Brendon McCullum
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@rotated said in Brendon McCullum:
Each to their own - Baz wanted to go out on the front foot or whatever, I would have rather gone out playing the percentages.Playing the percentages by changing the way he plays? That doesn't sound like playing the percentages,
@Hooroo said in Brendon McCullum:
@rotated said in Brendon McCullum:
Each to their own - Baz wanted to go out on the front foot or whatever, I would have rather gone out playing the percentages.Playing the percentages by changing the way he plays? That doesn't sound like playing the percentages,
As a captain. McCullum wanted to win by smashing them or not at all.
In terms of his batting I think he did change the way he batted for the final. Be it the moment, be it the opposition, be it the game plan he was overly aggressive. I've seen plenty of Baz innings and I've never seen him come out of the gate LIKE THAT. In fact I've seen him shoulder arms to a majority of the first over to get the pitch before going batty the next over.
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@Donsteppa said in Brendon McCullum:
It's also a stretch to say that we'd "bent them over" a few weeks earlier by one whole wicket too...
We bent them over bowling first.
@mariner4life said in Brendon McCullum:
@rotated said in Brendon McCullum:
@mariner4life said in Brendon McCullum:
@rotated said in Brendon McCullum:
Then why did we choose to bat up against such a formidable, unplayable bowling attack? We had only bent them over a few weeks earlier bowling first.
haha bitter hindsight much?
Not at all, but if you are going to argue we were so outgunned by their bowlers that our only hope was to blindly attack - then you have to consider why we chose to bat first to begin with.
Batting second with a total set is generally a better approach if you have a more fragile batting order.
why do you keep saying "so outgunned" and shit about their attack? They were all on that day, but rarely happens.
I thought batting first and posting 300 was the go, as i thought the pressure would get to the Aussie batsmen. But they had a good day, we had a bad day, and their batsmen were under no pressure when they came out. That's sport.
I'm saying that because the argument for McCullum's blind attack is basically "our only path to victory was getting off to a quick start and bludgeoning them out of the attack".
If getting off to a quick start was important I would have given Ronchi the McCullum role much in the tradition of Greatbatch and McMillan who were struggling attacking batsmen - who offered a lower risk.
I honestly felt like Aussie would've gone into that game bowling first thinking big scores from Taylor, McCullum and Williamson could sink them. Even if McCullum "came off" like he did with his 50 in the semi - we still basically needed a century and only had two guys capable of getting them and our largely out of form and longish tail exposed (god bless Guppy's efforts in the QF and Elliots in the semi and final).
Even
Each to their own - Baz wanted to go out on the front foot or whatever, I would have rather gone out playing the percentages.
@rotated "We bent them over bowling first."
And then the second innings was hardly glorious in-between the 50 by McCullum and the last hit by Williamson. A one wicket win at Eden Park was not a given sure-fire formula for the MCG in a World Cup Final beyond bitter hindsight (mine as much as anyone's)
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Have heard this in an interview on trackside before but still a great read.
He became my favourite NZ cricketer after I was first so annoyed he was made captain. I couldn't have thought of a worse person for the job, but sporting ignorance is bliss but blind. He was perfect for the job.
He's just moved to Matamata which is great. Loves his golf as well.
Apparently I am playing in his team for an ambrose tournament with the local publican and one other in November.
Bring him up here, I wanna boof him
He's just moved to Matamata which is great. Loves his golf as well.
I can forgive everytime he got out, made a wrong decison and annoyed me, as thats part of sport, I really have nothing but respect for him on that front.
But moving to Matamata?
SMH.
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He's just moved to Matamata which is great. Loves his golf as well.
I can forgive everytime he got out, made a wrong decison and annoyed me, as thats part of sport, I really have nothing but respect for him on that front.
But moving to Matamata?
SMH.
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He's just moved to Matamata which is great. Loves his golf as well.
I can forgive everytime he got out, made a wrong decison and annoyed me, as thats part of sport, I really have nothing but respect for him on that front.
But moving to Matamata?
SMH.
@MajorRage said in Brendon McCullum:
He's just moved to Matamata which is great. Loves his golf as well.
I can forgive everytime he got out, made a wrong decison and annoyed me, as thats part of sport, I really have nothing but respect for him on that front.
But moving to Matamata?
SMH.
Vermair Racing which he started has centralised itself there being the Throughbred hub of NZ
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@MajorRage said in Brendon McCullum:
He's just moved to Matamata which is great. Loves his golf as well.
I can forgive everytime he got out, made a wrong decison and annoyed me, as thats part of sport, I really have nothing but respect for him on that front.
But moving to Matamata?
SMH.
Vermair Racing which he started has centralised itself there being the Throughbred hub of NZ
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Have heard this in an interview on trackside before but still a great read.
He became my favourite NZ cricketer after I was first so annoyed he was made captain. I couldn't have thought of a worse person for the job, but sporting ignorance is bliss but blind. He was perfect for the job.
He's just moved to Matamata which is great. Loves his golf as well.
Apparently I am playing in his team for an ambrose tournament with the local publican and one other in November.
Bring him up here, I wanna boof him
@Hooroo said in Brendon McCullum:
Have heard this in an interview on trackside before but still a great read.
He became my favourite NZ cricketer after I was first so annoyed he was made captain. I couldn't have thought of a worse person for the job, but sporting ignorance is bliss but blind. He was perfect for the job.
He's just moved to Matamata which is great. Loves his golf as well.
Apparently I am playing in his team for an ambrose tournament with the local publican and one other in November.
Bring him up here, I wanna boof him
Have a good yarn to him about Sacred Falls. I've got some more questionable topics, but I might PM them to you on Facebook. . . .
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Sitting up in the Ponsford stand that day I really wished we had bowled first..... :(. They got out of the gate so fast, Starc was awesome but in fact the whole attack was brilliant. There seemed no hope of waiting it out to profit off the weaker change bowlers because they all bowled well
@canefan Wouldn't a more innovative tactic been to drop McCullum down the order for the CWC final? The Aussies, after the game, all they talked about was spending the lead up constructing their bowling plan to McCullum in the first few overs to prevent him getting away to a flier (didn't appear to care so much about Guppy or Kane or Rosco and co). So putting us in and getting to bowl at McCullum straight away suited them.
If we'd sent someone else out to open they'd have been (temporarily) fucked.
Armchair Tactician, 39,
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@mariner4life said in Brendon McCullum:
@rotated said in Brendon McCullum:
Then why did we choose to bat up against such a formidable, unplayable bowling attack? We had only bent them over a few weeks earlier bowling first.
haha bitter hindsight much?
Not at all, but if you are going to argue we were so outgunned by their bowlers that our only hope was to blindly attack - then you have to consider why we chose to bat first to begin with.
Batting second with a total set is generally a better approach if you have a more fragile batting order. The odds of an Aussie collapse batting first (ala Eden Park) was surely more likely than a 50 over assault on the biggest ground in cricket.
It's a bit of a rabbit hole - but I walked away from the final thinking we didn't play the percentages well at all.
@Tregaskis said in Brendon McCullum:
So putting us in and getting to bowl at McCullum straight away suited them.
If we'd sent someone else out to open they'd have been (temporarily) fucked.
Armchair Tactician, 39,
Hamilton.@rotated said in Brendon McCullum:
Not at all, but if you are going to argue we were so outgunned by their bowlers that our only hope was to blindly attack - then you have to consider why we chose to bat first to begin with.
So did we choose to bat first or did they put us in...I honestly cannot remember, or am I reading that wrong?
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@canefan Wouldn't a more innovative tactic been to drop McCullum down the order for the CWC final? The Aussies, after the game, all they talked about was spending the lead up constructing their bowling plan to McCullum in the first few overs to prevent him getting away to a flier (didn't appear to care so much about Guppy or Kane or Rosco and co). So putting us in and getting to bowl at McCullum straight away suited them.
If we'd sent someone else out to open they'd have been (temporarily) fucked.
Armchair Tactician, 39,
Hamilton.@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
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@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
@canefan said in Brendon McCullum:
@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
All the more reason to be critical of a batsman who chooses not to be as technically sound as he can be but rather decides to take the kamikaze approach to a swinging ball.
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@canefan said in Brendon McCullum:
@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
All the more reason to be critical of a batsman who chooses not to be as technically sound as he can be but rather decides to take the kamikaze approach to a swinging ball.
@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@canefan said in Brendon McCullum:
@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
All the more reason to be critical of a batsman who chooses not to be as technically sound as he can be but rather decides to take the kamikaze approach to a swinging ball.
You mean play his normal ODI game?
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@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@canefan said in Brendon McCullum:
@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
All the more reason to be critical of a batsman who chooses not to be as technically sound as he can be but rather decides to take the kamikaze approach to a swinging ball.
You mean play his normal ODI game?
@Hooroo kinda like telling Tiger in his prime to play it safe instead of going for the green....
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@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@canefan said in Brendon McCullum:
@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
All the more reason to be critical of a batsman who chooses not to be as technically sound as he can be but rather decides to take the kamikaze approach to a swinging ball.
You mean play his normal ODI game?
@Hooroo said in Brendon McCullum:
@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@canefan said in Brendon McCullum:
@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
All the more reason to be critical of a batsman who chooses not to be as technically sound as he can be but rather decides to take the kamikaze approach to a swinging ball.
You mean play his normal ODI game?
Nah, like Rotated mentioned earlier, he normally takes an over or two to assess the pitch and the swing before going berserk. He definitely didn't do this in the final against the best bowler in the world who was making the ball talk.
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@Hooroo said in Brendon McCullum:
@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@canefan said in Brendon McCullum:
@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
All the more reason to be critical of a batsman who chooses not to be as technically sound as he can be but rather decides to take the kamikaze approach to a swinging ball.
You mean play his normal ODI game?
Nah, like Rotated mentioned earlier, he normally takes an over or two to assess the pitch and the swing before going berserk. He definitely didn't do this in the final against the best bowler in the world who was making the ball talk.
@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@Hooroo said in Brendon McCullum:
@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@canefan said in Brendon McCullum:
@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
All the more reason to be critical of a batsman who chooses not to be as technically sound as he can be but rather decides to take the kamikaze approach to a swinging ball.
You mean play his normal ODI game?
Nah, like Rotated mentioned earlier, he normally takes an over or two to assess the pitch and the swing before going berserk. He definitely didn't do this in the final against the best bowler in the world who was making the ball talk.
You need to re watch the WC
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@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@Hooroo said in Brendon McCullum:
@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@canefan said in Brendon McCullum:
@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
All the more reason to be critical of a batsman who chooses not to be as technically sound as he can be but rather decides to take the kamikaze approach to a swinging ball.
You mean play his normal ODI game?
Nah, like Rotated mentioned earlier, he normally takes an over or two to assess the pitch and the swing before going berserk. He definitely didn't do this in the final against the best bowler in the world who was making the ball talk.
You need to re watch the WC
@Hooroo said in Brendon McCullum:
@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@Hooroo said in Brendon McCullum:
@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@canefan said in Brendon McCullum:
@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
All the more reason to be critical of a batsman who chooses not to be as technically sound as he can be but rather decides to take the kamikaze approach to a swinging ball.
You mean play his normal ODI game?
Nah, like Rotated mentioned earlier, he normally takes an over or two to assess the pitch and the swing before going berserk. He definitely didn't do this in the final against the best bowler in the world who was making the ball talk.
You need to re watch the WC
Even if you are right, surely you have to criticise his inability to adapt to conditions. I'm sorry, but we seem to be affording this guy more leeway that any one else. Using your argument, nobody should criticise Fekitoa for rushing up on defence since this is how he plays. Let's just not be critical at all from now on.
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@Hooroo said in Brendon McCullum:
@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@Hooroo said in Brendon McCullum:
@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@canefan said in Brendon McCullum:
@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
All the more reason to be critical of a batsman who chooses not to be as technically sound as he can be but rather decides to take the kamikaze approach to a swinging ball.
You mean play his normal ODI game?
Nah, like Rotated mentioned earlier, he normally takes an over or two to assess the pitch and the swing before going berserk. He definitely didn't do this in the final against the best bowler in the world who was making the ball talk.
You need to re watch the WC
Even if you are right, surely you have to criticise his inability to adapt to conditions. I'm sorry, but we seem to be affording this guy more leeway that any one else. Using your argument, nobody should criticise Fekitoa for rushing up on defence since this is how he plays. Let's just not be critical at all from now on.
@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@Hooroo said in Brendon McCullum:
@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@Hooroo said in Brendon McCullum:
@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@canefan said in Brendon McCullum:
@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
All the more reason to be critical of a batsman who chooses not to be as technically sound as he can be but rather decides to take the kamikaze approach to a swinging ball.
You mean play his normal ODI game?
Nah, like Rotated mentioned earlier, he normally takes an over or two to assess the pitch and the swing before going berserk. He definitely didn't do this in the final against the best bowler in the world who was making the ball talk.
You need to re watch the WC
Even if you are right, surely you have to criticise his inability to adapt to conditions. I'm sorry, but we seem to be affording this guy more leeway that any one else. Using your argument, nobody should criticise Fekitoa for rushing up on defence since this is how he plays. Let's just not be critical at all from now on.
If that is how he is asked to play then you can't criticise it, no.
