All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.
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Foley and Cruden also struggled but it was actually a very windy evening (Auckland windy, not Wellington windy) so I think conditions were tougher than they appeared
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@canefan Aus were warming up in front of us and Foley missed 3 kicks all of similar difficulty/easiness to the one he missed.
@taniwharugby I was at the 30m in the South stand watching him too. He took an age over his last practice kick and promptly drew it past the left upright.
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@barbarian said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
The TMO call was a massive point in the match. I don't think the end result would have been different, but the ABs would have been put in a position they've never been in this year - scores tied or even behind in the second half of a match. Who knows how they would react?
Like their semi-final against South Africa last year? Or their pool game against Argentina? I think we've seen enough from this team that it can stay in the competition and give itself a chance.
@antipodean Well that's why I used the phrase 'this year'.
I don't doubt they would have coped pretty well, but still it would have been nice to see a team put them under the pump for once.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Thoughts on the All Blacks playing without a goal kicker?
Wondering about this.
Beaudy was pretty ordinary in the first part of the Super season. Came right in the ABs camp, but he seems to be regressing.
I wonder how long the coaches will put up with substandard goal kicking - eventually it will cost us a match, so he needs to sort it - otherwise he'll have to be relegated to super-sub status again.
@Chris-B. said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Thoughts on the All Blacks playing without a goal kicker?
Wondering about this.
Beaudy was pretty ordinary in the first part of the Super season. Came right in the ABs camp, but he seems to be regressing.
I wonder how long the coaches will put up with substandard goal kicking - eventually it will cost us a match, so he needs to sort it - otherwise he'll have to be relegated to super-sub status again.
General performance from Beaudy has me wondering again how effective he can be when his forwards are getting munched. I didn't see him trying to take control at any point. In fact after the game I realised I could barely remember seeing him.
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Sounds like Dean Mumm should have received a red card for a deliberate elbow to the head. If that is true (and it seems to be from the pictures) then that is easily the biggest refereeing mistake of the night. I wonder if that will cause certain people to withdraw certain things they have said.
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Sounds like Dean Mumm should have received a red card for a deliberate elbow to the head. If that is true (and it seems to be from the pictures) then that is easily the biggest refereeing mistake of the night. I wonder if that will cause certain people to withdraw certain things they have said.
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Sounds like Dean Mumm should have received a red card for a deliberate elbow to the head. If that is true (and it seems to be from the pictures) then that is easily the biggest refereeing mistake of the night. I wonder if that will cause certain people to withdraw certain things they have said.
And the Hooper headbutt. Another red.
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Sounds like Dean Mumm should have received a red card for a deliberate elbow to the head. If that is true (and it seems to be from the pictures) then that is easily the biggest refereeing mistake of the night. I wonder if that will cause certain people to withdraw certain things they have said.
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Sounds like Dean Mumm should have received a red card for a deliberate elbow to the head. If that is true (and it seems to be from the pictures) then that is easily the biggest refereeing mistake of the night. I wonder if that will cause certain people to withdraw certain things they have said.
Still haven't seen pictures or vision. What time of the game was it? Only YouTube i could find was whole game with no clock on it, so incident either side would help
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Never Mind. Just saw it.
Reckless, yes. Deliberate? Not like lined him up, or even knew where Retallick's head was.
Intent is therefore questionable, but it's the citing process so get a result, add 2 weeks as a deterrent, halve the sentence for good behaviour, and throw a d4 to get the randomised add-on value. Turn raffle off the results.
Be interested to see Hooper's headbutt too. If it was that bad, SURELY the citing commissioner would pick it up?
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The Mumm 'elbow' looks really innocuous to me, but there might be another camera angle I haven't seen. Was a reflex action that would happen at almost every ruck I reckon. Caught Retallick a bit high, but I struggle to see how it's a red card offence.
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@zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@zed Say what? You want to legalise obstruction as long as it happens behind the ball? Have you been smoking the same stuff Kafe seems to be these days?
Lets say that happened 70 metres out - would you call it a legitimate penalising?
lol no. But what DHP did was not significant enough to disallow the try.
FFS man. Enough people have quoted the Law by now. The offence has nothing to do with whether a try would be still be scored.
Yes, it happens often in games behind normal play and doesn't get penalised but if you do it just before a try you run a high risk of being spotted and pinged.
To be clear the action of scoring the try was not disallowed. Foul play prior to the try was seen and ruled on.@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@zed Say what? You want to legalise obstruction as long as it happens behind the ball? Have you been smoking the same stuff Kafe seems to be these days?
Lets say that happened 70 metres out - would you call it a legitimate penalising?
lol no. But what DHP did was not significant enough to disallow the try.
FFS man. Enough people have quoted the Law by now. The offence has nothing to do with whether a try would be still be scored.
Yes, it happens often in games behind normal play and doesn't get penalised but if you do it just before a try you run a high risk of being spotted and pinged.
To be clear the action of scoring the try was not disallowed. Foul play prior to the try was seen and ruled on.What about the interference on the Wallaby player (not sure of name) by ABs no 22 that allowed Savea to score. Do you agree that try should also have been disallowed? I think it should have been, however I don't think any Wallabies players spoke to Owens about it. Not sure though.
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if someone is holding onto you, usually you strike down to get rid of the hand holding onto your shirt. We see this all the time at rucks.
Swinging your elbow like that, what did you think you were going to hit?
@zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@zed Say what? You want to legalise obstruction as long as it happens behind the ball? Have you been smoking the same stuff Kafe seems to be these days?
Lets say that happened 70 metres out - would you call it a legitimate penalising?
lol no. But what DHP did was not significant enough to disallow the try.
FFS man. Enough people have quoted the Law by now. The offence has nothing to do with whether a try would be still be scored.
Yes, it happens often in games behind normal play and doesn't get penalised but if you do it just before a try you run a high risk of being spotted and pinged.
To be clear the action of scoring the try was not disallowed. Foul play prior to the try was seen and ruled on.What about the interference on the Wallaby player (not sure of name) by ABs no 22 that allowed Savea to score. Do you agree that try should also have been disallowed? I think it should have been, however I don't think any Wallabies players spoke to Owens about it. Not sure though.
If you watched it, it was accidental. Cruden didn't stick a foot out to trip him. The player who fell down did make a protest, just like how Julian did.
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@zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
however I don't think any Wallabies players spoke to Owens about it. Not sure though.
Didn't wave their arms enough?
Funny how Savea can bump off all those blokes with the ball but one little nudge when he's getting burned, and he wants the ref to help out
Good gamesmanship, mind.
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@Chris-B. said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Thoughts on the All Blacks playing without a goal kicker?
Wondering about this.
Beaudy was pretty ordinary in the first part of the Super season. Came right in the ABs camp, but he seems to be regressing.
I wonder how long the coaches will put up with substandard goal kicking - eventually it will cost us a match, so he needs to sort it - otherwise he'll have to be relegated to super-sub status again.
General performance from Beaudy has me wondering again how effective he can be when his forwards are getting munched. I didn't see him trying to take control at any point. In fact after the game I realised I could barely remember seeing him.
@Marty said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Chris-B. said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Thoughts on the All Blacks playing without a goal kicker?
Wondering about this.
Beaudy was pretty ordinary in the first part of the Super season. Came right in the ABs camp, but he seems to be regressing.
I wonder how long the coaches will put up with substandard goal kicking - eventually it will cost us a match, so he needs to sort it - otherwise he'll have to be relegated to super-sub status again.
General performance from Beaudy has me wondering again how effective he can be when his forwards are getting munched. I didn't see him trying to take control at any point. In fact after the game I realised I could barely remember seeing him.
They had 30 something percent possession in the first half. He barely had the ball enough to make an impression before he was hooked. When and where was he supposed to take control?
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if someone is holding onto you, usually you strike down to get rid of the hand holding onto your shirt. We see this all the time at rucks.
Swinging your elbow like that, what did you think you were going to hit?
@zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@zed Say what? You want to legalise obstruction as long as it happens behind the ball? Have you been smoking the same stuff Kafe seems to be these days?
Lets say that happened 70 metres out - would you call it a legitimate penalising?
lol no. But what DHP did was not significant enough to disallow the try.
FFS man. Enough people have quoted the Law by now. The offence has nothing to do with whether a try would be still be scored.
Yes, it happens often in games behind normal play and doesn't get penalised but if you do it just before a try you run a high risk of being spotted and pinged.
To be clear the action of scoring the try was not disallowed. Foul play prior to the try was seen and ruled on.What about the interference on the Wallaby player (not sure of name) by ABs no 22 that allowed Savea to score. Do you agree that try should also have been disallowed? I think it should have been, however I don't think any Wallabies players spoke to Owens about it. Not sure though.
If you watched it, it was accidental. Cruden didn't stick a foot out to trip him. The player who fell down did make a protest, just like how Julian did.
@mimic said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
if someone is holding onto you, usually you strike down to get rid of the hand holding onto your shirt. We see this all the time at rucks.
Swinging your elbow like that, what did you think you were going to hit?
@zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@zed Say what? You want to legalise obstruction as long as it happens behind the ball? Have you been smoking the same stuff Kafe seems to be these days?
Lets say that happened 70 metres out - would you call it a legitimate penalising?
lol no. But what DHP did was not significant enough to disallow the try.
FFS man. Enough people have quoted the Law by now. The offence has nothing to do with whether a try would be still be scored.
Yes, it happens often in games behind normal play and doesn't get penalised but if you do it just before a try you run a high risk of being spotted and pinged.
To be clear the action of scoring the try was not disallowed. Foul play prior to the try was seen and ruled on.What about the interference on the Wallaby player (not sure of name) by ABs no 22 that allowed Savea to score. Do you agree that try should also have been disallowed? I think it should have been, however I don't think any Wallabies players spoke to Owens about it. Not sure though.
If you watched it, it was accidental. Cruden didn't stick a foot out to trip him. The player who fell down did make a protest, just like how Julian did.
I just did, paused it, Cruden has a hand on his back, a second later he goes down. Doesn't look like an accident to me.
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@mimic said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
if someone is holding onto you, usually you strike down to get rid of the hand holding onto your shirt. We see this all the time at rucks.
Swinging your elbow like that, what did you think you were going to hit?
@zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@zed Say what? You want to legalise obstruction as long as it happens behind the ball? Have you been smoking the same stuff Kafe seems to be these days?
Lets say that happened 70 metres out - would you call it a legitimate penalising?
lol no. But what DHP did was not significant enough to disallow the try.
FFS man. Enough people have quoted the Law by now. The offence has nothing to do with whether a try would be still be scored.
Yes, it happens often in games behind normal play and doesn't get penalised but if you do it just before a try you run a high risk of being spotted and pinged.
To be clear the action of scoring the try was not disallowed. Foul play prior to the try was seen and ruled on.What about the interference on the Wallaby player (not sure of name) by ABs no 22 that allowed Savea to score. Do you agree that try should also have been disallowed? I think it should have been, however I don't think any Wallabies players spoke to Owens about it. Not sure though.
If you watched it, it was accidental. Cruden didn't stick a foot out to trip him. The player who fell down did make a protest, just like how Julian did.
I just did, paused it, Cruden has a hand on his back, a second later he goes down. Doesn't look like an accident to me.
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So coach thinks there is a lack of respect, Foley doesnt.....
https://www.facebook.com/540168822817313/videos/685970631570464/
This clown thing really got under his skin, which is gonna be a go to thing for someone now anytime they wanna wind him up....now I know a few got wound up over the grub thing, but dont think it bothered McCaw, well not that he stated anyway.
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@Marty said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Chris-B. said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Thoughts on the All Blacks playing without a goal kicker?
Wondering about this.
Beaudy was pretty ordinary in the first part of the Super season. Came right in the ABs camp, but he seems to be regressing.
I wonder how long the coaches will put up with substandard goal kicking - eventually it will cost us a match, so he needs to sort it - otherwise he'll have to be relegated to super-sub status again.
General performance from Beaudy has me wondering again how effective he can be when his forwards are getting munched. I didn't see him trying to take control at any point. In fact after the game I realised I could barely remember seeing him.
They had 30 something percent possession in the first half. He barely had the ball enough to make an impression before he was hooked. When and where was he supposed to take control?
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Marty said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Chris-B. said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Thoughts on the All Blacks playing without a goal kicker?
Wondering about this.
Beaudy was pretty ordinary in the first part of the Super season. Came right in the ABs camp, but he seems to be regressing.
I wonder how long the coaches will put up with substandard goal kicking - eventually it will cost us a match, so he needs to sort it - otherwise he'll have to be relegated to super-sub status again.
General performance from Beaudy has me wondering again how effective he can be when his forwards are getting munched. I didn't see him trying to take control at any point. In fact after the game I realised I could barely remember seeing him.
They had 30 something percent possession in the first half. He barely had the ball enough to make an impression before he was hooked. When and where was he supposed to take control?
35% is not great but it's adequate. A more controlling performance from a Beauden Barrett would include, for example, taking on the line himself - something that has been his hallmark this season. Aaron Cruden had more direct influence on proceedings when he came on, though admittedly not always positive.
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@barbarian said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
The TMO call was a massive point in the match. I don't think the end result would have been different, but the ABs would have been put in a position they've never been in this year - scores tied or even behind in the second half of a match. Who knows how they would react?
Like their semi-final against South Africa last year? Or their pool game against Argentina? I think we've seen enough from this team that it can stay in the competition and give itself a chance.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@barbarian said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
The TMO call was a massive point in the match. I don't think the end result would have been different, but the ABs would have been put in a position they've never been in this year - scores tied or even behind in the second half of a match. Who knows how they would react?
Like their semi-final against South Africa last year? Or their pool game against Argentina? I think we've seen enough from this team that it can stay in the competition and give itself a chance.
Nah, you are right - not much joy on the possibility of the All Blacks being behind at half time and losing.
I've had a look at your matches from '05 to now (156 matches) to find they win two thirds of those in which they are behind at half time (23 of 35 in that period). The All Blacks were less than 5 behind 49% of the time and 5 to 10 behind 40% of the time.
