went to a test shortly after it opened and I felt too far away from the action. Also, even though it was a decent crowd, it seemed something was missing from the atmosphere. The whole stadium had a weird feel to me. I reckon it would have been a half arsed flop if it hadn't been damaged beyond repair.
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@kiwi_expat said in Stadium of Canterbury:
https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/v2338d/lancaster_park_christchurch_in_2010/
ah, the nostalgia...
I didn't like the refurbished Lancaster Park. I went to a test shortly after it opened and I felt too far away from the action. Also, even though it was a decent crowd, it seemed something was missing from the atmosphere. The whole stadium had a weird feel to me. I reckon it would have been a half arsed flop if it hadn't been damaged beyond repair.
@Crazy-Horse always thought the view, even from the top deck, was surprisingly good.
The thing i wasnt a huge fan of was how open it was, not as in a roof over the pitch....but even the stands were only partially covered, the bottom deck was almost completely uncovered, and the ends were just open to nothing, a bit of structure (like the current one has) at either end would have been good
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It's bizarre how NZ just does not do stadiums without a whole lot of pussying around. Christchurch is going to end up with something very underwhelming I fear. Probably a cheap upgrade to the one at Addington knowing NZ.
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It's bizarre how NZ just does not do stadiums without a whole lot of pussying around. Christchurch is going to end up with something very underwhelming I fear. Probably a cheap upgrade to the one at Addington knowing NZ.
@Crazy-Horse said in Stadium of Canterbury:
It's bizarre how NZ just does not do stadiums without a whole lot of pussying around. Christchurch is going to end up with something very underwhelming I fear. Probably a cheap upgrade to the one at Addington knowing NZ.
A very good point here is how times are changing, live sport doesn't have the draw it used to. Conversely there is the feel good factor
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@Crazy-Horse said in Stadium of Canterbury:
It's bizarre how NZ just does not do stadiums without a whole lot of pussying around. Christchurch is going to end up with something very underwhelming I fear. Probably a cheap upgrade to the one at Addington knowing NZ.
A very good point here is how times are changing, live sport doesn't have the draw it used to. Conversely there is the feel good factor
@Machpants said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Crazy-Horse said in Stadium of Canterbury:
It's bizarre how NZ just does not do stadiums without a whole lot of pussying around. Christchurch is going to end up with something very underwhelming I fear. Probably a cheap upgrade to the one at Addington knowing NZ.
A very good point here is how times are changing, live sport doesn't have the draw it used to. Conversely there is the feel good factor
i think the other side of things is elsewhere in the world, outside NZ and Aus, countries might have one national stadium that is owned by local or central government....but otherwise theyre privately owned by the sporting organisation that uses them or by the club/team
kiwis also expect a lot..ballarat has over 100k population, so not much smaller than dunedin....ya dont see a 18k-30k covered stadium there
