Woo
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@Catogrande said in Woo:
@booboo I've known enough people that I respect that have had acupuncture and feel it works. I've also known people for whom it did nothing. Maybe @canefan is right - it depends on who is administering it.
Time for you to look into iridology I think
My wife is a physio and has trained in acupuncture. She and her NHS colleagues say it works for a certain type of person. The medical evidence says its no better then placebo. I will take a peer reviewed Cochrane collaboration over all the anecdotal evidence that can be provided, thanks very much.
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@Catogrande said in Woo:
@booboo I've known enough people that I respect that have had acupuncture and feel it works. I've also known people for whom it did nothing. Maybe @canefan is right - it depends on who is administering it.
Time for you to look into iridology I think
My wife is a physio and has trained in acupuncture. She and her NHS colleagues say it works for a certain type of person. The medical evidence says its no better then placebo. I will take a peer reviewed Cochrane collaboration over all the anecdotal evidence that can be provided, thanks very much.
Well you brave enough to say that here what about to Mrs Mooshld?
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Another form of quackery not covered yet is Chromotherapy (or colour therapy). Has no basis in science whatsoever.
Only reason I have heard of it though is that years ago father in law had it recommended as a solution to a persistent excema problem with the sheep on the farm. Being an old school farmer he was extremely sceptical but the problem was at the point of having to cull 100s of ewes so he put these wire web like things around the paddocks that would get brightly coloured wool strands woven through them (yep sounds totally stupid). Thing is, it worked (or at least the excema problem cleared up from that moment).
I guess it could have been lucky timing and subsequent use in other years may have appeared to stop an outbreak taking hold but he continued use for a number of years. Kept rather quiet about it if anyone visited the farm though and asked what the funny wire things were. -
@Catogrande said in Woo:
@Catogrande said in Woo:
@booboo I've known enough people that I respect that have had acupuncture and feel it works. I've also known people for whom it did nothing. Maybe @canefan is right - it depends on who is administering it.
Time for you to look into iridology I think
My wife is a physio and has trained in acupuncture. She and her NHS colleagues say it works for a certain type of person. The medical evidence says its no better then placebo. I will take a peer reviewed Cochrane collaboration over all the anecdotal evidence that can be provided, thanks very much.
Well you brave enough to say that here what about to Mrs Mooshld?
We had some right arguments about it when she finished getting trained in it. Her and all her colleagues had drunk the kool aid. But over 2 years of using it they came around. In the end they used it for chronic patients who gave vague symptoms and never did any of their prescribed exercises. A last chance salon if you will.
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Ok ... accupuncture ...
... Doc, who is reportedly quite old school (as suggested by his practice partner one day when I had to see him instead) is right into accupuncture.
Has got me to be stuck with needles for a couple of weeks (disc, back, nerve issue).
Frankly .... it's doing absolutely nothing. Just as expected.
Am quite astonished though that a modern trained medical doctor is into accupuncture.
Physios do it a lot, seems to work for them. Maybe your guy is doing it wrong?
Plenty of rugby physios use it.
I've had one course of it at a time when I used to get chronic hayfever and the drugs were just making me drowsy all the time. Was suggested by a GP as they had seen success in the past.
Therapy involved a lot of needles around the sinus area and a few in the arms and it actually did have an effect.
I'm loath to dismiss it entirely as targeting nerves and the effects on the brain are not fully understood by 'modern medicine' anyway. Neurologists are still researching and finding out all sorts of stuff so it isn't as if the method is disproven, it is just unproven.Thing is with a lot of this stuff is that it doesn't always work and doesn't work on all people, which is the threshold for 'proof'. Sometimes there is no harm in trying and if it works for you, then great.If it doesn't then certainly don't keep persisting or trying to sell it to others or think it is the first and only port of call.
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@Catogrande said in Woo:
@booboo I've known enough people that I respect that have had acupuncture and feel it works. I've also known people for whom it did nothing. Maybe @canefan is right - it depends on who is administering it.
Time for you to look into iridology I think
Iridology? Yeah, nah.
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@Catogrande said in Woo:
@booboo I've known enough people that I respect that have had acupuncture and feel it works. I've also known people for whom it did nothing. Maybe @canefan is right - it depends on who is administering it.
Time for you to look into iridology I think
"Look" into iridology?
Intentional?
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Ok ... accupuncture ...
... Doc, who is reportedly quite old school (as suggested by his practice partner one day when I had to see him instead) is right into accupuncture.
Has got me to be stuck with needles for a couple of weeks (disc, back, nerve issue).
Frankly .... it's doing absolutely nothing. Just as expected.
Am quite astonished though that a modern trained medical doctor is into accupuncture.
Physios do it a lot, seems to work for them. Maybe your guy is doing it wrong?
Plenty of rugby physios use it.
I've had one course of it at a time when I used to get chronic hayfever and the drugs were just making me drowsy all the time. Was suggested by a GP as they had seen success in the past.
Therapy involved a lot of needles around the sinus area and a few in the arms and it actually did have an effect.
I'm loath to dismiss it entirely as targeting nerves and the effects on the brain are not fully understood by 'modern medicine' anyway. Neurologists are still researching and finding out all sorts of stuff so it isn't as if the method is disproven, it is just unproven.Thing is with a lot of this stuff is that it doesn't always work and doesn't work on all people, which is the threshold for 'proof'. Sometimes there is no harm in trying and if it works for you, then great.If it doesn't then certainly don't keep persisting or trying to sell it to others or think it is the first and only port of call.
That's close to where I'm sitting. If it does no harm ...
But, if after how many thousands of years you can't
a. prove if it works
b. have no idea how it might work
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Ok ... accupuncture ...
... Doc, who is reportedly quite old school (as suggested by his practice partner one day when I had to see him instead) is right into accupuncture.
Has got me to be stuck with needles for a couple of weeks (disc, back, nerve issue).
Frankly .... it's doing absolutely nothing. Just as expected.
Am quite astonished though that a modern trained medical doctor is into accupuncture.
Physios do it a lot, seems to work for them. Maybe your guy is doing it wrong?
Plenty of rugby physios use it.
I've had one course of it at a time when I used to get chronic hayfever and the drugs were just making me drowsy all the time. Was suggested by a GP as they had seen success in the past.
Therapy involved a lot of needles around the sinus area and a few in the arms and it actually did have an effect.
I'm loath to dismiss it entirely as targeting nerves and the effects on the brain are not fully understood by 'modern medicine' anyway. Neurologists are still researching and finding out all sorts of stuff so it isn't as if the method is disproven, it is just unproven.Thing is with a lot of this stuff is that it doesn't always work and doesn't work on all people, which is the threshold for 'proof'. Sometimes there is no harm in trying and if it works for you, then great.If it doesn't then certainly don't keep persisting or trying to sell it to others or think it is the first and only port of call.
That's close to where I'm sitting. If it does no harm ...
But, if after how many thousands of years you can't
a. prove if it works
b. have no idea how it might work
then count me as pretty skeptical.As long as it is a part of a course of treatment, as opposed to the entire treatment
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I get accupuncture once a month for a bad back and chronic calf problems from many years of long distance running.
I'm pretty sceptical about it generally. I don't think it's doing anything to help the healing process. I feel pretty good directly afterwards but the pain quickly returns over the next day or so.
But go along cos I enjoy the relaxing nature of it, I find it very pleasant
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I sent my son to a hypnotherapist....I am skeptical, but the reaction and change in my son following it was real.
I had been having issues with my neck and went to see someone recently, which was a more alternative treatment, was great, felt awesome after, but couple of days, was back to where I was before I went in, so went to my chiropractor and sorted now.
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@taniwharugby said in Woo:
I sent my son to a hypnotherapist....I am skeptical, but the reaction and change in my son following it was real.
I had been having issues with my neck and went to see someone recently, which was a more alternative treatment, was great, felt awesome after, but couple of days, was back to where I was before I went in, so went to my chiropractor and sorted now.
We use hypno in some areas of our work (not me, some qualified!!), mainly for muscle/joint pain caused by repetitive behaviour. When it works it can work great, but the subject has to be receptive. Generally if the person says it isn't going to work, it isn't going to work
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After trying pretty much everything else I went to an acupuncturist (a Chinese British consultant immunologist in Harley St) for back pain. Unfortunately it didn't help. But the thing is she had asked about other issues during the consultation and said that as I had hay fever they'd have to treat that at the same time. The hay fever I'd has since I was a kid cleared up and so far has stayed away.
It's still bullshit though.
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@antipodean said in Woo:
@canefan dry needling works to activate and release muscles.
That lines up with my experience also. With it being used to stimulate blood flow and tissue etc. Often pretty deep in the muscle where massage isn't as effective.
No personal experience around use of needles to assist with addiction or other health conditions. Always a bit dubious when one type of treatment can apparently treat nearly any condition known to humankind!!
But I could easily be in the placebo camp I guess
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@Paekakboyz said in Woo:
lways a bit dubious when one type of treatment can apparently treat nearly any condition known to humankind!!
True. The miracle cure, as if it's marijuana!
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@taniwharugby said in Woo:
I sent my son to a hypnotherapist....I am skeptical, but the reaction and change in my son following it was real.
I had been having issues with my neck and went to see someone recently, which was a more alternative treatment, was great, felt awesome after, but couple of days, was back to where I was before I went in, so went to my chiropractor and sorted now.
Weeelll ... chiropractic and osteopathy ...
... a degree of woo in those two as well.
Probably good for lower back pain though
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@Crucial Facial eczema?
That's caused by fungal spores that the sheep ingest and then damages their livers. Basically like swallowing poison, so I'd be pretty sceptical about the coloured wool unless it's somehow magically repairing damaged livers.
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@antipodean said in Woo:
@canefan dry needling works to activate and release muscles.
Fuck yeah. Had it done a couple of times to my trapezius and felt like I was getting massage x 100.
As for chiro - I've been seeing someone who is a chiropractor/kinesiologist and while some of it is quackery, most of the nerve/muscle release work she does is very effective on the rugby injuries I pick up that won't go away.
Plus she's hot. So totally hot.
Iridology - Wikipedia
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