Blues 2017
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@taniwharugby said in Blues 2017:
@SammyC Stratton was one of the best players on the park in the Baabaa/Lions game.
Sam Nock is turning 21 soon, and as @KiwiMurph says above is making improvements, he has plenty of time, although with his injuries hasnt really had a decent period to make consistent appearances and press Pulu who has been very up and down.
YeahI think Nock is going to be good in time.... however a Nock/ Otere Black combination is pretty young and inexperienced at present.
I think Stratton would be great paired up with Black, would take some of the pressure off him from a game management point of view.
@SammyC said in Blues 2017:
@taniwharugby said in Blues 2017:
@SammyC Stratton was one of the best players on the park in the Baabaa/Lions game.
Sam Nock is turning 21 soon, and as @KiwiMurph says above is making improvements, he has plenty of time, although with his injuries hasnt really had a decent period to make consistent appearances and press Pulu who has been very up and down.
YeahI think Nock is going to be good in time.... however a Nock/ Otere Black combination is pretty young and inexperienced at present.
I think Stratton would be great paired up with Black, would take some of the pressure off him from a game management point of view.
Wouldnt a Stratton-Black pairing be just an iinexperienced as a Nock-Black pairing?
I'd like to see Milo-Harris in the Auckland setup this year - watching Jono Hickey is like torture.
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@SammyC said in Blues 2017:
@taniwharugby said in Blues 2017:
@SammyC Stratton was one of the best players on the park in the Baabaa/Lions game.
Sam Nock is turning 21 soon, and as @KiwiMurph says above is making improvements, he has plenty of time, although with his injuries hasnt really had a decent period to make consistent appearances and press Pulu who has been very up and down.
YeahI think Nock is going to be good in time.... however a Nock/ Otere Black combination is pretty young and inexperienced at present.
I think Stratton would be great paired up with Black, would take some of the pressure off him from a game management point of view.
Wouldnt a Stratton-Black pairing be just an iinexperienced as a Nock-Black pairing?
I'd like to see Milo-Harris in the Auckland setup this year - watching Jono Hickey is like torture.
@KiwiMurph said in Blues 2017:
@SammyC said in Blues 2017:
@taniwharugby said in Blues 2017:
@SammyC Stratton was one of the best players on the park in the Baabaa/Lions game.
Sam Nock is turning 21 soon, and as @KiwiMurph says above is making improvements, he has plenty of time, although with his injuries hasnt really had a decent period to make consistent appearances and press Pulu who has been very up and down.
YeahI think Nock is going to be good in time.... however a Nock/ Otere Black combination is pretty young and inexperienced at present.
I think Stratton would be great paired up with Black, would take some of the pressure off him from a game management point of view.
Wouldnt a Stratton-Black pairing be just an iinexperienced as a Nock-Black pairing?
I think Stratton is far more advanced from a game management perspective.. As I mentioned earlier he's a real leader at club level. Captains and steers his team around the park.
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@SammyC said in Blues 2017:
@taniwharugby said in Blues 2017:
@SammyC Stratton was one of the best players on the park in the Baabaa/Lions game.
Sam Nock is turning 21 soon, and as @KiwiMurph says above is making improvements, he has plenty of time, although with his injuries hasnt really had a decent period to make consistent appearances and press Pulu who has been very up and down.
YeahI think Nock is going to be good in time.... however a Nock/ Otere Black combination is pretty young and inexperienced at present.
I think Stratton would be great paired up with Black, would take some of the pressure off him from a game management point of view.
Wouldnt a Stratton-Black pairing be just an iinexperienced as a Nock-Black pairing?
I'd like to see Milo-Harris in the Auckland setup this year - watching Jono Hickey is like torture.
@KiwiMurph Man, I wish that Auckland Rugby would do some fan engagement. Like a weekly video on club rugby highlights, and the coaches talking about performances or players to watch out for.
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@KiwiMurph said in Blues 2017:
@SammyC said in Blues 2017:
@taniwharugby said in Blues 2017:
@SammyC Stratton was one of the best players on the park in the Baabaa/Lions game.
Sam Nock is turning 21 soon, and as @KiwiMurph says above is making improvements, he has plenty of time, although with his injuries hasnt really had a decent period to make consistent appearances and press Pulu who has been very up and down.
YeahI think Nock is going to be good in time.... however a Nock/ Otere Black combination is pretty young and inexperienced at present.
I think Stratton would be great paired up with Black, would take some of the pressure off him from a game management point of view.
Wouldnt a Stratton-Black pairing be just an iinexperienced as a Nock-Black pairing?
I think Stratton is far more advanced from a game management perspective.. As I mentioned earlier he's a real leader at club level. Captains and steers his team around the park.
@SammyC although in this case, with Nock being at the Blues, he doesnt get to play for his club much (which is where eh would probably learn a shitload too) if at all, and he was an age group captain too wasnt he, so he has the tools, just needs to use them in the big boys club!
Would think if he remains uninjured, he should really push Pulu next season though.
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@KiwiMurph Man, I wish that Auckland Rugby would do some fan engagement. Like a weekly video on club rugby highlights, and the coaches talking about performances or players to watch out for.
@Tim said in Blues 2017:
@KiwiMurph Man, I wish that Auckland Rugby would do some fan engagement. Like a weekly video on club rugby highlights, and the coaches talking about performances or players to watch out for.
The time and effort put into the Auckland Rugby's secondary schools youtube channel would be better spent on club rugby
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@SammyC although in this case, with Nock being at the Blues, he doesnt get to play for his club much (which is where eh would probably learn a shitload too) if at all, and he was an age group captain too wasnt he, so he has the tools, just needs to use them in the big boys club!
Would think if he remains uninjured, he should really push Pulu next season though.
@taniwharugby said in Blues 2017:
@SammyC although in this case, with Nock being at the Blues, he doesnt get to play for his club much, if at all, and he was an age group captain too wasnt he, so he has the tools, just needs to use them in the big boys club!
Bryn Hall was under 20's captain too
perhaps you could take him backI agree with you, Nock is a good player. But jeez I'd be frustrated with Pulu if I actually cared about the Blues though, he kills so much good fast ball by standing at the back of the ruck thinking about what to do.
Anyway, I'm done discussing the Blues problems. Only jumped on here because I like Stratton and feel he deserves an opportunity somewhere.
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@KiwiMurph Man, I wish that Auckland Rugby would do some fan engagement. Like a weekly video on club rugby highlights, and the coaches talking about performances or players to watch out for.
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@taniwharugby said in Blues 2017:
@SammyC although in this case, with Nock being at the Blues, he doesnt get to play for his club much, if at all, and he was an age group captain too wasnt he, so he has the tools, just needs to use them in the big boys club!
Bryn Hall was under 20's captain too
perhaps you could take him backI agree with you, Nock is a good player. But jeez I'd be frustrated with Pulu if I actually cared about the Blues though, he kills so much good fast ball by standing at the back of the ruck thinking about what to do.
Anyway, I'm done discussing the Blues problems. Only jumped on here because I like Stratton and feel he deserves an opportunity somewhere.
@SammyC ha I was just referring to your comment about being a leader and if Nock was playing club footy regularly he may also be captain and TBH I think these young guys in particular should be released back to thier clubs as often as possible to learn, but obviously super commitments takes away alot of the actual learning while playing as there is more pressure on you from the get go to perform in your 5 or 15 mins.
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@Stargazer said in Blues 2017:
@KiwiMurph If true, I hope Canes are not going to get a back-up for BB from outside its catchment.
Tiaan Falcon - we know you want to say it.
@Bovidae said in Blues 2017:
@Stargazer said in Blues 2017:
@KiwiMurph If true, I hope Canes are not going to get a back-up for BB from outside its catchment.
Tiaan Falcon - we know you want to say it.
I didn't/don't want to start a discussion about the Canes in a Blues thread, but yes, I'd like them to lock in Falcon. However, I think the step up to SR might come a bit too early for him as BB's back-up. I'd actually prefer the Canes to swap Black for West until Falcon is ready for SR. Or use Jordie in that role.
Garden-Bachop can stay where he is, and the Canes should dump the always injured TJ Va'a.
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@Chris-B. said in Blues 2017:
I think the halfback slots at the Crusaders were all contractually sewn up by the time Razor took charge, Sammy. Plus Razor seemed to prefer Enari over Stratton for Canterbury, last year.
Leon Fukofuka has barely been sighted this season, though - so I'd be pretty surprised if Enari doesn't take his spot next year. Since he's an Aucklander he'd be quite an obvious one for Tana to at least pass the ruler over.
I'd definately be happy to lose Fukofuka instead of Stratton
Although I'm not sure he's the type of halfback @Tim is wanting (one with a decent pass)
@SammyC I think Fukofuka has another year on his contract. Bryn Hall may be the one to be let go from the Crusaders next year as I'm pretty sure he's on a one year deal.
Oh, and don't act as if you don't want to discuss the Blues with us, we know you love us
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2017 Blues U18 Squad
The following 1st XV players have been selected to attend the annual Blues Under 18 schools camp at the Blues High performance facilities during the first week of the school holidays:
Auckland players:
Hayes Okesene (Kings College)
Millenium Saneviri (Kings College)
Junior Rotuva (Kings College)
Noah Perelini (Kings College)
Thorn Parkes (Kings College)
Aidan Morgan (Kings College)
Fatongia Paea (Sacred Heart College)
Sione (Taufa) Funaki (Sacred Heart College)
Lemeki Namoa (Sacred Heart College)
Zyon Holo (St Peter's College)
Kalin Felise (St Peter's College)
Paul Mohi (Aorere College)
JayJay Su'emai (Aorere College)
Mosese Pepa (Aorere College)
Saula Mau (Auckland Grammar School)
Tovo Faleafa (Auckland Grammar School)
Thomas Strachan (Auckland Grammar School)
Matt Timoko (Auckland Grammar)
Simeon Latu (Auckland Grammar)
Tamaiti Williams (St Kentigern College)
Robert Rush (St Kentigern College)
Caleb Milne (St Kentigern College)
Mitchell Gibson (St Kentigern College)
Wesley Tapueluelu (St Peter's College)
Calum McNab (St Peter's College)
Josh Wheeler (St Peter's College)
Ezra Vai (Kelston Boys High School)
Oliver Shepherd (Mt Albert Grammar School)
Jack Casey Pickering (Mt Albert Grammar School)
Terrell Peita (Mt Albert Grammar School)
John Latu (Mt Albert Grammar School)
Patrick Pati (Mt Albert Grammar School)
Harley Maynard (Mt Albert Grammar School)
TJ Ane (De La Salle College)
Lalomilo Lalomilo (De La Salle College)
Jesse Simi-Tuiala (Papatoetoe High School)
Isileli Manu (Dilworth School)
Tevita Hala (Dilworth School)
Kisi Sau (Tamaki College)
Christian Tuipulotu (St Paul's College)
Fua Schwalgar (Southern Cross Campus)North Harbour/Northland players
Finlay Brewis (Westlake BHS)
David Meki (Rosmini College)
Max Hicks (Rosmini College)
Miller Hazelman (Takapuna GS)
Simon Parker (Otamatea HS)
Lotu Inisi (Westlake BHS)
Tamarau McGahan (Rosmini College)
Brady Rush (Westlake BHS)
Bailee Katipa (Westlake BHS)
Joe Wadman (Kerikeri HS)
Josh Corrigan (Rangitoto College)
Arikitohia Hood-Kaitapu (Westlake BHS) -
Some good players in there, but as a whole, I don't think the squad is as good as past Blues U18 teams.
I've always liked the look and potential of Tevita Hala. He's a crafty little 10 who will remind you a bit of Cruden at times. He's only 16, so we'll need to wait a bit to get our hands on him.
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Parsons:
The biggest disappointment for me is that I couldn't manage to lead the boys to a performance that I felt was pretty crucial to show our club's growthThen quit the captaincy role
Both him and Umaga have 'taken responsibility'. Well what are the consequences of that?
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I'm not sure chucking the baby out with the bath water is the way to go. Whilst the Blues are an easy target this week I think looking at the big picture things arent all doom and gloom.
Hopefully the consequence of this is a response next season including the playoffs and winning NZ derbies. Failure to make the playoffs next season will see changes.
Whilst the end of the season game was horrendous the Blues only lost once (controversially) in their previous 7 games which included trips to Australia, South Africa, Samoa and a game against the Lions.
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Heard a good interview with Parsons and Darcy/Goran last night. He didn't shirk from fronting abut the performance, and purposely put aside the heats impact on things. But there seemed to a subtle undercurrent that some of the other players weren't as well prepared mentally - he kind of put that down to age/experience but that ongoing issue of mental toughness just won't go away (ask the Warriors ha!)
He backed Tana - and mentioned that Tana had fronted to the squad about misreading their level of prep. But again, a la the Warriors, where is the accountability for the players? Parsons did say that replacing a coach can be easier as it's just one person ... so that kind of pointed at some shake ups in the squad. Surely they have to make some changes with the guys that are up and down like a yoyo.
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so after Devlins rant about them in Fiji in the build up, he has now criticised them being in Japan for the time they were before the game.
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Heard a good interview with Parsons and Darcy/Goran last night. He didn't shirk from fronting abut the performance, and purposely put aside the heats impact on things. But there seemed to a subtle undercurrent that some of the other players weren't as well prepared mentally - he kind of put that down to age/experience but that ongoing issue of mental toughness just won't go away (ask the Warriors ha!)
He backed Tana - and mentioned that Tana had fronted to the squad about misreading their level of prep. But again, a la the Warriors, where is the accountability for the players? Parsons did say that replacing a coach can be easier as it's just one person ... so that kind of pointed at some shake ups in the squad. Surely they have to make some changes with the guys that are up and down like a yoyo.
@Paekakboyz said in Blues 2017:
Heard a good interview with Parsons and Darcy/Goran last night. He didn't shirk from fronting abut the performance, and purposely put aside the heats impact on things. But there seemed to a subtle undercurrent that some of the other players weren't as well prepared mentally - he kind of put that down to age/experience but that ongoing issue of mental toughness just won't go away (ask the Warriors ha!)
He backed Tana - and mentioned that Tana had fronted to the squad about misreading their level of prep. But again, a la the Warriors, where is the accountability for the players? Parsons did say that replacing a coach can be easier as it's just one person ... so that kind of pointed at some shake ups in the squad. Surely they have to make some changes with the guys that are up and down like a yoyo.
The problem with just booting out the coach (as the Blues keep finding) is that it ends up sending a message to the players that the fault lies with someone else. They get to carry on under a new coach as if they did everything OK but the bloke trying to help them do better was to blame.
Somehow you need to find a way of changing the attitudes and overall culture of the group.
JJ did it at the Highlanders with a strict 'hard workers only' policy and it took a while to sink in. Rennie found a way at the Chiefs by drawing on a cultural theme and making the Chiefs a family with everyone taking responsibility but at the same time having full support of each other. Some of the changes were small but significant e.g. I know the person that used to sort out rentals for players that didn't live full time in Hamilton. Prior to Rennie the management used to sort everything out for them. When things changed each player would front up at the real estate office each month, pay their rent, thank the staff for helping them and deal with anything else themselves.I don't know how off field stuff works at the Blues but they obviously struggle to find the right recipe for the players to gel as one consistently
