All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.
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@Frank said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Julian Savea's charmed life continues.
I don't see how it's a charmed life when you look at his stats.
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Jules will go alright but I just thought Naholo might've held a little bit more pace and mystery.
All good though. I expect the sissies to make this a hard fought game
@Siam said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Jules will go alright but I just thought Naholo might've held a little bit more pace and mystery.
All good though. I expect the sissies to make this a hard fought game
Totally unintentional, spellchecker thingee turned Aussie into that...bless it
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@Bones I go back on forth on Julian Savea. To me he fails the "eye" test of a winger because he doesn't make the most of opportunities he's given. He still scores tries, but very few any more are where he actually turns a half chance into a try - which is where many people perceive that Naholo's advantage lies (not that we've seen a great deal of it yet). Savea is still quite effective a gaining metres after contact.
On the other hand, Dagg is scoring tries the same way, by finishing. Our wingers are scoring tries as finishers, usually simply due to numbers and the work of the other 14. We are no longer reliant on a broken tackle for a try as we were in the Lomu-Cullen era, we simply work the ball around and our superior off loading, handling, option taking and eye for space gets us tries.
To me here's a good chance Julian Savea's there because Naholo hasn't stayed fit enough to have an extended run at the jersey, and because NMS is injured. You might even say Rieko Ioane or some unknown is a threat to Savea's longevity. Next year is probably a better indication of whether he'll be a long term All Black (it's a ruthless game for wingers) as NMS returns and Naholo develops or busts.
@Tregaskis I've already posted his stats twice. He's doing a lot more than just making the odd few metres in contact.
I agree he doesn't look quite like the confident blockbuster we expect, but for some reason people are judging him on some weird level where everything is ignored unless he makes a mistake.
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@Tregaskis I've already posted his stats twice. He's doing a lot more than just making the odd few metres in contact.
I agree he doesn't look quite like the confident blockbuster we expect, but for some reason people are judging him on some weird level where everything is ignored unless he makes a mistake.
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@Tregaskis I've already posted his stats twice. He's doing a lot more than just making the odd few metres in contact.
I agree he doesn't look quite like the confident blockbuster we expect, but for some reason people are judging him on some weird level where everything is ignored unless he makes a mistake.
@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Tregaskis I've already posted his stats twice. He's doing a lot more than just making the odd few metres in contact.
I agree he doesn't look quite like the confident blockbuster we expect, but for some reason people are judging him on some weird level where everything is ignored unless he makes a mistake.
He's become exactly what Joe Rokokoko became. How the fuck does Bryan Habana stay at the top so long ? I guess doing nothing but hunt for intercepts isn't too taxing on the body long term.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Tregaskis I've already posted his stats twice. He's doing a lot more than just making the odd few metres in contact.
I agree he doesn't look quite like the confident blockbuster we expect, but for some reason people are judging him on some weird level where everything is ignored unless he makes a mistake.
He's become exactly what Joe Rokokoko became. How the fuck does Bryan Habana stay at the top so long ? I guess doing nothing but hunt for intercepts isn't too taxing on the body long term.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Tregaskis I've already posted his stats twice. He's doing a lot more than just making the odd few metres in contact.
I agree he doesn't look quite like the confident blockbuster we expect, but for some reason people are judging him on some weird level where everything is ignored unless he makes a mistake.
He's become exactly what Joe Rokokoko became. How the fuck does Bryan Habana stay at the top so long ? I guess doing nothing but hunt for intercepts isn't too taxing on the body long term.
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Tregaskis I've already posted his stats twice. He's doing a lot more than just making the odd few metres in contact.
I agree he doesn't look quite like the confident blockbuster we expect, but for some reason people are judging him on some weird level where everything is ignored unless he makes a mistake.
He's become exactly what Joe Rokokoko became. How the fuck does Bryan Habana stay at the top so long ? I guess doing nothing but hunt for intercepts isn't too taxing on the body long term.
Christ on a bike. You outdo yourself every time with your rugby comments bro. That's a pearler.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Tregaskis I've already posted his stats twice. He's doing a lot more than just making the odd few metres in contact.
I agree he doesn't look quite like the confident blockbuster we expect, but for some reason people are judging him on some weird level where everything is ignored unless he makes a mistake.
He's become exactly what Joe Rokokoko became. How the fuck does Bryan Habana stay at the top so long ? I guess doing nothing but hunt for intercepts isn't too taxing on the body long term.
Christ on a bike. You outdo yourself every time with your rugby comments bro. That's a pearler.
@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Tregaskis I've already posted his stats twice. He's doing a lot more than just making the odd few metres in contact.
I agree he doesn't look quite like the confident blockbuster we expect, but for some reason people are judging him on some weird level where everything is ignored unless he makes a mistake.
He's become exactly what Joe Rokokoko became. How the fuck does Bryan Habana stay at the top so long ? I guess doing nothing but hunt for intercepts isn't too taxing on the body long term.
Christ on a bike. You outdo yourself every time with your rugby comments bro. That's a pearler.
Right, like I'm the only one on here who's mentioned Savea maybe, just maybe a bit below his best. Make sure you address all his other haters posting above with equal outrage.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Tregaskis I've already posted his stats twice. He's doing a lot more than just making the odd few metres in contact.
I agree he doesn't look quite like the confident blockbuster we expect, but for some reason people are judging him on some weird level where everything is ignored unless he makes a mistake.
He's become exactly what Joe Rokokoko became. How the fuck does Bryan Habana stay at the top so long ? I guess doing nothing but hunt for intercepts isn't too taxing on the body long term.
Christ on a bike. You outdo yourself every time with your rugby comments bro. That's a pearler.
Right, like I'm the only one on here who's mentioned Savea maybe, just maybe a bit below his best. Make sure you address all his other haters posting above with equal outrage.
Right, like I'm the only one on here who's mentioned Savea maybe, just maybe a bit below his best. Make sure you address all his other haters posting above with equal outrage.
What gets me is that he is so far below his best it's not funny. The old school, interested Savea was an absolute weapon. He's dropped back to just a very good international winger. Good, but not the superstar that he was.
When he was playing for the Canes a couple of years ago, he had an ability to just wreck a set defensive line that was ready for him. Just slipped/broke tackles and went away. Did the same for the ABs, too. Compared to that, he's a long way off right now.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Tregaskis I've already posted his stats twice. He's doing a lot more than just making the odd few metres in contact.
I agree he doesn't look quite like the confident blockbuster we expect, but for some reason people are judging him on some weird level where everything is ignored unless he makes a mistake.
He's become exactly what Joe Rokokoko became. How the fuck does Bryan Habana stay at the top so long ? I guess doing nothing but hunt for intercepts isn't too taxing on the body long term.
Christ on a bike. You outdo yourself every time with your rugby comments bro. That's a pearler.
Right, like I'm the only one on here who's mentioned Savea maybe, just maybe a bit below his best. Make sure you address all his other haters posting above with equal outrage.
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Tregaskis I've already posted his stats twice. He's doing a lot more than just making the odd few metres in contact.
I agree he doesn't look quite like the confident blockbuster we expect, but for some reason people are judging him on some weird level where everything is ignored unless he makes a mistake.
He's become exactly what Joe Rokokoko became. How the fuck does Bryan Habana stay at the top so long ? I guess doing nothing but hunt for intercepts isn't too taxing on the body long term.
Christ on a bike. You outdo yourself every time with your rugby comments bro. That's a pearler.
Right, like I'm the only one on here who's mentioned Savea maybe, just maybe a bit below his best. Make sure you address all his other haters posting above with equal outrage.
Oh yeah, that's right, the "other haters" all said he's just like Rokocoko was. I didn't realise that is your way of saying he's a bit below his best. I think most people would think of that as his form has fallen off a cliff a la Rodders. Look at his stats and his play, you're about as far off as you can get.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Tregaskis I've already posted his stats twice. He's doing a lot more than just making the odd few metres in contact.
I agree he doesn't look quite like the confident blockbuster we expect, but for some reason people are judging him on some weird level where everything is ignored unless he makes a mistake.
He's become exactly what Joe Rokokoko became. How the fuck does Bryan Habana stay at the top so long ? I guess doing nothing but hunt for intercepts isn't too taxing on the body long term.
Christ on a bike. You outdo yourself every time with your rugby comments bro. That's a pearler.
Right, like I'm the only one on here who's mentioned Savea maybe, just maybe a bit below his best. Make sure you address all his other haters posting above with equal outrage.
Oh yeah, that's right, the "other haters" all said he's just like Rokocoko was. I didn't realise that is your way of saying he's a bit below his best. I think most people would think of that as his form has fallen off a cliff a la Rodders. Look at his stats and his play, you're about as far off as you can get.
@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Tregaskis I've already posted his stats twice. He's doing a lot more than just making the odd few metres in contact.
I agree he doesn't look quite like the confident blockbuster we expect, but for some reason people are judging him on some weird level where everything is ignored unless he makes a mistake.
He's become exactly what Joe Rokokoko became. How the fuck does Bryan Habana stay at the top so long ? I guess doing nothing but hunt for intercepts isn't too taxing on the body long term.
Christ on a bike. You outdo yourself every time with your rugby comments bro. That's a pearler.
Right, like I'm the only one on here who's mentioned Savea maybe, just maybe a bit below his best. Make sure you address all his other haters posting above with equal outrage.
Oh yeah, that's right, the "other haters" all said he's just like Rokocoko was. I didn't realise that is your way of saying he's a bit below his best. I think most people would think of that as his form has fallen off a cliff a la Rodders. Look at his stats and his play, you're about as far off as you can get.
Joe R went from really dangerous to not as dangerous. Is it too much to draw a comparison between the two ?
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Tregaskis I've already posted his stats twice. He's doing a lot more than just making the odd few metres in contact.
I agree he doesn't look quite like the confident blockbuster we expect, but for some reason people are judging him on some weird level where everything is ignored unless he makes a mistake.
He's become exactly what Joe Rokokoko became. How the fuck does Bryan Habana stay at the top so long ? I guess doing nothing but hunt for intercepts isn't too taxing on the body long term.
Christ on a bike. You outdo yourself every time with your rugby comments bro. That's a pearler.
Right, like I'm the only one on here who's mentioned Savea maybe, just maybe a bit below his best. Make sure you address all his other haters posting above with equal outrage.
Oh yeah, that's right, the "other haters" all said he's just like Rokocoko was. I didn't realise that is your way of saying he's a bit below his best. I think most people would think of that as his form has fallen off a cliff a la Rodders. Look at his stats and his play, you're about as far off as you can get.
Joe R went from really dangerous to not as dangerous. Is it too much to draw a comparison between the two ?
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@MN5 Perfect comparison, my bad. I'm sure Joe Rok was topping many of the stats lists when he went to "not as dangerous" too.
@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@MN5 Perfect comparison, my bad. I'm sure Joe Rok was topping many of the stats lists when he went to "not as dangerous" too.
He'll always be well on top in terms of deceptively difficult AB names to spell, very, VERY tough to get all those K's and C's in the right order especially on those quizzes that used to run on the old fern.
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I think Naholo has shown a lot this season and in my opinion he is a very exciting player. I did some stats comparing, but of course they are a bit scewed becouse Naholo has only played 101 minutes to Saveas 344 and the median is always going to drop in a longer run, but anyway;
Savea(per 80 minutes)
1 try
86 metres
10 carries
2,8 clean breaks
3,8 defenders beaten
2 handling errors
1 missed tackle and about 4 made.Naholo(per 80 minutes)
0,8 tries
148 metres
15 carries
5,5 clean breaks
8 defenders beaten
1,6 handling errors
and a surprising zero missed tackles from zero attempts.All the stats are from the Vodacom app
There is some breakdown as to why some people might want to see Naholo being the first choice, but Saveas numbers are impressive too. I want to see Naholo being there becouse I am a fan of his, love the way he looks so fucken casual going around and then bang, puts the hammer down and is gone, and always has that quirky smile on his way.
Just for interest here are Aussie nr. 11 Reece Hodges stats(alltough he should be somewhere else than on the wing);
0,2 tries
5 carries
27 metres
0,6 CB
0,2 DB
1 HE
1 missed tackle and 6 made(he defends @12 a lot)So either way, you could have it worse.
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A big plus they like re Savea is his defence, he's a fucking brick wall, makes some enormous hits. A few times this year I've seen someone creamed & thought "god I love Kaino" & nope, its Savea.
His positioning is excellent, he's almost the Kahui option - when we want a more defensive winger.
His all round game is superb, he's dropped down on the try scoring from 1 game to 1 every 1.2 games... but thats not huge, its not like he's gone tryless this season.
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A big plus they like re Savea is his defence, he's a fucking brick wall, makes some enormous hits. A few times this year I've seen someone creamed & thought "god I love Kaino" & nope, its Savea.
His positioning is excellent, he's almost the Kahui option - when we want a more defensive winger.
His all round game is superb, he's dropped down on the try scoring from 1 game to 1 every 1.2 games... but thats not huge, its not like he's gone tryless this season.
@gollum Yeah while I think even his defence has dropped off a tiny bit from 2014, it's something he excels at for a big guy (I actually think it was the best aspect of his play in 2014, he made some massive defensive plays to shut down opposition chances).
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savea does defend well, but naholo isn't a mug. breakdown work, workrate, speed (or acceleration really), elusiveness and support lines are all better in my opinion.
@reprobate said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
savea does defend well, but naholo isn't a mug. breakdown work, workrate, speed (or acceleration really), elusiveness and support lines are all better in my opinion.
Yep, I agree with all of that, Naholo's support lines are amazingly good, I just don't agree thats its zero sum, for Naholo to be really good, we don't need Savea to be a shadow of his former self
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@dingo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Hopefully its the good J Savea this week, not the disinterested one. He can't have that many chances left.
Again with this? I don't know what the guy needs to do anymore. He's topping stats in heaps of areas, doing great work, I'd say he's meeting targets and then some. He's not there on a chance, he's there on performance.
@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@dingo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Hopefully its the good J Savea this week, not the disinterested one. He can't have that many chances left.
Again with this? I don't know what the guy needs to do anymore. He's topping stats in heaps of areas, doing great work, I'd say he's meeting targets and then some. He's not there on a chance, he's there on performance.
Hear bloody hear.
Thing is he set the bar so high a couple of years ago when he doesn't score from 40m out and only beats one player he's "bloody useless/disinterested".
