Americas Cup
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how cool would it be to be on the chase boat right behind the teams motoring along at up to 50-70km
@wairau said in Americas Cup:
how cool would it be to be on the chase boat right behind the teams motoring along at up to 50-70km
I did a cruise on the Hauraki Gulf a couple of weekends back (the day before the latest lockdown actually). We got to a maximum speed of about 25 kn and were flying along. The AC75s are doing about twice that speed.
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abandoned? just watching and LR did 30knts through the start line on the way back to base, must be bad at the other end
@kiwiwomble It wasn't a lack of wind it was the wind direction. It brought North Head into play as a disturbing factor and meant the wind was coming from two different directions.
Would have turned the race into a lottery. Which LR would probably have gone for. It is now clear that TNZ have a slightly faster boat. Fickle winds evens it up a bit. Spithill was trying to blame mind games with the race committee.
As for localk knowledge - how many hours has Spithill spent on the Gulf? He got it wrong but it wasn't because of lack of knowledge. It was a fucking brain fart
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@kiwiwomble It wasn't a lack of wind it was the wind direction. It brought North Head into play as a disturbing factor and meant the wind was coming from two different directions.
Would have turned the race into a lottery. Which LR would probably have gone for. It is now clear that TNZ have a slightly faster boat. Fickle winds evens it up a bit. Spithill was trying to blame mind games with the race committee.
As for localk knowledge - how many hours has Spithill spent on the Gulf? He got it wrong but it wasn't because of lack of knowledge. It was a fucking brain fart
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In the press conference Bruni said he was in charge of the boat at that time but they did discuss the decision to go left amongst the three of them.
@bovidae said in Americas Cup:
In the press conference Bruni said he was in charge of the boat at that time but they did discuss the decision to go left amongst the three of them.
Yup, it's on the whole afterguard. The shift must be really fickle to fool professional sailors over and over
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@kiwiwomble It wasn't a lack of wind it was the wind direction. It brought North Head into play as a disturbing factor and meant the wind was coming from two different directions.
Would have turned the race into a lottery. Which LR would probably have gone for. It is now clear that TNZ have a slightly faster boat. Fickle winds evens it up a bit. Spithill was trying to blame mind games with the race committee.
As for localk knowledge - how many hours has Spithill spent on the Gulf? He got it wrong but it wasn't because of lack of knowledge. It was a fucking brain fart
@dogmeat said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble It wasn't a lack of wind it was the wind direction. It brought North Head into play as a disturbing factor and meant the wind was coming from two different directions.
Would have turned the race into a lottery. Which LR would probably have gone for. It is now clear that TNZ have a slightly faster boat. Fickle winds evens it up a bit. Spithill was trying to blame mind games with the race committee.
have to say, as a fan but not a sailor...thats just sounds like a good race. both teams still have to handle the same conditions
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@bovidae said in Americas Cup:
https://twitter.com/americascup/status/1371938366976102403?s=20
One for the ginga?
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@bovidae said in Americas Cup:
https://twitter.com/americascup/status/1371938366976102403?s=20
One for the ginga?
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Digression - Every day the Herald has an article - what the world is saying about the America's Cup. Does everyone else think they should stump up for an Italian speaker to tell them what is written in the Italian newspapers instead of obviously just mangling it with Google Translate?
Embarrassing. Especially as usually the Italian media are complaining about the arrogance and bias of the Herald!
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Digression - Every day the Herald has an article - what the world is saying about the America's Cup. Does everyone else think they should stump up for an Italian speaker to tell them what is written in the Italian newspapers instead of obviously just mangling it with Google Translate?
Embarrassing. Especially as usually the Italian media are complaining about the arrogance and bias of the Herald!
@dogmeat said in Americas Cup:
Digression - Every day the Herald has an article - what the world is saying about the America's Cup. Does everyone else think they should stump up for an Italian speaker to tell them what is written in the Italian newspapers instead of obviously just mangling it with Google Translate?
Embarrassing. Especially as usually the Italian media are complaining about the arrogance and bias of the Herald!
Confusing bias for incompetence
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@dogmeat said in Americas Cup:
Digression - Every day the Herald has an article - what the world is saying about the America's Cup. Does everyone else think they should stump up for an Italian speaker to tell them what is written in the Italian newspapers instead of obviously just mangling it with Google Translate?
Embarrassing. Especially as usually the Italian media are complaining about the arrogance and bias of the Herald!
Confusing bias for incompetence
@canefan said in Americas Cup:
@dogmeat said in Americas Cup:
Digression - Every day the Herald has an article - what the world is saying about the America's Cup. Does everyone else think they should stump up for an Italian speaker to tell them what is written in the Italian newspapers instead of obviously just mangling it with Google Translate?
Embarrassing. Especially as usually the Italian media are complaining about the arrogance and bias of the Herald!
Confusing bias for incompetence
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@dogmeat said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble It wasn't a lack of wind it was the wind direction. It brought North Head into play as a disturbing factor and meant the wind was coming from two different directions.
Would have turned the race into a lottery. Which LR would probably have gone for. It is now clear that TNZ have a slightly faster boat. Fickle winds evens it up a bit. Spithill was trying to blame mind games with the race committee.
have to say, as a fan but not a sailor...thats just sounds like a good race. both teams still have to handle the same conditions
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@dogmeat said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble It wasn't a lack of wind it was the wind direction. It brought North Head into play as a disturbing factor and meant the wind was coming from two different directions.
Would have turned the race into a lottery. Which LR would probably have gone for. It is now clear that TNZ have a slightly faster boat. Fickle winds evens it up a bit. Spithill was trying to blame mind games with the race committee.
have to say, as a fan but not a sailor...thats just sounds like a good race. both teams still have to handle the same conditions
Not really, the conditions can vary over the course too much, which is the problem. It can become pure luck. Yes sailors need to read shifts, but it can be very unfair if things change too much and you just happen to be in a bad spot. Also massively different if you are leading than trailing and how much by (match racing, not fleet).
The idea is to have the best sailors / boat decide the winner, not the weather.
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@dogmeat said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble It wasn't a lack of wind it was the wind direction. It brought North Head into play as a disturbing factor and meant the wind was coming from two different directions.
Would have turned the race into a lottery. Which LR would probably have gone for. It is now clear that TNZ have a slightly faster boat. Fickle winds evens it up a bit. Spithill was trying to blame mind games with the race committee.
have to say, as a fan but not a sailor...thats just sounds like a good race. both teams still have to handle the same conditions
Not really, the conditions can vary over the course too much, which is the problem. It can become pure luck. Yes sailors need to read shifts, but it can be very unfair if things change too much and you just happen to be in a bad spot. Also massively different if you are leading than trailing and how much by (match racing, not fleet).
The idea is to have the best sailors / boat decide the winner, not the weather.
@snowy once again, as a spectator...thats sounds really interesting to watch, interesting weather forcing mistakes and the sailors having to handle different things, going up and down at full speed with one leg indistinguishable from another is the boring stuff people have been talking about
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@snowy once again, as a spectator...thats sounds really interesting to watch, interesting weather forcing mistakes and the sailors having to handle different things, going up and down at full speed with one leg indistinguishable from another is the boring stuff people have been talking about
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy once again, as a spectator...thats sounds really interesting to watch, interesting weather forcing mistakes and the sailors having to handle different things, going up and down at full speed with one leg indistinguishable from another is the boring stuff people have been talking about
Do you enjoy dice games?
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy once again, as a spectator...thats sounds really interesting to watch, interesting weather forcing mistakes and the sailors having to handle different things, going up and down at full speed with one leg indistinguishable from another is the boring stuff people have been talking about
Do you enjoy dice games?
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy once again, as a spectator...thats sounds really interesting to watch, interesting weather forcing mistakes and the sailors having to handle different things, going up and down at full speed with one leg indistinguishable from another is the boring stuff people have been talking about
Do you enjoy dice games?
yes, famously people become addicted to games of chance
surely its not quite a straight gamble, as you say they do have some ability to look for winds shifts but also the two boats are famously close in performance and have tended to be at the same end of the course at similar times so so dealing with similar conditions
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Digression - Every day the Herald has an article - what the world is saying about the America's Cup. Does everyone else think they should stump up for an Italian speaker to tell them what is written in the Italian newspapers instead of obviously just mangling it with Google Translate?
Embarrassing. Especially as usually the Italian media are complaining about the arrogance and bias of the Herald!
@dogmeat said in Americas Cup:
Digression - Every day the Herald has an article - what the world is saying about the America's Cup. Does everyone else think they should stump up for an Italian speaker to tell them what is written in the Italian newspapers instead of obviously just mangling it with Google Translate?
Embarrassing. Especially as usually the Italian media are complaining about the arrogance and bias of the Herald!
A real Italian speaker would require a "premium" subscription to the Herald....oh wait.
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy once again, as a spectator...thats sounds really interesting to watch, interesting weather forcing mistakes and the sailors having to handle different things, going up and down at full speed with one leg indistinguishable from another is the boring stuff people have been talking about
Do you enjoy dice games?
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy once again, as a spectator...thats sounds really interesting to watch, interesting weather forcing mistakes and the sailors having to handle different things, going up and down at full speed with one leg indistinguishable from another is the boring stuff people have been talking about
Do you enjoy dice games?
RACIST!!!!
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@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy once again, as a spectator...thats sounds really interesting to watch, interesting weather forcing mistakes and the sailors having to handle different things, going up and down at full speed with one leg indistinguishable from another is the boring stuff people have been talking about
Do you enjoy dice games?
yes, famously people become addicted to games of chance
surely its not quite a straight gamble, as you say they do have some ability to look for winds shifts but also the two boats are famously close in performance and have tended to be at the same end of the course at similar times so so dealing with similar conditions
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
yes, famously people become addicted to games of chance
There are words for those people. Not usually "highly trained sportspeople".
In sports / contests I prefer the skill and aptitude of the contestants to, well, contest.
Not a fluke - which is a sailing term for irregularity of the wind and also the more common meaning of something happening by chance. -
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
yes, famously people become addicted to games of chance
There are words for those people. Not usually "highly trained sportspeople".
In sports / contests I prefer the skill and aptitude of the contestants to, well, contest.
Not a fluke - which is a sailing term for irregularity of the wind and also the more common meaning of something happening by chance.
