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@booboo were you not immunised?
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@mariner4life said in Woo:
So youtube demonetising videos is okay as long as we agree with the message?
It's better than de-platforming them, and when actual harm can be demonstrated (you know, dead kids) this seems an appropriate response.
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@taniwharugby said in Woo:
@booboo were you not immunised?
Repeatedly dosing myself is part of my immunisation process ...
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@mariner4life said in Woo:
So youtube demonetising videos is okay as long as we agree with the message?
It's better than de-platforming them, and when actual harm can be demonstrated (you know, dead kids) this seems an appropriate response.
I'm against this. I'm no fan of anti-vax but this just paves the way (well it's mostly paved already) for removing all monetisation of anything that goes against a multinational corporations view of the world even if the views are 100% backed up with evidence.
For example on facebook you can be banned for saying 'Females don't have a penis'. How long before youtube demonetises and finally shuts down human biology channels for their blatant 'hate facts'.
...anyway it all should accelerate Youtube's demise
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@Rembrandt said in Woo:
@mariner4life said in Woo:
So youtube demonetising videos is okay as long as we agree with the message?
It's better than de-platforming them, and when actual harm can be demonstrated (you know, dead kids) this seems an appropriate response.
I'm against this. I'm no fan of anti-vax but this just paves the way (well it's mostly paved already) for removing all monetisation of anything that goes against a multinational corporations view of the world even if the views are 100% backed up with evidence.
For example on facebook you can be banned for saying 'Females don't have a penis'. How long before youtube demonetises and finally shuts down human biology channels for their blatant 'hate facts'.
...anyway it all should accelerate Youtube's demise
I would agree with you about the culture war idiocy but this isn’t done at the behest of multinationals it’s done because spreading the idea that vaccines are harmful is incredibly dangerous. Some diseases are starting to make a comeback as is measles because of these people.
They are still free to rant on YouTube , I don’t see why they should be able to make money out of spreading dangerous lies. -
@Rembrandt said in Woo:
@mariner4life said in Woo:
So youtube demonetising videos is okay as long as we agree with the message?
It's better than de-platforming them, and when actual harm can be demonstrated (you know, dead kids) this seems an appropriate response.
I'm against this. I'm no fan of anti-vax but this just paves the way (well it's mostly paved already) for removing all monetisation of anything that goes against a multinational corporations view of the world even if the views are 100% backed up with evidence.
For example on facebook you can be banned for saying 'Females don't have a penis'. How long before youtube demonetises and finally shuts down human biology channels for their blatant 'hate facts'.
...anyway it all should accelerate Youtube's demise
I clearly made the distinction for showing real harm. Same standard for free speech where you can't falsely shout fire in a crowded theatre.
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@Kirwan @jegga Same argument can be applied to climate change critics causing the end of the world, Jordan Peterson fans causing trannies to kill themselves and Nigel Farage fans causing Britain to become a 3rd world dystopian nightmare within days from Brexit's implementation. Many of these people pushing this idiocy are recognised 'experts' , with their own studies, supporting Guardian articles, just completely ideologically possessed and blind to their own bias.
I'm just being consistent. Youtube won't be of course, they've already ventured into content moderation that there really is no way out for them, they are well enroute to become a souless corporate entity and creators will move off to alternative platforms who will also start to try ways of monetising videos. Whatever youtube does will be ineffectual to stopping the anti-vaxx movement, some people are going to believe no matter what while others might be persuaded with counter arguments. I'd see the demonetisation as the start towards de-platforming.
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@Rembrandt said in Woo:
@Kirwan @jegga Same argument can be applied to climate change critics causing the end of the world, Jordan Peterson fans causing trannies to kill themselves and Nigel Farage fans causing Britain to become a 3rd world dystopian nightmare within days from Brexit's implementation. Many of these people pushing this idiocy are recognised 'experts' , with their own studies, supporting Guardian articles, just completely ideologically possessed and blind to their own bias.
I'm just being consistent. Youtube won't be of course, they've already ventured into content moderation that there really is no way out for them, they are well enroute to become a souless corporate entity and creators will move off to alternative platforms who will also start to try ways of monetising videos. Whatever youtube does will be ineffectual to stopping the anti-vaxx movement, some people are going to believe no matter what while others might be persuaded with counter arguments. I'd see the demonetisation as the start towards de-platforming.
Different things entirely, anti vaxx is more like the pro anorexia videos YouTube takes down . The science is settled and it’s clear that vaccines save lives .
I wouldn’t care if they were deplatformed, their idiocy has already cost lives .I get that you’re passionate about free speech I am too but this is more like @kirwins point about yelling fire in a crowded theatre and nothing like the global warming debate.
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@jegga Science is settled on climate change and the necessity for the Paris accord. Events of late evidence that the google/youtube leadership are for the most part followers of progressive orthodoxy so they believe that Peterson's existence is fueling the rise in the alt-right and hate crimes in the US.
I don't agree with it at all and it massively sucks it is this way but appeals to higher authority are sadly very flawed currently.
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@Rembrandt said in Woo:
@jegga Science is settled on climate change and the necessity for the Paris accord. Events of late evidence that the google/youtube leadership are for the most part followers of progressive orthodoxy so they believe that Peterson's existence is fueling the rise in the alt-right and hate crimes in the US.
Not the same thing. Not even close.
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@Rembrandt said in Woo:
@Kirwan I agree. Others in positions of power may not.
Not everything is a conspiracy.
This .
The recent measles outbreaks in Minnesota were linked to scum deliberately spreading the lie that vaccines cause autism amongst the Somalian community which lead to them not immunising .
It isn’t a free speech issue it’s a public health issue.
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@Rembrandt said in Woo:
@Kirwan I agree. Others in positions of power may not.
Not everything is a conspiracy.
This .
The recent measles outbreaks in Minnesota were linked to scum deliberately spreading the lie that vaccines cause autism amongst the Somalian community which lead to them not immunising .
It isn’t a free speech issue it’s a public health issue.
The stoic rationalist in me that tends towards nihilism thinks "yeah, why not? Thin the herd".
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@antipodean said in Woo:
@Rembrandt said in Woo:
@Kirwan I agree. Others in positions of power may not.
Not everything is a conspiracy.
This .
The recent measles outbreaks in Minnesota were linked to scum deliberately spreading the lie that vaccines cause autism amongst the Somalian community which lead to them not immunising .
It isn’t a free speech issue it’s a public health issue.
The stoic rationalist in me that tends towards nihilism thinks "yeah, why not? Thin the herd".
If you could bioengineer a disease to target specific groups of people like for example men with man buns or people who film in portrait mode you wouldn’t get any objections out of me .
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I bet his parents “ did their own research”.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12207269
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@antipodean said in Woo:
@Rembrandt said in Woo:
@Kirwan I agree. Others in positions of power may not.
Not everything is a conspiracy.
This .
The recent measles outbreaks in Minnesota were linked to scum deliberately spreading the lie that vaccines cause autism amongst the Somalian community which lead to them not immunising .
It isn’t a free speech issue it’s a public health issue.
The stoic rationalist in me that tends towards nihilism thinks "yeah, why not? Thin the herd".
The problem being the very small percentages of poor buggers who can't have the vaccine for various reasons, and rely on herd immunity,which they don't get because *fluffybunnies
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@Machpants said in Woo:
@antipodean said in Woo:
@Rembrandt said in Woo:
@Kirwan I agree. Others in positions of power may not.
Not everything is a conspiracy.
This .
The recent measles outbreaks in Minnesota were linked to scum deliberately spreading the lie that vaccines cause autism amongst the Somalian community which lead to them not immunising .
It isn’t a free speech issue it’s a public health issue.
The stoic rationalist in me that tends towards nihilism thinks "yeah, why not? Thin the herd".
The problem being the very small percentages of poor buggers who can't have the vaccine for various reasons, and rely on herd immunity,which they don't get because *fluffybunnies
Meh, eggs, omelette. Perhaps those people, much like our anti-peanut enthusiasts, aren't supposed to be around?
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@antipodean said in Woo:
@Machpants said in Woo:
@antipodean said in Woo:
@Rembrandt said in Woo:
@Kirwan I agree. Others in positions of power may not.
Not everything is a conspiracy.
This .
The recent measles outbreaks in Minnesota were linked to scum deliberately spreading the lie that vaccines cause autism amongst the Somalian community which lead to them not immunising .
It isn’t a free speech issue it’s a public health issue.
The stoic rationalist in me that tends towards nihilism thinks "yeah, why not? Thin the herd".
The problem being the very small percentages of poor buggers who can't have the vaccine for various reasons, and rely on herd immunity,which they don't get because *fluffybunnies
Meh, eggs, omelette. Perhaps those people, much like our anti-peanut enthusiasts, aren't supposed to be around?
There’s a huge difference between people who are genuinely trying to make the best of a bad hand in life, compared with dumb-arse conspiracy theorist antivaxxers/Darwin award contenders...
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@Donsteppa said in Woo:
@antipodean said in Woo:
@Machpants said in Woo:
@antipodean said in Woo:
@Rembrandt said in Woo:
@Kirwan I agree. Others in positions of power may not.
Not everything is a conspiracy.
This .
The recent measles outbreaks in Minnesota were linked to scum deliberately spreading the lie that vaccines cause autism amongst the Somalian community which lead to them not immunising .
It isn’t a free speech issue it’s a public health issue.
The stoic rationalist in me that tends towards nihilism thinks "yeah, why not? Thin the herd".
The problem being the very small percentages of poor buggers who can't have the vaccine for various reasons, and rely on herd immunity,which they don't get because *fluffybunnies
Meh, eggs, omelette. Perhaps those people, much like our anti-peanut enthusiasts, aren't supposed to be around?
There’s a huge difference between people who are genuinely trying to make the best of a bad hand in life, compared with dumb-arse conspiracy theorist antivaxxers/Darwin award contenders...
Did I suggest otherwise? I certainly didn't mean to give that impression. Merely that there is an argument to be made for letting things take care of themselves on the macro scale.
