Injuries
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Just reading through the Blues woes of injuries and last year the Chiefs with all the early season injuries, can any of this be put down to training and playing on rock hard surfaces for too long.
They would have been training all through Dec and Jan on essentially concrete.
Perhaps if they started the season later, you know, after the cricket season that SA, Oz and NZ play maybe there maybe fewer injuries?
Perhaps not and it's just coincidence.
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Just reading through the Blues woes of injuries and last year the Chiefs with all the early season injuries, can any of this be put down to training and playing on rock hard surfaces for too long.
They would have been training all through Dec and Jan on essentially concrete.
Perhaps if they started the season later, you know, after the cricket season that SA, Oz and NZ play maybe there maybe fewer injuries?
Perhaps not and it's just coincidence.
Perhaps not and it's just coincidence.
I think it's not that related. They don't play or train on rokc hard grounds any more - Eden Park (for instance) has a world class surface.
Rugby just doesn't lend itself to the bulking up that has come with professionalism. The impacts get so much bigger that tendons and ligaments seem to be the things that get mashed.
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Perhaps not and it's just coincidence.
I think it's not that related. They don't play or train on rokc hard grounds any more - Eden Park (for instance) has a world class surface.
Rugby just doesn't lend itself to the bulking up that has come with professionalism. The impacts get so much bigger that tendons and ligaments seem to be the things that get mashed.
Perhaps not and it's just coincidence.
I think it's not that related. They don't play or train on rokc hard grounds any more - Eden Park (for instance) has a world class surface.
Rugby just doesn't lend itself to the bulking up that has come with professionalism. The impacts get so much bigger that tendons and ligaments seem to be the things that get mashed.
I don't disagree and I think I more referring to what they are training on.
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@Bovidae Good call.
So just coincidence of timing of injury which isn't that surprising but I just felt we see this more and more at beginning of season.
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@Bovidae Good call.
So just coincidence of timing of injury which isn't that surprising but I just felt we see this more and more at beginning of season.
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@Hooroo possibly due to the fact these guys are training/playing much longer?
Which is why they are also trying to manage workloads as well I guess?
@taniwharugby said in Injuries:
@Hooroo possibly due to the fact these guys are training/playing much longer?
Which is why they are also trying to manage workloads as well I guess?
Absolutely. Off season is short, and you get cumulative year on year load as well. If you play internationals, hardly any time to rest and recover.
I think we need to reduce the number of subs and speed the game up so the players can't maintain the bulk as well. Make fitness more of a factor, and reduce the impact of the collisions.
Remember when 120kg + players were rare?
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@taniwharugby said in Injuries:
@Hooroo possibly due to the fact these guys are training/playing much longer?
Which is why they are also trying to manage workloads as well I guess?
Absolutely. Off season is short, and you get cumulative year on year load as well. If you play internationals, hardly any time to rest and recover.
I think we need to reduce the number of subs and speed the game up so the players can't maintain the bulk as well. Make fitness more of a factor, and reduce the impact of the collisions.
Remember when 120kg + players were rare?
I think we need to reduce the number of subs and speed the game up so the players can't maintain the bulk as well. Make fitness more of a factor, and reduce the impact of the collisions.
I've said that for years and I'm certainly not the Lone Ranger there. The hilarious part of increasing the bench size was the current state of rugby was perfectly predictable. The law of unintended consequence.
Players no longer tire adequately, defences don't break down. Keep the ball in play more across the 80mins and they'd have to be fitter, which means smaller.
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I think we need to reduce the number of subs and speed the game up so the players can't maintain the bulk as well. Make fitness more of a factor, and reduce the impact of the collisions.
I've said that for years and I'm certainly not the Lone Ranger there. The hilarious part of increasing the bench size was the current state of rugby was perfectly predictable. The law of unintended consequence.
Players no longer tire adequately, defences don't break down. Keep the ball in play more across the 80mins and they'd have to be fitter, which means smaller.
@antipodean said in Injuries:
I think we need to reduce the number of subs and speed the game up so the players can't maintain the bulk as well. Make fitness more of a factor, and reduce the impact of the collisions.
I've said that for years and I'm certainly not the Lone Ranger there. The hilarious part of increasing the bench size was the current state of rugby was perfectly predictable. The law of unintended consequence.
Players no longer tire adequately, defences don't break down. Keep the ball in play more across the 80mins and they'd have to be fitter, which means smaller.
Yep, I blame the South Africans when they started faking injuries to use their subs.
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@antipodean said in Injuries:
I think we need to reduce the number of subs and speed the game up so the players can't maintain the bulk as well. Make fitness more of a factor, and reduce the impact of the collisions.
I've said that for years and I'm certainly not the Lone Ranger there. The hilarious part of increasing the bench size was the current state of rugby was perfectly predictable. The law of unintended consequence.
Players no longer tire adequately, defences don't break down. Keep the ball in play more across the 80mins and they'd have to be fitter, which means smaller.
Yep, I blame the South Africans when they started faking injuries to use their subs.
@antipodean said in Injuries:
I think we need to reduce the number of subs and speed the game up so the players can't maintain the bulk as well. Make fitness more of a factor, and reduce the impact of the collisions.
I've said that for years and I'm certainly not the Lone Ranger there. The hilarious part of increasing the bench size was the current state of rugby was perfectly predictable. The law of unintended consequence.
Players no longer tire adequately, defences don't break down. Keep the ball in play more across the 80mins and they'd have to be fitter, which means smaller.
Yep, I blame the South Africans when they started faking injuries to use their subs.
cough mark cooksley cough
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I think we need to reduce the number of subs and speed the game up so the players can't maintain the bulk as well. Make fitness more of a factor, and reduce the impact of the collisions.
I've said that for years and I'm certainly not the Lone Ranger there. The hilarious part of increasing the bench size was the current state of rugby was perfectly predictable. The law of unintended consequence.
Players no longer tire adequately, defences don't break down. Keep the ball in play more across the 80mins and they'd have to be fitter, which means smaller.
@antipodean said in Injuries:
I think we need to reduce the number of subs and speed the game up so the players can't maintain the bulk as well. Make fitness more of a factor, and reduce the impact of the collisions.
I've said that for years and I'm certainly not the Lone Ranger there. The hilarious part of increasing the bench size was the current state of rugby was perfectly predictable. The law of unintended consequence.
Players no longer tire adequately, defences don't break down. Keep the ball in play more across the 80mins and they'd have to be fitter, which means smaller.
throw in the break for scrums. the break for the TMO, the break for lineouts. There are a lot of opportunities for pro athletes with elite fitness levels to grab a breath. Then you get to sub half of your team.
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@antipodean said in Injuries:
I think we need to reduce the number of subs and speed the game up so the players can't maintain the bulk as well. Make fitness more of a factor, and reduce the impact of the collisions.
I've said that for years and I'm certainly not the Lone Ranger there. The hilarious part of increasing the bench size was the current state of rugby was perfectly predictable. The law of unintended consequence.
Players no longer tire adequately, defences don't break down. Keep the ball in play more across the 80mins and they'd have to be fitter, which means smaller.
Yep, I blame the South Africans when they started faking injuries to use their subs.
cough mark cooksley cough
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@mariner4life said in Injuries:
cough mark cooksley cough
There were two black marks against Mains in that incident. Cheating during a Lions Test and being stupid enough to pick Cooksley in the first place
@Duluth the first black mark was at least mitigating the second.
TBF while he was on the field the Lions took a two point lead. In the 2nd half after Jones replaced him due to his severe injury the Lions scored 11 unanswered.
Cooksley played his last test in 2001 which beggars belief
