Black Caps vs Bangles
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@mimic said in Black Caps vs Bangles:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps vs Bangles:
Is anyone else worried by Kane's wee form slump? Maybe I am being too harsh but it seems he is not scoring as much since he took on the captaincy.
I'm more worried that Munro is performing well enough against the bangas to keep his spot for another 2 years
I can remember thinking exactly the same thing about Rosscoe when he first started. He's turned out OK.
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@Damo said in Black Caps vs Bangles:
@mimic said in Black Caps vs Bangles:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps vs Bangles:
Is anyone else worried by Kane's wee form slump? Maybe I am being too harsh but it seems he is not scoring as much since he took on the captaincy.
I'm more worried that Munro is performing well enough against the bangas to keep his spot for another 2 years
I can remember thinking exactly the same thing about Rosscoe when he first started. He's turned out OK.
I thought Taylor was hyped up a lot when he made the team?
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@hydro11 said in Black Caps vs Bangles:
@Damo said in Black Caps vs Bangles:
@mimic said in Black Caps vs Bangles:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps vs Bangles:
Is anyone else worried by Kane's wee form slump? Maybe I am being too harsh but it seems he is not scoring as much since he took on the captaincy.
I'm more worried that Munro is performing well enough against the bangas to keep his spot for another 2 years
I can remember thinking exactly the same thing about Rosscoe when he first started. He's turned out OK.
I thought Taylor was hyped up a lot when he made the team?
He was a dirty slogger back then
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@mimic said in Black Caps vs Bangles:
Taylor was good i thought, he just loved the slog sweep lol.. It was his go to shot, so i guess thats why people thought he was a slogger..
He got out playing a lot of stupid shots back then. He has cut that out of his game now. I think his technique actually used to be better. He plays less dumb shots now but his technique has deteriorated a little which makes him a slightly better batsman overall.
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Is McMillan our bowling coach as well - what is it with all the bouncers our quicks were bowling?
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@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps vs Bangles:
Is anyone else worried by Kane's wee form slump? Maybe I am being too harsh but it seems he is not scoring as much since he took on the captaincy.
No, but Andrew Alderson read your post and decided to answer in the Herald.
"As a captain in eight tests, Williamson's average is 50.91 compared to 49.23 beforehand. He has led in 28 of his 102 ODIs for an average of 48.38 contrasted against 45.13 in his 74 other matches. In T20Is his average is 36.33 in 17 games as skipper versus 32.46 in the 18 contests he wasn't."
This is QI. The guys ahead of him weren't too bad...and he beat a few gooduns too.
"Williamson became the fastest New Zealander to 4000 ODI runs. He completed the achievement in 96 innings, beating Martin Guptill's mark of 112. Williamson was the fourth fastest in history behind Hashim Amla (81), Sir Viv Richards (88) and Virat Kohli (93). He was equal with Gordon Greenidge and in front of Brian Lara (100), Dean Jones (102), Sourav Ganguly and AB de Villiers (105)."
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11773600
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those are not honest stats though.
They include the whole of Kanes career VS captain. We all know in the first few years he was below par and only averaged in the 30s while in the last few years before the captaincy when he was rated the best in the world he was averaging in the high 60s.
If you compare the last 2 or 3 seasons before he assumed the captaincy vs his record since becoming captain he has slumped quite a bit.
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Looking at the stats..
8 tests as captain (against Zimbabwe (2), South Africa (2), India (2), Pakistan (2))
Average 50.91
1x 100s
5x 50s8 tests before he was made captain (agaisnt England (1), Australia (5), Sri Lanka (2))
Average 60.28
3x 100s
4x 50sInterestingly, if you remove his scores against Zimbabwe as captain, Kane's average drops to 33.9.
So yes, he is in a form slump. -
Agree that he is a bit of a slump but removing the scores against Zim is well... massaging the numbers as per above.
An average is exactly that - an average and has to include all innings. Most players have better figures if Zim is included. I guess the only way around that is to have their test status removed, along with NZ up until the 80's. Oh, and Bangladesh until about 2010. Oh and India away from home for while. England had some shit times. O.K so only averages against Australia count.
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You need a bit of luck at the crease, no matter how well you are playing. I'm not sure he's in a slump, when he's out there he's looking good and getting starts - he isn't scratching around looking for runs. He just hasn't kicked on as regularly in recent time. I'm picking he gets a big one in the next couple of games.
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@No-Quarter Hope so. He can be great to watch - a real artist.
