All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.
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thats a pretty big piece of smelly bait
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
thats a pretty big piece of smelly bait
In one sense he's correct; the architecture isn't overwhelming:
“It’s no Garden of Eden, it’s not like you’re walking into Kings Park, Durban, or into Twickenham, no imposing structure or seating or aura — absoluetly nothing to write home about.”
I think the record alone is intimidating.
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thats a pretty big piece of smelly bait
@taniwharugby It's not without it's facts. It' is quite ugly, it doesn't have the best atmostphere and it struggles to get the wow factor of some of the great stadiums of the world.
But y'know, it's Phil Kearns ...hard to give a fuck about what he says really.
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@taniwharugby It's not without it's facts. It' is quite ugly, it doesn't have the best atmostphere and it struggles to get the wow factor of some of the great stadiums of the world.
But y'know, it's Phil Kearns ...hard to give a fuck about what he says really.
@MajorRage said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@taniwharugby It's not without it's facts. It' is quite ugly, it doesn't have the best atmostphere and it struggles to get the wow factor of some of the great stadiums of the world.
But y'know, it's Phil Kearns ...hard to give a fuck about what he says really.
You should really have lead with
hard to give a fuck about what he says really.
Obviously something about it that prompted a Frenchman to call his label Eden Park?
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Any mention of Nigel Owens refereeing?
ABs have won 10 or 11 on the trot with nigel or something like that?
I think could be worth 6 or 7 points head start to the ABs.
@infidel I don't think that really has a heck of a lot to do with the ref eh. Considering he's been the top ref for a while, he just gets assigned more AB games. What might be more interesting would be who were the refs for our 3 losses since 2011 RWC?
Edit: Appears to be Clancy (Vs England) and Barnes x2 (SA, Aus).
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I think the ABs typically get really top drawer refs v teams that might push us, so they have zero impact on us winning or losing, while on the lesser games where we get a 2nd tier ref he might not be as good but the opposition is so awful we are winning no matter what.
On the odd occasion I've seen a shit ref display in an AB game its been v Samoa or Italy or someone & we were always wiining by 30 anyway.
The ones that annoy me are games between the shit top tier sides (Wales, Ireland) and the top lower sides (Samoa, Fiji, Georgia) where a bad ref can cost a minnow a win or consign a good team to a loss that shouldn't have happened & yet those are the games given shit refs as the spotlight is not on it the way it is Wales v England say.
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I would have thought we go full strength sans Smith (assuming Cane is also out). I agree the record (or "record" if you prefer) is worth chasing hard. I expect no real difficulty on the EOYT - other than the potential of a scare in Dublin - so this is the big one of our five left.
@Tregaskis said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@ACT-Crusader Agreed. Ardie is not seen as a starter (yet) against Tier 1 nations, after they had a look at him starting in the home Boks test.
Dixon covering 7 (if he's not already starting that game at 6).Not by Hansen. I wonder why. Ardie is so clearly the better players. Who does Todd play for?
All Blacks coach Steve Hansen says Ardie Savea better suited to bench role for now
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@Tregaskis said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@ACT-Crusader Agreed. Ardie is not seen as a starter (yet) against Tier 1 nations, after they had a look at him starting in the home Boks test.
Dixon covering 7 (if he's not already starting that game at 6).Not by Hansen. I wonder why. Ardie is so clearly the better players. Who does Todd play for?
All Blacks coach Steve Hansen says Ardie Savea better suited to bench role for now
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@Tregaskis said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@ACT-Crusader Agreed. Ardie is not seen as a starter (yet) against Tier 1 nations, after they had a look at him starting in the home Boks test.
Dixon covering 7 (if he's not already starting that game at 6).Not by Hansen. I wonder why. Ardie is so clearly the better players. Who does Todd play for?
All Blacks coach Steve Hansen says Ardie Savea better suited to bench role for now
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look on the bright side winger - at least one of the saveas who doesn't deserve to be there is getting a run mate.
@reprobate said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
look on the bright side winger - at least one of the saveas who doesn't deserve to be there is getting a run mate.
That's a bit harsh, Ardie is pretty damn good in the back end of the game, off the bench. It's just he's proven he's not yet up to starting.
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@akan004 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Rancid-Schnitzel I don't think this team is any weaker than the 2015 RWC team. In some positions this team is considerable stronger imo. I think Barret has taken the running game of a 10 to a new level and surpasses Carter for mine. Woodcock was on his last legs and Moody is definitely an improvement. GOAT was past his prime and Cane has been his equal this year. ALB is arguably better than what Conrad was last year. Nonu is the only guy whom I can think of from last year who is well ahead of his counterpart in 2016. Add fresh players like Squire, Taylor and Ardie, and this team has arguably a stronger bench than last year as well.
Moody was there for the most important games as well so I reckon he's classified as part of the 2015 mob. Barrett has indeed been a revelation and I haven't felt this excited about a player since Cullen. But Carter had a better boot and better game management (man of the match in the RWC final). Thought GOAT was great last year and him and Cane kind of cancel each other out now. ALB has been great, but you'd still take the Nonu-Smith combo over Crotty-ALB any day.
Bench last year was Mealamu, Franks, Faumuina, Vito, Cane, TKB, BB and SBW. I reckon that's pretty tough to beat.
You also have to factor in that Savea has been below his best for most of the season and NMS has been out for the entire season.
It's obviously open for debate but I think man for man the 2015 side was better.
IMHO one thing that has been particular great about the team this year is TJP becoming a genuine test player. That is of massive significance going forward and I really hope it continues.
Man for man, the 2015 AB were possibly the better side but I think the 2016 side, as a team, are better.
Remember the RC defeat against Australia, the poor discipline in the RWC semi-final against the Boks and most of all, the game against Georgia, IMO the poorest display by any AB team in decades.
Man for man, this 2016 side is possibly not as good but it has been more dominant : can you remember a team winning the RC with such a margin, scoring so many tries in every game ? -
Man for man, the 2015 AB were possibly the better side but I think the 2016 side, as a team, are better.
Remember the RC defeat against Australia, the poor discipline in the RWC semi-final against the Boks and most of all, the game against Georgia, IMO the poorest display by any AB team in decades.
Man for man, this 2016 side is possibly not as good but it has been more dominant : can you remember a team winning the RC with such a margin, scoring so many tries in every game ?For me every WC all sides have a transition phase where old guys who have clung on go, fringe guys who thought they had a shot go etc.
So they lose experienced starters & depth. Like post 2007 we lost the experience of Hayman, but also the depth of Evans. The difference this year is the way the last 4 years of selection has meant the switch has been seamless - for the ABs. For everyone else its been the usual mess.
As well as we are playing - and we are playing superbly, Australia, Wales, Ireland, England & SA are all transitioning with varying degrees of success. While France are in a club led death spiral.
The cattle on the park for the ABs this yerar has been great, but far more so its the way the likes of Todd, Cane, Crotty, Barrett, TJP, Crockett etc have been used in the previous 4 years, its been a selectorial masterclass in building depth, confidence, continuity etc. And you can see it again with guys like ALB, Ardie, Moala etc all being carefully slotted into the AB machine to develop & peak in 3 years.
We have very few one season (let alone one test) All Blacks anymore. Compare that to say, Eddie Jones yanking his centre after 25 minutes v Aussie this year, and then yanking his 7 after 30 in the last test.
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"Testing new ideas on the biggest stage – sometimes maybe some people might not think [now] is the right time but I think that's the time and that's the place where you see that if it really is something that can work in the future. We'll see how we go," Cheika said.
"Maybe it's not about if Bernard is a better option than Quade but more about the combination changing. I figured this was the right time."
Christ, he just exudes competence, doesn't he?
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Rancid-Schnitzel cane/savea/todd have won one lineout between them so far this tournament. pocock's in no way a well-rounded player, but if you have our locks, read and kaino, then 7 doesn't need to be a lineout option. this is kinda where my opinion differs - cost vs benefit - would the costs really effect us that much? we've got no shortage of ball runners either, particularly once the bench gets involved.
IIRC Retallick is used very sparingly at lineout time as well. It's a massive benefit having that extra lineout option even if he is rarely used.
I just don't see the upside here. The number of turnovers won with him vs the number won by the team as whole without him would be negligible. So you win maybe a couple more turnovers a game and sacrifice a lineout option and any attacking threat.
IMHO that's a really shit trade off.
@Rancid-Schnitzel I note commentators always rave on about BBBR's engine but Whitelock is just as fit and energetic. He doesn't stand out as much but I rate him very very highly.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel I note commentators always rave on about BBBR's engine but Whitelock is just as fit and energetic. He doesn't stand out as much but I rate him very very highly.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Rancid-Schnitzel I note commentators always rave on about BBBR's engine but Whitelock is just as fit and energetic. He doesn't stand out as much but I rate him very very highly.
Absolutely agree. Sam is not as prominent in the loose, but has a huge engine and is a massive contributor.
Made that key lineout steal in the QF as well. Critical.
That, and he's the modern skinny lock. At 115kg. FML.
