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Blues 2017

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  • DuluthD Offline
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    Duluth
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    #370

    Parsons:
    The biggest disappointment for me is that I couldn't manage to lead the boys to a performance that I felt was pretty crucial to show our club's growth

    Then quit the captaincy role

    Both him and Umaga have 'taken responsibility'. Well what are the consequences of that?

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    • KiwiMurphK Online
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      #371

      I'm not sure chucking the baby out with the bath water is the way to go. Whilst the Blues are an easy target this week I think looking at the big picture things arent all doom and gloom.

      Hopefully the consequence of this is a response next season including the playoffs and winning NZ derbies. Failure to make the playoffs next season will see changes.

      Whilst the end of the season game was horrendous the Blues only lost once (controversially) in their previous 7 games which included trips to Australia, South Africa, Samoa and a game against the Lions.

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      • PaekakboyzP Offline
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        Heard a good interview with Parsons and Darcy/Goran last night. He didn't shirk from fronting abut the performance, and purposely put aside the heats impact on things. But there seemed to a subtle undercurrent that some of the other players weren't as well prepared mentally - he kind of put that down to age/experience but that ongoing issue of mental toughness just won't go away (ask the Warriors ha!)

        He backed Tana - and mentioned that Tana had fronted to the squad about misreading their level of prep. But again, a la the Warriors, where is the accountability for the players? Parsons did say that replacing a coach can be easier as it's just one person ... so that kind of pointed at some shake ups in the squad. Surely they have to make some changes with the guys that are up and down like a yoyo.

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        • taniwharugbyT Offline
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          #373

          so after Devlins rant about them in Fiji in the build up, he has now criticised them being in Japan for the time they were before the game.

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          • PaekakboyzP Paekakboyz

            Heard a good interview with Parsons and Darcy/Goran last night. He didn't shirk from fronting abut the performance, and purposely put aside the heats impact on things. But there seemed to a subtle undercurrent that some of the other players weren't as well prepared mentally - he kind of put that down to age/experience but that ongoing issue of mental toughness just won't go away (ask the Warriors ha!)

            He backed Tana - and mentioned that Tana had fronted to the squad about misreading their level of prep. But again, a la the Warriors, where is the accountability for the players? Parsons did say that replacing a coach can be easier as it's just one person ... so that kind of pointed at some shake ups in the squad. Surely they have to make some changes with the guys that are up and down like a yoyo.

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            #374

            @Paekakboyz said in Blues 2017:

            Heard a good interview with Parsons and Darcy/Goran last night. He didn't shirk from fronting abut the performance, and purposely put aside the heats impact on things. But there seemed to a subtle undercurrent that some of the other players weren't as well prepared mentally - he kind of put that down to age/experience but that ongoing issue of mental toughness just won't go away (ask the Warriors ha!)

            He backed Tana - and mentioned that Tana had fronted to the squad about misreading their level of prep. But again, a la the Warriors, where is the accountability for the players? Parsons did say that replacing a coach can be easier as it's just one person ... so that kind of pointed at some shake ups in the squad. Surely they have to make some changes with the guys that are up and down like a yoyo.

            The problem with just booting out the coach (as the Blues keep finding) is that it ends up sending a message to the players that the fault lies with someone else. They get to carry on under a new coach as if they did everything OK but the bloke trying to help them do better was to blame.

            Somehow you need to find a way of changing the attitudes and overall culture of the group.
            JJ did it at the Highlanders with a strict 'hard workers only' policy and it took a while to sink in. Rennie found a way at the Chiefs by drawing on a cultural theme and making the Chiefs a family with everyone taking responsibility but at the same time having full support of each other. Some of the changes were small but significant e.g. I know the person that used to sort out rentals for players that didn't live full time in Hamilton. Prior to Rennie the management used to sort everything out for them. When things changed each player would front up at the real estate office each month, pay their rent, thank the staff for helping them and deal with anything else themselves.

            I don't know how off field stuff works at the Blues but they obviously struggle to find the right recipe for the players to gel as one consistently

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            • taniwharugbyT Offline
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              taniwharugby
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              #375

              the other issue with the Blues (and Warriors) is so often, on paper, their teams should be contendors, so they probably arent looking in the right place for the issues.

              Have a bunch of guys that often dont look like they know one another, let alone need to be in tune and trust one another when playing rugby, which probably leads to players not being solely focussed on thier own role as they dont trust that the guy beside him will do his to the required standard.

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                @Paekakboyz said in Blues 2017:

                Heard a good interview with Parsons and Darcy/Goran last night. He didn't shirk from fronting abut the performance, and purposely put aside the heats impact on things. But there seemed to a subtle undercurrent that some of the other players weren't as well prepared mentally - he kind of put that down to age/experience but that ongoing issue of mental toughness just won't go away (ask the Warriors ha!)

                He backed Tana - and mentioned that Tana had fronted to the squad about misreading their level of prep. But again, a la the Warriors, where is the accountability for the players? Parsons did say that replacing a coach can be easier as it's just one person ... so that kind of pointed at some shake ups in the squad. Surely they have to make some changes with the guys that are up and down like a yoyo.

                The problem with just booting out the coach (as the Blues keep finding) is that it ends up sending a message to the players that the fault lies with someone else. They get to carry on under a new coach as if they did everything OK but the bloke trying to help them do better was to blame.

                Somehow you need to find a way of changing the attitudes and overall culture of the group.
                JJ did it at the Highlanders with a strict 'hard workers only' policy and it took a while to sink in. Rennie found a way at the Chiefs by drawing on a cultural theme and making the Chiefs a family with everyone taking responsibility but at the same time having full support of each other. Some of the changes were small but significant e.g. I know the person that used to sort out rentals for players that didn't live full time in Hamilton. Prior to Rennie the management used to sort everything out for them. When things changed each player would front up at the real estate office each month, pay their rent, thank the staff for helping them and deal with anything else themselves.

                I don't know how off field stuff works at the Blues but they obviously struggle to find the right recipe for the players to gel as one consistently

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                @Crucial sorry, didn't really do Parson's justice there. He pretty much said or alluded to your line of thinking. He talked quite a bit about their guys, especially the young'uns, learning about personal responsibility and staying switched on. Pretty much about being professional, full stop.

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                • KiwiMurphK Online
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                  2017 Blues Awards winners:

                  Player in the Community Award – sponsored by Nestle | Alex Hodgman

                  Development Player of the Year – sponsored by Go Media | Dalton Papalii

                  Rookie of the Year – sponsored by nib | Michael Collins (Lol)

                  Club Person of the Year – sponsored by Barfoot & Thompson | Matt Duffie

                  SKYCITY Fans’ Player of the Year | Rieko Ioane

                  BNZ Players’ Player of the Year | Steven Luatua

                  Most Valuable Player – sponsored by Bolton Equities | Steven Luatua

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                  • CrucialC Offline
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                    Crucial
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                    #378

                    What! No award for Nanai? It's a travesty I tell you!

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                    • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                      2017 Blues Awards winners:

                      Player in the Community Award – sponsored by Nestle | Alex Hodgman

                      Development Player of the Year – sponsored by Go Media | Dalton Papalii

                      Rookie of the Year – sponsored by nib | Michael Collins (Lol)

                      Club Person of the Year – sponsored by Barfoot & Thompson | Matt Duffie

                      SKYCITY Fans’ Player of the Year | Rieko Ioane

                      BNZ Players’ Player of the Year | Steven Luatua

                      Most Valuable Player – sponsored by Bolton Equities | Steven Luatua

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                      wrote on last edited by
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                      @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2017:

                      2017 Blues Awards winners:

                      Rookie of the Year – sponsored by nib | Michael Collins (Lol)

                      Rookie of the Year – sponsored by nib | Michael Collins (Lol)
                      Rookie of the Year – sponsored by nib | Michael Collins (Lol)
                      Rookie of the Year – sponsored by nib | Michael Collins (Lol)
                      Rookie of the Year – sponsored by nib | Michael Collins (Lol)

                      @Rocky-Rockbottom

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                      • DuluthD Offline
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                        #380

                        Who else could have been rookie of the year?

                        Not many players were in their first season. Of those that were, only Collins got meaningful game time

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                        • DuluthD Duluth

                          Who else could have been rookie of the year?

                          Not many players were in their first season. Of those that were, only Collins got meaningful game time

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                          Bones
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                          #381

                          @Duluth Parsons' headgear?

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                          • DuluthD Duluth

                            Who else could have been rookie of the year?

                            Not many players were in their first season. Of those that were, only Collins got meaningful game time

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                            @Duluth said in Blues 2017:

                            Who else could have been rookie of the year?

                            Not many players were in their first season. Of those that were, only Collins got meaningful game time

                            One of the new locks?
                            or just cancel the bloody thing.

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                            • pukunuiP pukunui

                              @Duluth said in Blues 2017:

                              Who else could have been rookie of the year?

                              Not many players were in their first season. Of those that were, only Collins got meaningful game time

                              One of the new locks?
                              or just cancel the bloody thing.

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                              Duluth
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                              #383

                              @pukunui

                              Both good but GCT and Scrafton are in their 2nd seasons

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                              • DuluthD Duluth

                                @pukunui

                                Both good but GCT and Scrafton are in their 2nd seasons

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                                KiwiMurph
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                                @Duluth Buzz Killington here to ruin the fun

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                                  Is that a young James Parsons? The headgear looks familiar.

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                                    @pukunui

                                    Both good but GCT and Scrafton are in their 2nd seasons

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                                    @Duluth said in Blues 2017:

                                    @pukunui

                                    Both good but GCT and Scrafton are in their 2nd seasons

                                    Had wondered that. Give it to SBW then, it was his rookie year as a Blues player after a long and successful 7's career.

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                                      @Duluth said in Blues 2017:

                                      @pukunui

                                      Both good but GCT and Scrafton are in their 2nd seasons

                                      Had wondered that. Give it to SBW then, it was his rookie year as a Blues player after a long and successful 7's career.

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                                      @pukunui said in Blues 2017:

                                      @Duluth said in Blues 2017:

                                      @pukunui

                                      Both good but GCT and Scrafton are in their 2nd seasons

                                      Had wondered that. Give it to SBW then, it was his rookie year as a Blues player after a long and successful 7's career.

                                      It was originally intended for SBW, but it's sponsored by nib, so he declined.

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                                        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11896740

                                        "I think the season has shown us that there's still a lot of improvement to be made in terms of on-field leadership and our players accept that - in fact that's what they've said in the review and many of them have said they want to put their hand up and accept more responsibility."

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                                          Upcoming, now, an interview with the Blues CEO on Radio Live

                                          http://www.radiolive.co.nz/home.player.html

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