All Blacks v Ireland II
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Underdogs?..
So if New Zealand somehow some way manage to overcome Ireland, the world media will be full of headlines about shock upset, first win for New Zealand in nearly a fortnight....etc, etc
Can't wait.
@Pot-Hale TBF, it has been a long fortnight, I expect for differing reasons for players and fans of each team
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@Pot-Hale TBF, it has been a long fortnight, I expect for differing reasons for players and fans of each team
@taniwharugby said in Ireland II:
@Pot-Hale TBF, it has been a long fortnight, I expect for differing reasons for players and fans of each team
I find the whole circus quite amusing. I've never seen so many articles published on one game - or two even. There was even an article in one NZ paper talking about 5 Irish players to watch out for. That was a first. Normally NZ players say they don't know any of the names of the players. Luke Fitzgerald does his 'controversial' quote by saying the NZ selection for the last game was a bit arrogant, which the media lapped up. Mystique and Aura made an appearance courtesy of Dev Toner. And now Hansen says NZ are underdogs.
I haven't seen such hoopla since 2009.
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@taniwharugby said in Ireland II:
@Pot-Hale TBF, it has been a long fortnight, I expect for differing reasons for players and fans of each team
I find the whole circus quite amusing. I've never seen so many articles published on one game - or two even. There was even an article in one NZ paper talking about 5 Irish players to watch out for. That was a first. Normally NZ players say they don't know any of the names of the players. Luke Fitzgerald does his 'controversial' quote by saying the NZ selection for the last game was a bit arrogant, which the media lapped up. Mystique and Aura made an appearance courtesy of Dev Toner. And now Hansen says NZ are underdogs.
I haven't seen such hoopla since 2009.
@Pot-Hale expect that is more reflective of lazy journalism.
Although I do recall reading something before the Chicago test that had match-ups to watch for, but only really looked at halfback, hooker and centre (which I think was because Payne was playing centre)
I liken this to the tension before the RWC final in 2011.
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@Pot-Hale see, you are blessed. Every year you get the 6N, with all its hatred and passion, you'll generally lose at least one game, and you can have recriminations etc. There is normally a reverse in November, and in June as well. You're used to it. The press are used to it. The team is used to it. There is always someone to talk up, someone to rubbish, someone to heap blame/hope on. You get to live man, to actually live.
We have spent the last few years ritually disemboweling all and sundry. Our closest rivals have fallen in a hole somewhat. We normally waltz through November. We haven't lost a home test since time immemorial. The 4N is usually over with a couple of rounds to go. And our "press" are left with either crowing arrogantly about how great we are, crowing about why we have the 25 best players in the world, and how dare anyone disagree, or trying desperately to stay humble despite wanting to crow about how great we are.
Then we get a shock reverse and they are a bit lost. So they tend to grab the opportunity to live as the other half do. Recrimination! hindsight! talk up the opposition! underdogs! and as it's new ground for them, and they are not that bright, they don't do it well. I would take it all as a compliment.
All Blacks by 25
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@Pot-Hale see, you are blessed. Every year you get the 6N, with all its hatred and passion, you'll generally lose at least one game, and you can have recriminations etc. There is normally a reverse in November, and in June as well. You're used to it. The press are used to it. The team is used to it. There is always someone to talk up, someone to rubbish, someone to heap blame/hope on. You get to live man, to actually live.
We have spent the last few years ritually disemboweling all and sundry. Our closest rivals have fallen in a hole somewhat. We normally waltz through November. We haven't lost a home test since time immemorial. The 4N is usually over with a couple of rounds to go. And our "press" are left with either crowing arrogantly about how great we are, crowing about why we have the 25 best players in the world, and how dare anyone disagree, or trying desperately to stay humble despite wanting to crow about how great we are.
Then we get a shock reverse and they are a bit lost. So they tend to grab the opportunity to live as the other half do. Recrimination! hindsight! talk up the opposition! underdogs! and as it's new ground for them, and they are not that bright, they don't do it well. I would take it all as a compliment.
All Blacks by 25
@mariner4life you forgot the bleating about how boring the game
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@Pot-Hale expect that is more reflective of lazy journalism.
Although I do recall reading something before the Chicago test that had match-ups to watch for, but only really looked at halfback, hooker and centre (which I think was because Payne was playing centre)
I liken this to the tension before the RWC final in 2011.
@taniwharugby said in Ireland II:
@Pot-Hale
I liken this to the tension before the RWC final in 2011.
Really?
Jeez. I'm not going to be able to watch it live unfortunately as it's my son's birthday and go-karting is more interesting to himself and his mates. I'll either want to watch a replay or won't want to depending on the winning margin. :).
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@Pot-Hale see, you are blessed. Every year you get the 6N, with all its hatred and passion, you'll generally lose at least one game, and you can have recriminations etc. There is normally a reverse in November, and in June as well. You're used to it. The press are used to it. The team is used to it. There is always someone to talk up, someone to rubbish, someone to heap blame/hope on. You get to live man, to actually live.
We have spent the last few years ritually disemboweling all and sundry. Our closest rivals have fallen in a hole somewhat. We normally waltz through November. We haven't lost a home test since time immemorial. The 4N is usually over with a couple of rounds to go. And our "press" are left with either crowing arrogantly about how great we are, crowing about why we have the 25 best players in the world, and how dare anyone disagree, or trying desperately to stay humble despite wanting to crow about how great we are.
Then we get a shock reverse and they are a bit lost. So they tend to grab the opportunity to live as the other half do. Recrimination! hindsight! talk up the opposition! underdogs! and as it's new ground for them, and they are not that bright, they don't do it well. I would take it all as a compliment.
All Blacks by 25
@mariner4life said in Ireland II:
@Pot-Hale see, you are blessed. Every year you get the 6N, with all its hatred and passion, you'll generally lose at least one game, and you can have recriminations etc. There is normally a reverse in November, and in June as well. You're used to it. The press are used to it. The team is used to it. There is always someone to talk up, someone to rubbish, someone to heap blame/hope on. You get to live man, to actually live.
We have spent the last few years ritually disemboweling all and sundry. Our closest rivals have fallen in a hole somewhat. We normally waltz through November. We haven't lost a home test since time immemorial. The 4N is usually over with a couple of rounds to go. And our "press" are left with either crowing arrogantly about how great we are, crowing about why we have the 25 best players in the world, and how dare anyone disagree, or trying desperately to stay humble despite wanting to crow about how great we are.
Then we get a shock reverse and they are a bit lost. So they tend to grab the opportunity to live as the other half do. Recrimination! hindsight! talk up the opposition! underdogs! and as it's new ground for them, and they are not that bright, they don't do it well. I would take it all as a compliment.
All Blacks by 25
Now that is the best comment posted in the last fortnight.
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@taniwharugby said in Ireland II:
@Pot-Hale
I liken this to the tension before the RWC final in 2011.
Really?
Jeez. I'm not going to be able to watch it live unfortunately as it's my son's birthday and go-karting is more interesting to himself and his mates. I'll either want to watch a replay or won't want to depending on the winning margin. :).
@Pot-Hale as I said above, it is a game we know we should win if we play well, but a fortnight ago, showed if we are off by even a small margin and the Irish play well again...well, I guess its just lucky I don't see my cousins Irish partner too often
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@Pot-Hale as I said above, it is a game we know we should win if we play well, but a fortnight ago, showed if we are off by even a small margin and the Irish play well again...well, I guess its just lucky I don't see my cousins Irish partner too often
@taniwharugby said in Ireland II:
@Pot-Hale as I said above, it is a game we know we should win if we play well, but a fortnight ago, showed if we are off by even a small margin and the Irish play well again...well, I guess its just lucky I don't see my cousins Irish partner too often
Yes I could see how that would be annoying. Given the Irish habit of living off one victory for over a hundred years. Or over 800 years if it's against the British obviously....
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@taniwharugby said in Ireland II:
@Pot-Hale as I said above, it is a game we know we should win if we play well, but a fortnight ago, showed if we are off by even a small margin and the Irish play well again...well, I guess its just lucky I don't see my cousins Irish partner too often
Yes I could see how that would be annoying. Given the Irish habit of living off one victory for over a hundred years. Or over 800 years if it's against the British obviously....
@Pot-Hale ha he's not that bad really, actually a good fluffybunny.
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@taniwharugby said in Ireland II:
@Pot-Hale
I liken this to the tension before the RWC final in 2011.
Really?
Jeez. I'm not going to be able to watch it live unfortunately as it's my son's birthday and go-karting is more interesting to himself and his mates. I'll either want to watch a replay or won't want to depending on the winning margin. :).
@Pot-Hale said in Ireland II:
Jeez. I'm not going to be able to watch it live unfortunately as it's my son's birthday and go-karting is more interesting to himself and his mates. I'll either want to watch a replay or won't want to depending on the winning margin. :).
Don't worry PH, it's only the All Blacks
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@Billy-Tell I trust you marked today by shooting an apple off your son's head?
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@reprobate
selective quoting doesn't necessarily equate to hubrisThere were plenty predicting Ireland could win one of the 2 games on tour - just most didn't think it would be Chicago and again, most are saying pretty much the same as you. AB's should win - after all they are #1 for a reason - but if they're off their game Ireland are certainly capable of taking advantage.
@dogmeat Ah mate, i wasn't trying to suggest any hubris, just that NZ were and remain, favourites and that it is not just @Pot-Hale that would suggest that.
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@Billy-Tell I trust you marked today by shooting an apple off your son's head?
@No-Quarter said in Ireland II:
@Billy-Tell I trust you marked today by shooting an apple off your son's head?
I only have daughters. And in case you were wondering, no I didn't formerly have a son who perished in an unfortunate shooting accident.
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@Tregaskis said in Ireland II:
@Catogrande You just concentrate on maintaining your soon-to-be-world-record winning streak.
Already our record with 25 wins on the trot between March 2002 and March 2004, on account of the loss v France in 2003 was only a B team so it doesn't count.
So fuck Cyprus.
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No panic stations , Hansen sticks with his trusted soldiers which is ok. He was never going to drop Barrett, that would have reeked of panic, hopefully Moody has been warned on discipline after flirting with a red card. I have not been a fan of Savea this year but I would hope a wider pitch is good for a few more blockbusting runs. Aaron Smith owes the team a big one.
@DMX said in Ireland II:
Aaron Smith owes the team a big one.
As long as he doesn't pull it out when they are in the toilet. Anyway, Smith has to, he has genuine competition now for his starting position..
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@Stargazer said in Ireland II:
Ireland
1 Jack McGrath, 2. Rory Best (c), 3. Tadhg Furlong, 4. Donnacha Ryan, 5. Devin Toner, 6. CJ Stander, 7. Sean O'Brien, 8. Jamie Heaslip,
9 Conor Murray, 10. Johnny Sexton, 11. Simon Zebo, 12. Robbie Henshaw, 13. Jared Payne, 14. Andrew Trimble, 15. Rob Kearney.Reserves: 16. Sean Cronin, 17. Cian Healy, 18. Finlay Bealham, 19. Iain Henderson, 20. Josh Van der Flier, 21. Kieran Marmion, 22. Paddy Jackson, 23. Garry Ringrose.
Bunch of no names with no chance.
Quite, they are a bunch of no names in NZ eyes. That's why it was so impressive in Chicago.
Let's not forget how they lost to the argies in the rwc.
It is inconceivable we lose to them tomorrow. But it is a possibility and that's why tomorrow is the biggest game of the year for me.
I can't wait, feels like the biggest game for a long time.
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Quite, they are a bunch of no names in NZ eyes. That's why it was so impressive in Chicago.
Let's not forget how they lost to the argies in the rwc.
It is inconceivable we lose to them tomorrow. But it is a possibility and that's why tomorrow is the biggest game of the year for me.
I can't wait, feels like the biggest game for a long time.
@da_grubster said in Ireland II:
It is inconceivable we lose to them tomorrow. But it is a possibility and that's why tomorrow is the biggest game of the year for me.
I can't wait, feels like the biggest game for a long time.
What was the last "big game feel" match with a lot of pride on the line that they lost? Cardiff maybe - but some would argue part of the reason we lost was because we didn't treat it as a big game going into it. It certainly didn't feel like it to me going into it.
In all honesty it is probably the 2003 semi final where there was an expectation/necessity to do the business and they failed.
In between they've triumphed in 14 games that had that "big match feel" by my count since then; first test in the 2004 England series, 2004 Paris, first two tests of the Lions Series, 2005 English Grand Slam fixture, 2008 Auckland Bledisloe decider, 2009 Marseille, semi and final in 2011 RWC, 2013 TRC decider, 2015 Auckland Bledisloe decider, quarter/semi/final in 2015. Perhaps throw the 2010 Soccer City game in there too.
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Quite, they are a bunch of no names in NZ eyes. That's why it was so impressive in Chicago.
Let's not forget how they lost to the argies in the rwc.
It is inconceivable we lose to them tomorrow. But it is a possibility and that's why tomorrow is the biggest game of the year for me.
I can't wait, feels like the biggest game for a long time.
@da_grubster said in Ireland II:
It is inconceivable we lose to them tomorrow. But it is a possibility ...
Um Grubby ...
... but i get what you mean.
