2017 School Rugby
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@African-Monkey said in 2017 School Rugby:
The Auckland comp very tight as usual. Lack of bonus points could cost St Peters despite having most wins so far.
Yup, St Peter's and De La Salle suffering with the lack of bonus points.
St Peter's defence is amazing though.. Still surprised that they lost to Grammar..MAGS and De La Salle are suffering with injuries (each with 5+ players out) though.. The holidays can't come quick enough for them
@mimic Yes AGS is usually a fixture we get up for as well and have had a fair bit of success over them in recent years. La Salle dropping points against Kelston could prove costly in the end.
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Long time lurker first time poster.
Ok im a Northern Hemisphere poster but have spent time in NZ and just thinking through NZ's rugby success and alot of it seems to be down to the 1st iv competition which seems to have grown important than local club rugby it seems.
But how does it work, ok I get that each franchise have their championship i.e. the blues championship is Auckland 1a vs the North Harbour Competition( Whangerei is Northland i suppose)
While the Crusades championship is a league with the top 15 college in the reason.
The other three regions I have no idea.
I know there is an Otago Competition and a Southland competition but it seems that Southland Boys high 1st iv dont even play in the Southland competition?
The Hurricanes competition and the Chiefs competition i dont know how they work, in the Hurricanes I know the wellington comp gets a semifinalist but the super 8 thing, i duno how that works?
Would anyone care to enlighten me on the structure?
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It's complicated.
The Super 8 was formed in 1997 and incorporates the eight boys' high schools from their respective provincial cities of the central North Island.
From north to south that is:
Tauranga
Hamilton
Rotorua
Gisborne
New Plymouth
Napier
Hastings
Palmerston NorthThey play a round robin each year with the top 2 teams meeting in the final. The winner of the Super 8 is not guaranteed to make the top 4 for the nationals though as further games are played to determine the representatives from each region (Blues, Chiefs, Hurricanes and South Island). The Super 8 has 4 teams from the Chiefs region and 4 teams from the Hurricanes region. The latter teams will have to play schools from Wellington to decide the Hurricanes winner.
There is also a Central North Island competition which features 10 other schools not in the Super 8.
In the Chiefs region the winners from each province (Counties, Waikato, BOP and Taranaki) will play in SFs and a final with the winner advancing to the Top 4.
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Long time lurker first time poster.
Ok im a Northern Hemisphere poster but have spent time in NZ and just thinking through NZ's rugby success and alot of it seems to be down to the 1st iv competition which seems to have grown important than local club rugby it seems.
But how does it work, ok I get that each franchise have their championship i.e. the blues championship is Auckland 1a vs the North Harbour Competition( Whangerei is Northland i suppose)
While the Crusades championship is a league with the top 15 college in the reason.
The other three regions I have no idea.
I know there is an Otago Competition and a Southland competition but it seems that Southland Boys high 1st iv dont even play in the Southland competition?
The Hurricanes competition and the Chiefs competition i dont know how they work, in the Hurricanes I know the wellington comp gets a semifinalist but the super 8 thing, i duno how that works?
Would anyone care to enlighten me on the structure?
@jacktothed10 I believe Whangarei Boys High is the only Northland school in the North Harbour comp, and while the experience might be good, they are getting some heavy beatings, but I also know there a lot of talented kids that go to WBHS who have chosen to not play for the 1st 15 and just play 2nds, or play for a club, or a couple of cases, not play at all.
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Results from yesterday, 29 July (copied from FB)
Auckland
King's: 50 v Dilworth: 0
Sacred Heart: 18 v St. Peter's: 14
MAGS: 15 v Kelston: 0
Auckland GS: 17 v St. Kent's: 28
Tamaki: 5 v Liston: 24
Aorere: 17 v De La Salle: 5North Harbour
#1 - Takapuna GS (15) v Rosmini Coll (18)
#2 - Whangarei BHS (7) v Rangitoto (36)
#3 - Orewa Coll (24) v Birkenhead (10)
#4 - Westlake BHS (17) v Massey HS (7)Super 8
Hamilton BHS: 48 v Gisborne BHS: 3
Palmerston North BHS: 16 v Rotorua BHS: 13
Hastings BHS: 64 v Tauranga BC: 0
Napier BHS: 45 v New Plymouth: 22Central North Island
#1 - FDMC 84 v Rathkeale 7
#2 - St Peter's 77 v Te Aute 5
#3 - Wanganui Collegiate 5 v Wesley First XV 54
#4 - Lindisfarne 0 v Feilding HS 53
#5 - St Paul's 73 v St John's Hastings 3Wellington
#1 - Silverstream (42) v St. Pat's Town (5)
#2 - Tawa College 8 v Scots 44
#3 - Kapiti College 22 v Wai Coll 30
#4 - Well Coll 67 v HVHS 3
#5 - Porirua College 10 v Rongotai 33UC Championship
#1 - Ashburton College 31 v Burnside High School 33
#2 - Roncalli College 3 v Nelson College 48
#3 - Marlborough BC 14 v Christchurch BHS 20
#4 - Christ's College 27 v Shirley Boys' High School 22
#5 - Timaru Boys' High School 34 v Waimea Combined 7
#6 - Lincoln High School 21 v Rangiora High School 17
#7 - St Andrew's College 17 v St Thomas' 12Otago
Otago (2) 17 v Waitaki 14
John McGlashan: 15 v South Otago HS: 0
St. Kevin's: 28 v Dunstan: 13
Taieri: 24 v Kavanagh: 20
King's HS: 52 v Mount Aspiring: 5Next weekend, the big clash in the Super 8:
Hamilton BHS v Hastings BHS in Hamilton. The final, a week later (12 August), will be between the same schools, but next weekend's result will determine where that final will be played! -
Polson Banner where it belongs as NBHS beat PNBHS 12-10
Great to see how much this game matters to the players
https://www.facebook.com/collegesportmedia/videos/709300382591496/
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Super 8
Just read that Hastings Boys have beaten Hamilton Boys in Hamilton today. Final score was close: 20-16.
The Super 8 Final will be played between the same teams next weekend, but should then be played in Hastings, because they've finished top of the table. Hopefully, the unbeaten streak will continue! -
Super 8
Just read that Hastings Boys have beaten Hamilton Boys in Hamilton today. Final score was close: 20-16.
The Super 8 Final will be played between the same teams next weekend, but should then be played in Hastings, because they've finished top of the table. Hopefully, the unbeaten streak will continue!@Stargazer said in 2017 School Rugby:
Super 8
Just read that Hastings Boys have beaten Hamilton Boys in Hamilton today. Final score was close: 20-16.
The Super 8 Final will be played between the same teams next weekend, but should then be played in Hastings, because they've finished top of the table. Hopefully, the unbeaten streak will continue!Nice!
Hmmm, I wonder what time the game is next week? I'll be over home for a few days but will be driving up from Welly and stopping in P-hole Nth on the way. Might have to try get there in time for the game.
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@Stargazer said in 2017 School Rugby:
Super 8
Just read that Hastings Boys have beaten Hamilton Boys in Hamilton today. Final score was close: 20-16.
The Super 8 Final will be played between the same teams next weekend, but should then be played in Hastings, because they've finished top of the table. Hopefully, the unbeaten streak will continue!Nice!
Hmmm, I wonder what time the game is next week? I'll be over home for a few days but will be driving up from Welly and stopping in P-hole Nth on the way. Might have to try get there in time for the game.
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@Nepia Usually kick-off is at 12.00pm, but I think it will be televised so the game might be moved to about 2.30pm.
@Stargazer said in 2017 School Rugby:
@Nepia Usually kick-off is at 12.00pm, but I think it will be televised so the game might be moved to about 2.30pm.
Hopefully it's moved to 2:30pm ... I wont be back by 12.00pm.
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Good game down this way today between St Pats Silverstream and Scots.
Silverstream won all their traditionals this year (first time since J. Leslie and S. Mannix were playing in 1988) so are pretty strong.
Expect this classic Catholic vs Protestant match up again in the Wgtn final in a couple of weeks. The Catholics won it this week 35-22
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Thanks @Number-10.
2017 Hurricanes competition - Schoolboys schedule:
Wed 23/8: challenger match between the Wellington Premiership runner-up (most likely Scots College) and a Hurricanes challenger team (I think that's a school not competing in Well Premiership and Super 8?)
Sat 26/8: semi-final between Wellington Premiership winner (Silverstream) v Super 8 second placed team (that should be Napier?) - to be played in Wellington
Sat 26/8: semi-final between Super 8 first placed team (Hastings) v Wellington Premiership runner-up or the challenger team - to be played in HastingsSat 2/9: Hurricanes Final
NZ Barbarians National 1st XV Championships (Top 4) - Sport & Rugby Institute, Palmerston North
Fri 8/9 semi-finals
Sun 10/9 finals -
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Super 8
Just read that Hastings Boys have beaten Hamilton Boys in Hamilton today. Final score was close: 20-16.
The Super 8 Final will be played between the same teams next weekend, but should then be played in Hastings, because they've finished top of the table. Hopefully, the unbeaten streak will continue!@Stargazer said in 2017 School Rugby:
Super 8
Just read that Hastings Boys have beaten Hamilton Boys in Hamilton today. Final score was close: 20-16.
The Super 8 Final will be played between the same teams next weekend, but should then be played in Hastings, because they've finished top of the table. Hopefully, the unbeaten streak will continue!Word on the street is that the final was drawn 12-12..
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@Stargazer said in 2017 School Rugby:
Super 8
Just read that Hastings Boys have beaten Hamilton Boys in Hamilton today. Final score was close: 20-16.
The Super 8 Final will be played between the same teams next weekend, but should then be played in Hastings, because they've finished top of the table. Hopefully, the unbeaten streak will continue!Word on the street is that the final was drawn 12-12..
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@mimic Yeah, posted that in Hawke's Bay school thread. Crazy tiebreaking rule making Hamilton the Super 8 winner, despite finishing 2nd in round robin and not beating Hastings in the Final.
@Stargazer said in 2017 School Rugby:
@mimic Yeah, posted that in Hawke's Bay school thread. Crazy tiebreaking rule making Hamilton the Super 8 winner, despite finishing 2nd in round robin and not beating Hastings in the Final.
I think the tie-breaking rule is that in the case of a draw, its the team with the most tries. If it's the same then it's the team who scored the first try. If there are no tries, it's the team who scores first. Not sure what happens if it's 0-0.
These rules have been around for as long as I can remember, and applies not only to the Super 8, but the National Top 4. I wonder if it's a rule in all the schoolboy competitions when it comes to playoff footy as none allow extra time.
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@Stargazer said in 2017 School Rugby:
@mimic Yeah, posted that in Hawke's Bay school thread. Crazy tiebreaking rule making Hamilton the Super 8 winner, despite finishing 2nd in round robin and not beating Hastings in the Final.
I think the tie-breaking rule is that in the case of a draw, its the team with the most tries. If it's the same then it's the team who scored the first try. If there are no tries, it's the team who scores first. Not sure what happens if it's 0-0.
These rules have been around for as long as I can remember, and applies not only to the Super 8, but the National Top 4. I wonder if it's a rule in all the schoolboy competitions when it comes to playoff footy as none allow extra time.
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Seems a bit unfair on Hastings but no doubt they will get to meet Hamilton at top 4 time. St Pats Silverstream the only other Hurricanes region side even close to Hastings but even then it would be hard to imagine Hastings not going to the top 4.
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@mimic I remember playing a game that went into extra time (only 2nd xv) but there was a lot of debate as to what the rules were which no-one seemed to know so we went into extra time.
IIRC the rule is not that extra time is not permitted, but that school boys are only permitted to play 70 minutes of rugby in a day.
A 1st XV game will take 70 minutes, so no extra time.
My school had an Under 65 semi-final that had 5 minutes each way, because they only play 30 minute halves. Perhaps the 2nd XV game you saw fell in that category.
(I've also seen refs who didn't know the rules play extra time.)
A Hamilton final, Div 2 IIRC, did finish nil all a couple of years back. I believe the winner (Melville?) was decided on the basis of the winner of the round-robin game.
