Magpies 2017
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Michael Allardice
Jarvy Aoake
Mark Braidwood
Richard Buckman
Geoff Cridge
Israel Dagg
Ash Dixon
Pasqualle Dunn - midfield
Mason Emerson
Gareth Evans
Tiaan Falcon
Timothy Farrell - prop
Matthew Gardner - loose forward
Hayden Hann - midfield
Mason Kean
Tony Lamborn
Jason Long
Jonah Lowe
Ben May
Sam McNicol - outside back
Marino Mikaele Tu’u
Nick Palmer - lock
Pouri Rakete-Stones - prop
Hugh Renton
Brodie Retallick
Fa’alemiga Selesele
Cardiff Vaega - midfield
Brad Weber
Ihaia West
Ellery WilsonNew caps in bold
Local new caps
Tim Farrell - NZ U20/Tech OB
Matthew Gardner - Napier OB Marist
Hayden Hann - Pirates
Pouri Rakete-Stones - NZ U20/Pirates@Number-10 Cheers for that! Now, where was this published? Thought I'd looked at every possible site haha. Or not officially published yet?
No real surprises, with the 4 latest signings already published 4 days ago.
Compared to previous years, we see the return of Mark Braidwood & Richard Buckman; and the omission of Shannan Chase, Chris Eaton & Ben Hamelink. Unfortunately, no Karl Lowe. Biggest surprise to me: no Jorian Tangaere.
Last year, 21 forwards, this year 18. Last year 15 backs, this year 12. Are they all healthy now? McNicol, too?
I guess Eaton or whoever is the first choice halfback for the Saracens will be on the bench the first few rounds. Weber said in that Mitre 10 Cup video (which I posted in the main Mitre 10 Cup thread) that he'd probably play again in round 3 or 4.Props: Aoake, Braidwood, Farrell, Kean, Long, May, Rakete-Stones
Hookers: Dixon, no second specialist hooker??????
Lock: Allardice, Cridge, Palmer, Retallick (won't play)
Loosies: Evans, Gardner, Lamborn, Mikaele-Tu'u (no 8 ), Renton, Selesele (no 8 )Halfbacks: Weber, Wilson
First-fives: Falcon, West
Midfield: Dunn, Hann, Vaega
Outside backs: Dagg (won't play), Emerson, McNicol
Utility: Buckman, LoweWho of the props will become the reserve hooker with Tangaere not there? Looking at that list, my guess is Rakete-Stones.
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No Chris Eaton but, on the other hand, two under 20s props does leave me a little nervous. Also who will be the starting specialist openside flanker? TJ Vaega did not last long, what's behind his omission?
@Higgins said in Magpies 2017:
No Chris Eaton but, on the other hand, two under 20s props does leave me a little nervous. Also who will be the starting specialist openside flanker? TJ Vaega did not last long, what's behind his omission?
Agree with what you say about the props. Add to that Mason Kean, who's also still a rookie at this level.
My guess for specialist openside would be Renton.
I expect TJ Vaega to be named in the Saracens. Not sure how old he is, but he was in the Blues U20s this year, so still very young. -
Some of the players virtually have their own keys to the local ACC office they are injured so often and for so long meaning a good number of the others look like they will be putting in some long shifts without much rest if the injuries carry on.
Forgive me but who amongst this lot is a specialist fullback? I know The Barracuda is pretty versatile but his skills and abilities would be better utilized elsewhere. I am worried about there being a kicking option out of defense from the back should Israel Dagg not be available.
Looks like the first couple of games will have to be a look see to get a gauge on how well will go considering the misgivings I have at the moment.
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Some of the players virtually have their own keys to the local ACC office they are injured so often and for so long meaning a good number of the others look like they will be putting in some long shifts without much rest if the injuries carry on.
Forgive me but who amongst this lot is a specialist fullback? I know The Barracuda is pretty versatile but his skills and abilities would be better utilized elsewhere. I am worried about there being a kicking option out of defense from the back should Israel Dagg not be available.
Looks like the first couple of games will have to be a look see to get a gauge on how well will go considering the misgivings I have at the moment.
@Higgins The list also looks incomplete. Only 30 players. Unless I'm no longer able to count, most squads have 18 forwards and 14 backs (total of 32 players). So it looks like there should be two more backs?
About the fullback: I guess McNicol will play fullback, and Falcon and Buckman are covering? Falcon mentioned in an interview recently something about playing fullback. Unless one of those "missing" backs is a fullback. TJ Vaega can - according to google - also play fullback.
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Squad is taken from today's released Mitre 10 Cup Media guide
http://files.allblacks.com/NZRU_Media_Releases/2017/ALL_2017_M10C_SQUADS.pdf
The list is fully contracted players - other players can, of course, be brought in on match contracts, and as the guide says can be altered.
There will have to be at least one addition - Ellery Wilson is out for the rest of the season which means either of Chris Eaton or Zac Donaldson will take his place. In fact both might be there until Brad Weber returns.
I believe Mason Kean can play hooker. Although am surprised Jorian Tangaere is not apparently there.
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I am imagining this, or is McNicoll out for the whole provincial season with his head knock again?
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Disappointed to see Selesele in ahead of Penitito. Hopefully Mikaele Tu’u is the #1 choice at #8
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Disappointed to see Selesele in ahead of Penitito. Hopefully Mikaele Tu’u is the #1 choice at #8
@Stockcar86 Selesele was signed for two years, last year, so I guess he was an automatic selection? Or does a contract not guarantee selection in the squad (for an experienced player)?
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Squad is taken from today's released Mitre 10 Cup Media guide
http://files.allblacks.com/NZRU_Media_Releases/2017/ALL_2017_M10C_SQUADS.pdf
The list is fully contracted players - other players can, of course, be brought in on match contracts, and as the guide says can be altered.
There will have to be at least one addition - Ellery Wilson is out for the rest of the season which means either of Chris Eaton or Zac Donaldson will take his place. In fact both might be there until Brad Weber returns.
I believe Mason Kean can play hooker. Although am surprised Jorian Tangaere is not apparently there.
@Number-10 Thank you. I was afraid that Wilson's injury was bad after seeing him with crutches after the club final.
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@Higgins The list also looks incomplete. Only 30 players. Unless I'm no longer able to count, most squads have 18 forwards and 14 backs (total of 32 players). So it looks like there should be two more backs?
About the fullback: I guess McNicol will play fullback, and Falcon and Buckman are covering? Falcon mentioned in an interview recently something about playing fullback. Unless one of those "missing" backs is a fullback. TJ Vaega can - according to google - also play fullback.
@Stargazer said in Magpies 2017:
@Higgins The list also looks incomplete. Only 30 players. Unless I'm no longer able to count, most squads have 18 forwards and 14 backs (total of 32 players). So it looks like there should be two more backs?
About the fullback: I guess McNicol will play fullback, and Falcon and Buckman are covering? Falcon mentioned in an interview recently something about playing fullback. Unless one of those "missing" backs is a fullback. TJ Vaega can - according to google - also play fullback.
Surely the people being paid good money to organise things would have been able to come up with a full squad by now. I mean they have only had the best part of ten months to achieve this yet here we are, less than two weeks prior to the first match, they might still be trying to find a couple of players to fill out their squad. Questions must be asked why TJ Vaega who was paraded to the local press as a contracted player but come squad announcement time his name is nowhere to be seen. Has he been ditched already or did he ask for a release from his contract? Either way something has happened very quickly.
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In this morning's HB Today there are two more names in the squad:
Jacob Devery
TJ VaegaSo the full 32-man squad is:
Michael Allardice
Jarvy Aoake
Mark Braidwood
Richard Buckman
Geoff Cridge
Israel Dagg
Jacob Devery - hooker
Ash Dixon
Pasqualle Dunn - midfield
Mason Emerson
Gareth Evans
Tiaan Falcon
Timothy Farrell - prop
Matthew Gardner - loose forward
Hayden Hann - midfield
Mason Kean
Tony Lamborn
Jason Long
Jonah Lowe
Ben May
Sam McNicol - outside back
Marino Mikaele Tu’u
Nick Palmer - lock
Pouri Rakete-Stones - prop
Hugh Renton
Brodie Retallick
Fa’alemiga Selesele
Cardiff Vaega - midfield
TJ Vaega - outside back
Brad Weber
Ihaia West
Ellery WilsonNew Caps in Bold
Local new caps
Jacob Devery - Hastings RS
Tim Farrell - NZ U20/Tech OB
Matthew Gardner - Napier OB Marist
Hayden Hann - Pirates
Pouri Rakete-Stones - NZ U20/PiratesHalfbacks Brad Weber and Ellery Wilson will apparently miss the first three and six weeks respectively so Chris Eaton and Zac Donaldson are added to the squad as injury cover.
And it seems Sam McNicol is available.
Karl Lowe was not considered as has only played a couple of games after an injury layoff.
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Here's the article in the HBT.
I hope they name Karl Lowe in the Saracens (although he doesn't need the "development"), so they can still call him up if/when needed. The way our players have been dropping like flies in previous years, I'd like him to be available.
I don't agree with the reason for not including him, by the way. He'd add experience that's invaluable in a squad with so many rookies. You could clearly see that in the club rugby final. He had a massive game!I also hope Buckman & particularly Evans can stay fit and healthy this year. Evans has been so unlucky since moving back from Otago. Bucky also missed the most important (last) games of 2015.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503460&objectid=11900391
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My first attempt at a line-up (assuming everyone fit, except Farrell, Weber and Wilson):
1 Long
2 Dixon
3 May
4 Cridge
5 Allardice
6 Evans
7 Renton
8 Mikaele-Tu'u
9 Eaton
10 West
11 Emerson
12 Falcon
13 Buckman
14 Lowe
15 McNicolReserves:
16 Devery
17 Rakete-Stones (he can play TH and LH, can't he?)
18 Aoake
19 Palmer
20 Lamborn, with Evans covering 7 & 8
21 Donaldson
22 C Vaega, with Falcon covering first-five
23 Pasqualle Dunn with Buckman covering wing & fullbackIf McNicol is not available yet, I assume Buckman will start at fullback, with Dunn at centre and TJ Vaega on the bench?
What do you guys think?
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That starting 15 is what I would like to see as well
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My first attempt at a line-up (assuming everyone fit, except Farrell, Weber and Wilson):
1 Long
2 Dixon
3 May
4 Cridge
5 Allardice
6 Evans
7 Renton
8 Mikaele-Tu'u
9 Eaton
10 West
11 Emerson
12 Falcon
13 Buckman
14 Lowe
15 McNicolReserves:
16 Devery
17 Rakete-Stones (he can play TH and LH, can't he?)
18 Aoake
19 Palmer
20 Lamborn, with Evans covering 7 & 8
21 Donaldson
22 C Vaega, with Falcon covering first-five
23 Pasqualle Dunn with Buckman covering wing & fullbackIf McNicol is not available yet, I assume Buckman will start at fullback, with Dunn at centre and TJ Vaega on the bench?
What do you guys think?
@Stargazer said in Magpies 2017:
My first attempt at a line-up (assuming everyone fit, except Farrell, Weber and Wilson):
1 Long
2 Dixon
3 May
4 Cridge
5 Allardice
6 Evans
7 Renton
8 Mikaele-Tu'u
9 Eaton
10 West
11 Emerson
12 Falcon
13 Buckman
14 Lowe
15 McNicolReserves:
16 Devery
17 Rakete-Stones (he can play TH and LH, can't he?)
18 Aoake
19 Palmer
20 Lamborn, with Evans covering 7 & 8
21 Donaldson
22 C Vaega, with Falcon covering first-five
23 Pasqualle Dunn with Buckman covering wing & fullbackIf McNicol is not available yet, I assume Buckman will start at fullback, with Dunn at centre and TJ Vaega on the bench?
What do you guys think?
I'd go with Weber instead of Eaton at scrumhalf. BTW, where is Riccitelli ?
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The fallout from yesterday's pre-season defeat to Manawatu continues.
Matthew Gardner suffered a broken arm and is out for the rest of the season. Does this mean Ben Hamelink is back in?
Jonah Lowe was a late withdrawl with a foot stress fracture and will miss a "significant part of the Cup campaign".
Chris Eaton injured his groin during the game and will likely miss the opening game against Southland. With Ellery Wilson and Brad Weber still out, this means Dev Team halfbacks Zac Donaldson and Jayden Rihia are likely to play against Southland.
