All Blacks v Ireland II
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@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@JayCee said in Ireland II:
Cane, not guilty. Thank fuck for that.
I just heard the cries of anguish drift over the Irish sea toward me.
Another eternal chip on the shoulder they can carry.
The whole thing was a joke and I'm delighted for cane.
I suppose now we get the "judiciary is run by NZ" malarchy
BT - you're evidently carrying a spear for Ireland and the Irish. That's fine, that's your bag. Generalisms about whinging, hardening up, etc, etc are just so much hot air. Much like the media articles that seem to be upsetting you so much. I'd question if you ever would want the opportunity to fight alongside someone Irish in any kind of war - sounds to me like you'd want to be on the other side.
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@Hooroo said in Ireland II:
@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
@Pot-Hale said in Ireland II:
@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@JayCee said in Ireland II:
Cane, not guilty. Thank fuck for that.
I just heard the cries of anguish drift over the Irish sea toward me.
Another eternal chip on the shoulder they can carry.
The whole thing was a joke and I'm delighted for cane.
I suppose now we get the "judiciary is run by NZ" malarchy
BT - you're evidently carrying a spear for Ireland and the Irish. That's fine, that's your bag. Generalisms about whinging, hardening up, etc, etc are just so much hot air. Much like the media articles that seem to be upsetting you so much. I'd question if you ever would want the opportunity to fight alongside someone Irish in any kind of war - sounds to me like you'd want to be on the other side.
As an aside why do you spend so much time on this forum, the roar, posting comments on stuff etc and not on those of your compatriots?
It's a free world and you do want you want, your views are enjoyed but do you not pine for the comforts of home at times?
Because he is welcome here
Didn't say he wasn't.
@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
@Hooroo said in Ireland II:
@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
@Pot-Hale said in Ireland II:
@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@JayCee said in Ireland II:
Cane, not guilty. Thank fuck for that.
I just heard the cries of anguish drift over the Irish sea toward me.
Another eternal chip on the shoulder they can carry.
The whole thing was a joke and I'm delighted for cane.
I suppose now we get the "judiciary is run by NZ" malarchy
BT - you're evidently carrying a spear for Ireland and the Irish. That's fine, that's your bag. Generalisms about whinging, hardening up, etc, etc are just so much hot air. Much like the media articles that seem to be upsetting you so much. I'd question if you ever would want the opportunity to fight alongside someone Irish in any kind of war - sounds to me like you'd want to be on the other side.
As an aside why do you spend so much time on this forum, the roar, posting comments on stuff etc and not on those of your compatriots?
It's a free world and you do want you want, your views are enjoyed but do you not pine for the comforts of home at times?
Because he is welcome here
Didn't say he wasn't.
And I am giving you an answer as to why he may spend time on here
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One thing I would say is that at the game I was sitting beside an Irish acquaintance who is a good rugby man. Before kick off we discussed Jack O'Piper and he indicated that the Irish didn't like him after he let Guirado hammer Sexton with impunity in the previous France match. Not whingeing, just stating the fact. No quibbles after the event with the result. Did bemoan the fact that poor Irish kicking helped our cause significantly. Thought Barrett strip ought to have been a try. Like everywhere some Irish flamin gallahs but also some great rugby folk.
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@Pot-Hale said in Ireland II:
@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@JayCee said in Ireland II:
Cane, not guilty. Thank fuck for that.
I just heard the cries of anguish drift over the Irish sea toward me.
Another eternal chip on the shoulder they can carry.
The whole thing was a joke and I'm delighted for cane.
I suppose now we get the "judiciary is run by NZ" malarchy
BT - you're evidently carrying a spear for Ireland and the Irish. That's fine, that's your bag. Generalisms about whinging, hardening up, etc, etc are just so much hot air. Much like the media articles that seem to be upsetting you so much. I'd question if you ever would want the opportunity to fight alongside someone Irish in any kind of war - sounds to me like you'd want to be on the other side.
As an aside why do you spend so much time on this forum, the roar, posting comments on stuff etc and not on those of your compatriots?
It's a free world and you do want you want, your views are enjoyed but do you not pine for the comforts of home at times?
@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
@Pot-Hale said in Ireland II:
@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@JayCee said in Ireland II:
Cane, not guilty. Thank fuck for that.
I just heard the cries of anguish drift over the Irish sea toward me.
Another eternal chip on the shoulder they can carry.
The whole thing was a joke and I'm delighted for cane.
I suppose now we get the "judiciary is run by NZ" malarchy
BT - you're evidently carrying a spear for Ireland and the Irish. That's fine, that's your bag. Generalisms about whinging, hardening up, etc, etc are just so much hot air. Much like the media articles that seem to be upsetting you so much. I'd question if you ever would want the opportunity to fight alongside someone Irish in any kind of war - sounds to me like you'd want to be on the other side.
As an aside why do you spend so much time on this forum, the roar, posting comments on stuff etc and not on those of your compatriots?
It's a free world and you do want you want, your views are enjoyed but do you not pine for the comforts of home at times?
There aren't any discussion fora in Ireland like the Fern or the Roar. I enjoy discussions with fans from further afield than Ireland. I enjoy writing articles from time to time on different aspects of rugby which these fora allow me to do.
I do participate in a discussion forum from U.K., mainly to do with club rugby and sometimes the Six Nations.
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The actual ruling is that the Cane tackle was deemed accidental.
Could have told you all that days ago.
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@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
@Pot-Hale said in Ireland II:
@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@JayCee said in Ireland II:
Cane, not guilty. Thank fuck for that.
I just heard the cries of anguish drift over the Irish sea toward me.
Another eternal chip on the shoulder they can carry.
The whole thing was a joke and I'm delighted for cane.
I suppose now we get the "judiciary is run by NZ" malarchy
BT - you're evidently carrying a spear for Ireland and the Irish. That's fine, that's your bag. Generalisms about whinging, hardening up, etc, etc are just so much hot air. Much like the media articles that seem to be upsetting you so much. I'd question if you ever would want the opportunity to fight alongside someone Irish in any kind of war - sounds to me like you'd want to be on the other side.
As an aside why do you spend so much time on this forum, the roar, posting comments on stuff etc and not on those of your compatriots?
It's a free world and you do want you want, your views are enjoyed but do you not pine for the comforts of home at times?
There aren't any discussion fora in Ireland like the Fern or the Roar. I enjoy discussions with fans from further afield than Ireland. I enjoy writing articles from time to time on different aspects of rugby which these fora allow me to do.
I do participate in a discussion forum from U.K., mainly to do with club rugby and sometimes the Six Nations.
@Pot-Hale said in Ireland II:
@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
@Pot-Hale said in Ireland II:
@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@JayCee said in Ireland II:
Cane, not guilty. Thank fuck for that.
I just heard the cries of anguish drift over the Irish sea toward me.
Another eternal chip on the shoulder they can carry.
The whole thing was a joke and I'm delighted for cane.
I suppose now we get the "judiciary is run by NZ" malarchy
BT - you're evidently carrying a spear for Ireland and the Irish. That's fine, that's your bag. Generalisms about whinging, hardening up, etc, etc are just so much hot air. Much like the media articles that seem to be upsetting you so much. I'd question if you ever would want the opportunity to fight alongside someone Irish in any kind of war - sounds to me like you'd want to be on the other side.
As an aside why do you spend so much time on this forum, the roar, posting comments on stuff etc and not on those of your compatriots?
It's a free world and you do want you want, your views are enjoyed but do you not pine for the comforts of home at times?
There aren't any discussion fora in Ireland like the Fern or the Roar. I enjoy discussions with fans from further afield than Ireland. I enjoy writing articles from time to time on different aspects of rugby which these fora allow me to do.
I do participate in a discussion forum from U.K., mainly to do with club rugby and sometimes the Six Nations.
You get a pass for using the plural fora. A learned man of good breeding. Although I think forums is also correct, but less romantic.
Let me lose the run of myself from time to time.
Where is poth ale made by the way?
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@Pot-Hale said in Ireland II:
@Tregaskis said in Ireland II:
@Billy-Tell That's an epic whinge packed into a short report of a radio interview.
Here's the highlights:
I thought I was at the Colosseum on Saturday night...
deeply, deeply disturbing
The game is in serious trouble, because this is a disgrace
What happened to Robbie Henshaw is a disgrace
I think there was three head injuries, a number of neck injuries
The All Blacks raped my grandma and poured sugar in my petrol tank.Paul Kimmage has been winding himself up into a lather on rugby for some time, and he has them now firmly in the crosshairs of his crusading sights. It's not really a New Zealand thing, it's more, well, all of rugby really.
Is he the head injury crusade guy? What's his background?
@Rapido said in Ireland II:
@Pot-Hale said in Ireland II:
@Tregaskis said in Ireland II:
@Billy-Tell That's an epic whinge packed into a short report of a radio interview.
Here's the highlights:
I thought I was at the Colosseum on Saturday night...
deeply, deeply disturbing
The game is in serious trouble, because this is a disgrace
What happened to Robbie Henshaw is a disgrace
I think there was three head injuries, a number of neck injuries
The All Blacks raped my grandma and poured sugar in my petrol tank.Paul Kimmage has been winding himself up into a lather on rugby for some time, and he has them now firmly in the crosshairs of his crusading sights. It's not really a New Zealand thing, it's more, well, all of rugby really.
Is he the head injury crusade guy? What's his background?
He is. Well one of them. Along with PEDs. His background is in cycling, and he wrote a book many years ago - Rough Ride - about the goings on he had first hand experience of on the Tour and other circuits. He wasn't popular as a result particularly from the Irish darling of the time, tour winner, Stephen Roche.
Kimmage gave up cycling and moved into writing/journalism. He partnered up with David Walsh, another Irish journo not popular with the dopers on the Tour. Kimmage famously wrote of Armstrong coming back into cycling after his cancer treatment as the cancer is back. Armstrong publicly excoriated him at an international press conference for the remark playing the big man and belittling him. Kimmage is a terrier and does not let go. Himself and Walsh were quietly chuffed when reality finally caught up with Lance.
Himself and Neil Francis have been beating steady drums on PEDs in rugby for a while now and Kimmage said he had decided to conduct an investigation into it. Which will be another terrier job if he's convinced there's a story there.
Wait and see.
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More info about the decisions on Planet Rugby's website: http://www.planetrugby.com/news/fekitoa-banned-cane-free-to-play/
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Tin foil hat time..
Intimidation tactics make referees lenient on All Blacks to protect their own careers, top coach says.
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Tin foil hat time..
Intimidation tactics make referees lenient on All Blacks to protect their own careers, top coach says.
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Ha - the terror the rest of the fucking world lives in lest New Zealand get cross with them! Apparently, especially the Australians.
Imagine the size of the balls Vernon Pugh must have had when he took the RWC2003 hosting rights off us. I'm surprised we didn't nuke London in retaliation. What did we do? Must have been something brutal that I missed. Force them to play Shortland Street on the BBC?
Not sure why Jaco Peyper would have been worried about sending anyone else off - his career was already fucked when he yellow-carded Aaron Smith.
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@Pot-Hale said in Ireland II:
@Tregaskis said in Ireland II:
@Billy-Tell That's an epic whinge packed into a short report of a radio interview.
Here's the highlights:
I thought I was at the Colosseum on Saturday night...
deeply, deeply disturbing
The game is in serious trouble, because this is a disgrace
What happened to Robbie Henshaw is a disgrace
I think there was three head injuries, a number of neck injuries
The All Blacks raped my grandma and poured sugar in my petrol tank.Paul Kimmage has been winding himself up into a lather on rugby for some time, and he has them now firmly in the crosshairs of his crusading sights. It's not really a New Zealand thing, it's more, well, all of rugby really.
Ah look I know you are Irish Poth Ale, and I know Kimmage is not really a rugby-head, but the Indo is just publishing these articles one after the other. I would hate to have fought alongside an Irishman in one of the world wars, "harden up" is just not an Irish characteristic. If the Irish win it's Guinness all round, and if you lose it's salt and vinegar chips (extra strong), seasoned with bitter lemons. What cracks me up is Irish rugby fans go on and on and on and on about the Welsh being poor losers etc, and I feel like saying "you can buy a mirror cheaply at the €2 shop". Yes, there are exceptions and we have had a couple of very balanced irish posters here, but in general whether it's Irish websites, English websites, the Roar that you frequent, the rugby forum, planet rugby, it's just a whinge-fest from irish posters. Not to mention the hypocrisy - the depths some Irish went to defend SOB's punch against France in the RWC pool match last year were just risible. Then you see irish media manager go on.
I would love to hear Schmidt go "would you please shut the f up, we got beaten by a side that defended better than we attacked, end of story"
As pointed out by others, if it's always external factors that explain your losses, you'll never take a hard look at what the Irish team could/should do better.
The French game this week will be a breath of fresh air.
As an aside, I'm picking Australia to beat ireland but (sadly) lose to England. I hope Ireland beat England though in the 6N
a) Because it's England
b) Because England with 19 consecutive test victories would require Ireland to export me some of its choicest lemons to suck on.@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
I would hate to have fought alongside an Irishman in one of the world wars, "harden up" is just not an Irish characteristic.
I'll probably be labeled another Irish whinger for this but that's a fairly unnecessary comment to throw about when discussing a rugby match and a few clowns on the internet.
Tens of thousands of Irishmen and women gave their lives to those wars and just as those from England, France, New Zealand or anywhere else, they deserve better than having their "hardness" questioned by some fella sitting on a sofa behind a laptop.
It's just a game man. Ye won this one fair and square so just try to enjoy that for a while if you can.
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Tin foil hat time..
Intimidation tactics make referees lenient on All Blacks to protect their own careers, top coach says.
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I've enjoyed this thread as a small place of sanity where rational rugby fans gather to discuss the game. Please stop any references to wars and cowardice etc as we really don't need it here.
So far I haven't seen any complaints by Joe Schmidt about the game - that is good for Ireland. He's a canny chap, he'll be learning the lessons and planning for the next time.
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@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
I would hate to have fought alongside an Irishman in one of the world wars, "harden up" is just not an Irish characteristic.
I'll probably be labeled another Irish whinger for this but that's a fairly unnecessary comment to throw about when discussing a rugby match and a few clowns on the internet.
Tens of thousands of Irishmen and women gave their lives to those wars and just as those from England, France, New Zealand or anywhere else, they deserve better than having their "hardness" questioned by some fella sitting on a sofa behind a laptop.
It's just a game man. Ye won this one fair and square so just try to enjoy that for a while if you can.
@munstergreen said in Ireland II:
@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
I would hate to have fought alongside an Irishman in one of the world wars, "harden up" is just not an Irish characteristic.
I'll probably be labeled another Irish whinger for this but that's a fairly unnecessary comment to throw about when discussing a rugby match and a few clowns on the internet.
Tens of thousands of Irishmen and women gave their lives to those wars and just as those from England, France, New Zealand or anywhere else, they deserve better than having their "hardness" questioned by some fella sitting on a sofa behind a laptop.
It's just a game man. Ye won this one fair and square so just try to enjoy that for a while if you can.
Yeah that's totally fair, especially given I was born in the 70s! Pent up frustration got the better of me. I don't think NZ could have been more magnanimous after Chicago but the "favour" has not been remotely returned. I've seen hysterical levels of Irish angst about Sam Cane, that the citing process has shown to be a crock of pooh.
Look, I have a number of Irish mates, who have all been much more reasonable, and I apologise for the World War reference which wasn't really on.
I just think it's a crying shame the aftermath of what I thought was a magnificent test match, and I think a few of us are quite jealous of that performance by the Irish backrow, which was magnificent, and should have been match-winning.
I'll settle down no doubt, and I do look forward to the Ire-Aussie game. I would love to see Carbery start and Joe do something different with his back 3, although the loss of Henshaw probably means changes will be minimised.
I don't think I've seen a more exciting emerging NH backrow talent than VDF, he is a keeper.
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@Virgil Unfortunately all this whinging from the opposition is having an impact on how the refs are perceiving the ABs. The fact that they are the most penalised team in world rugby is largely due to this.
@akan004 said in Ireland II:
@Virgil Unfortunately all this whinging from the opposition is having an impact on how the refs are perceiving the ABs. The fact that they are the most penalised team in world rugby is largely due to this.
Mind reader in your time off are you?
I don't think what fans or media say has any major influence on what a ref does in the heat of the moment during a test match.
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@akan004 said in Ireland II:
@Virgil Unfortunately all this whinging from the opposition is having an impact on how the refs are perceiving the ABs. The fact that they are the most penalised team in world rugby is largely due to this.
Mind reader in your time off are you?
I don't think what fans or media say has any major influence on what a ref does in the heat of the moment during a test match.
@ACT-Crusader said in Ireland II:
@akan004 said in Ireland II:
@Virgil Unfortunately all this whinging from the opposition is having an impact on how the refs are perceiving the ABs. The fact that they are the most penalised team in world rugby is largely due to this.
Mind reader in your time off are you?
I don't think what fans or media say has any major influence on what a ref does in the heat of the moment during a test match.
Am pretty sure refs read newspapers too and subconsciously absorb some of what is being said. Much like how the wallaby scrum used to be penalsied unfairly on a number of occasions due to the reputation they had of being a weak scrum. It happens.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Ireland II:
@akan004 said in Ireland II:
@Virgil Unfortunately all this whinging from the opposition is having an impact on how the refs are perceiving the ABs. The fact that they are the most penalised team in world rugby is largely due to this.
Mind reader in your time off are you?
I don't think what fans or media say has any major influence on what a ref does in the heat of the moment during a test match.
Am pretty sure refs read newspapers too and subconsciously absorb some of what is being said. Much like how the wallaby scrum used to be penalsied unfairly on a number of occasions due to the reputation they had of being a weak scrum. It happens.
@akan004 said in Ireland II:
@ACT-Crusader said in Ireland II:
@akan004 said in Ireland II:
@Virgil Unfortunately all this whinging from the opposition is having an impact on how the refs are perceiving the ABs. The fact that they are the most penalised team in world rugby is largely due to this.
Mind reader in your time off are you?
I don't think what fans or media say has any major influence on what a ref does in the heat of the moment during a test match.
Am pretty sure refs read newspapers too and subconsciously absorb some of what is being said. Much like how the wallaby scrum used to be penalsied unfairly on a number of occasions due to the reputation they had of being a weak scrum. It happens.
Awesome, so if we plant some stuff in social medea to certain refs we can control the game through the refs subconscious!! Brilliant!!
