Magpies 2017
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I've been procrastinating a bit (as I do) about our backline this season, particularly after having watched Falcon closely playing for the Canes at the Brisbane Tens, preseason games, Canes dev and U20s and NZ U20s. I think there's a real potential, for him and Lowe, to step up this season; I'm less sure about Emerson, who's mostly been playing sevens.
I'd prefer to see Falcon play 10 and not second-five, but West will still be there, so I expect Falcon will play 12.
Do we risk losing Falcon next year if he plays 12 all season? Will it harm his chances for a Canes contract? What to do with West if they move Falcon to 10?One option would be starting West at 10 and Falcon at 12, take West off in the 2nd half, move Falcon to 10 and bring on a player from the bench at 12 (Horrell, if he's signed?).
Another question is where do we play Lowe? With the return of Buckman, it looks like Lowe will play on the right wing, unless McNicol is still out with injury and they move Buckman to fullback. I assume Chase can be the stop gap wherever in the outside backs a player is needed, and otherwise good for a bench spot, but I have no clue who else has been signed. I fear for a significant lack of depth in the backline (with Fruean, Tongia, Garland & Ropiha gone). It's too early for all those Hastings Boys backs, although things are looking good for our U19s team this year.
Brad Weber will be there this season, but who will be his back-up. Wilson again? Not a bad back-up, but not great either. Eaton, don't get me started. I assume Jono Ruru will still be with Otago. Are they keeping Eaton on until that Hastings lad (Folau Fakatava) is ready? I hope not; wouldn't mind them signing Michael Ruru if he's not staying in Oz. Who else?
Any news or rumours about signings?
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Karl Lowe has completed his contract in France and is back in the Bay.
He will turn out for Clive today, and has been training with the Magpies wider-training squad and available for Magpies selection.
@Number-10 That's great news! He had an optional second year in his contract with Provence Rugby, but then he's apparently decided not to use it. Must have been hard playing in France with his family still living in the Bay. Hope he's still the good player he was a couple of years ago before he left, because I've not been impressed with Hamelink last year. His experience will be very valuable, too.
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Lots of info in the article below:
"We started three contracted players and brought another one [halfback Ellery Wilson] on ... Contracted props Mason Kean and Jason Long... Contracted winger Mason Emerson ...If this is correct, that implies that players like Jorian Tangaere, Shannon Chase, but also Chris Eaton have no contracts (yet).
A strong candidate(?):
Philpott was impressed with Hawke's Bay sevens rep Hann's contribution. "Hayden was up against better opposition tonight than he faces in club play and he didn't look out of place. With his ability to cover wing, fullback and centre he could force his way into the mix," the coach said.About Edmonds and Horrell:
Philpott said the Magpies' new scrum coach, injured Highlander Brendon Edmonds, who has replaced former All Black Campbell Johnstone, now in Spain, has done a top job. Former Chiefs utility back Andrew Horrell, who has still to shake off his concussion issues, has taken on a technical adviser's role with the Magpies. While Edmonds isn't expected to play this season Philpott said uncertainty surrounds Horrell's availability.Squad naming and prep:
The Magpies Mitre 10 Cup squad will be named on August 6. Before then there will be pre-season games against Waikato in Taupo on August 5, the same day as the Maddison Trophy final, against Manawatu in Palmerston North on August 12 and a pre-season camp in Dannevirke.http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503460&objectid=11886499
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That sounds hopeful for Edmonds - not career ending as initially feared. Would love the experience of Horrell if he is fit and able to play
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Hmmm, I'm convinced Tongia would have stayed in the Bay if the HBRU would have wanted him to, because his wife and her family are from the Bay, so IMO this can mean only one thing: the HBRU didn't want to re-sign him. They'd better have a good replacement for him, because I'm not too sure we'll see much of McNicol (again).
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Confirmation that Tolu Fahamokioa indeed won't return to the Bay. He has been named in the Wellington Lions wider training group.
Noteworthy: also named in that squad is Dan Kirkpatrick.
http://www.wellingtonlions.co.nz/news/wellington-lions-name-wider-training-squad/
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As posted in the Mitre 10 Cup thread:
Israel Dagg (end of 2019) and Tiaan Falcon (end of 2020) have re-signed with the Magpies.
http://www.sporty.co.nz/magpies/newsarticle/50516
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503460&objectid=11896065
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4 New signings:
Cardiff Vaega - centre - ex-Counties-Manukau and Southland
TJ Vaega - wing-fullback - former New Zealand Secondary Schools player who has represented the Blues and Auckland at under-20 level
Nick Palmer - lock (new Waratahs signing)
Pasqualle Dunn - midfielder - ex-AucklandConsider me not impressed.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503460&objectid=11898667
Nick Palmers' bio on Norths Rugby website: http://northsrugby.com.au/player/nick-palmer/
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4 New signings:
Cardiff Vaega - centre - ex-Counties-Manukau and Southland
TJ Vaega - wing-fullback - former New Zealand Secondary Schools player who has represented the Blues and Auckland at under-20 level
Nick Palmer - lock (new Waratahs signing)
Pasqualle Dunn - midfielder - ex-AucklandConsider me not impressed.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503460&objectid=11898667
Nick Palmers' bio on Norths Rugby website: http://northsrugby.com.au/player/nick-palmer/
meh
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From HBRU Facebook:
Exciting young talent commits to Hawke’s Bay Rugby. Outstanding young prospects, Folau Fakatava, Devon Flanders, Lincoln McClutchie and Danny Toala have committed their future to Hawke’s Bay Rugby for 2018 and 2019. Each player hails from the highly successful Hastings Boys High School First XV that finished runner up in the 2016 Top Four Schools competition and are currently unbeaten after a stellar 2017 season to date. “Folau, a Halfback, Devon, a Loose Forward, Lincoln, a First Five and Outside Back, Danny have formed the spine of the Hastings First XV over that period. Lincoln was a New Zealand Secondary Schools representative in 2016 and he along with Folau, Devon and Danny will be strong contenders for higher honours in 2017, we are delighted that they’ve committed to Hawke’s Bay Rugby.” HBRU Academy Manager, Joe Payton said today. “It means a lot to me to be signed on to the Magpies for 2018 and 2019, I grew up idolising the Magpies and now I get to be one.” Devon Flanders said today. “I’m really excited to sign with the Magpies.” Folau Fakatava said today. “This is the start of my dream, a new beginning. “ Lincoln McClutchie said today. “It’s a great experience for me to be a part of the Magpies for the next two years, it's an unreal feeling and pretty exciting to play with some experienced players that I didn't think I would be playing with.” Danny Toala said today.I assume this is also an article in the HBT today, but not online yet.
Great signings. I assume these 4 young lads of 17-18 years old being signed for next year and the year after means they'll play for the HB U19s in 2017?
By the way, the players below were the young players signed on Academy contracts in January; I wonder what happens to the rest of them?
I'd like really like them to keep Farrell as well, but considering he's already studying in Wellington, we might lose him? Devery played in the preseason game last Saturday. Kereru-Symes is a huge talent, I hear.
Hastings Boys High School
Lincoln McClutchie (1st five 8th)
Danny Toala (fullback)
Folau Fakatava (halfback)
Jacob Devery (hooker)
Kianu Kereru-Symes (prop)Napier Boys High School
Al Momoisea (winger)
Mitch Drew (center)Victoria Uni
Will Tremain (openside flanker)
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The launch of the 2017 Mitte10 Cup and the various squads were unveiled a couple of hour ago. Sadly the composition of the HB team has so far proved impossible to be sighted on any of the various sources you search to uncover information like this. Over to you Stargazer to ferret out this information for us, hopefully prior to the first match against Southland next Saturday.
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The launch of the 2017 Mitte10 Cup and the various squads were unveiled a couple of hour ago. Sadly the composition of the HB team has so far proved impossible to be sighted on any of the various sources you search to uncover information like this. Over to you Stargazer to ferret out this information for us, hopefully prior to the first match against Southland next Saturday.
@Higgins Yep, if the Canes weren't so good in keeping their fans informed, I would have thought it's a Hurricanes region thing to be late publishing their squad lists. Only teams that haven't been announced yet are the Magpies, Lions & Turbos. (Ignoring Southland here).
Anyway, Mrs SG might be able to make it to the preseason game in Palmy on Friday. If we don't know the squad by then, I'll instruct her to squeeze the list out of the smallest HBRU staff member or Magpie she can get her hands on. Weber, West & Emerson will have to watch their back!
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Michael Allardice
Jarvy Aoake
Mark Braidwood
Richard Buckman
Geoff Cridge
Israel Dagg
Ash Dixon
Pasqualle Dunn - midfield
Mason Emerson
Gareth Evans
Tiaan Falcon
Timothy Farrell - prop
Matthew Gardner - loose forward
Hayden Hann - midfield
Mason Kean
Tony Lamborn
Jason Long
Jonah Lowe
Ben May
Sam McNicol - outside back
Marino Mikaele Tu’u
Nick Palmer - lock
Pouri Rakete-Stones - prop
Hugh Renton
Brodie Retallick
Fa’alemiga Selesele
Cardiff Vaega - midfield
Brad Weber
Ihaia West
Ellery WilsonNew caps in bold
Local new caps
Tim Farrell - NZ U20/Tech OB
Matthew Gardner - Napier OB Marist
Hayden Hann - Pirates
Pouri Rakete-Stones - NZ U20/Pirates
