Americas Cup
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i have to say im coming around to the next one being overseas
this one was barely a competition with so few challengers. If we're going to persist with the "F1 of yachting" approach with multi generations of design that will be scrapped directly after, ie super expensive then we need to attract more interest by making it easier to get too
either that or move to an "off the shelf" boat design, bring it back to NZ every second or third round assuming we win
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@gt12 said in Americas Cup:
@tim said in Americas Cup:
Fuck those guys.
Yep.
This:
Dickson said he thought Team New Zealand would be wise to think about their brand reputation if they took the defence offshore."Team New Zealand has built a very strong and valuable brand globally, largely on being New Zealanders. For them to take it somewhere else would go against the grain."
I would actually support another team with Kiwi's in it if they did that.
The other thing was that the investment was supposed to be profitable over 2 events hosting, (assuming they won of course) so TNZ are effectively stealing tax payers and rate payers money. Very uncool.
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i have to say im coming around to the next one being overseas
this one was barely a competition with so few challengers. If we're going to persist with the "F1 of yachting" approach with multi generations of design that will be scrapped directly after, ie super expensive then we need to attract more interest by making it easier to get too
either that or move to an "off the shelf" boat design, bring it back to NZ every second or third round assuming we win
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@kiwiwomble Don't be a cuck.
@tim fair enough, i should add, very happy for it to stay in NZ if they can come up with a way to get more teams down here
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@gt12 said in Americas Cup:
@tim said in Americas Cup:
Fuck those guys.
The other thing was that the investment was supposed to be profitable over 2 events hosting, (assuming they won of course) so TNZ are effectively stealing tax payers and rate payers money. Very uncool.
I hadn't heard that last bit, that does change things quite a bit
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@tim fair enough, i should add, very happy for it to stay in NZ if they can come up with a way to get more teams down here
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@gt12 said in Americas Cup:
@tim said in Americas Cup:
Fuck those guys.
The other thing was that the investment was supposed to be profitable over 2 events hosting, (assuming they won of course) so TNZ are effectively stealing tax payers and rate payers money. Very uncool.
I hadn't heard that last bit, that does change things quite a bit
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@tim fair enough, i should add, very happy for it to stay in NZ if they can come up with a way to get more teams down here
I think that they would now. The proof of concept has been done and they want to stick with it in basic design. Didn't Bertarelli want to buy our first boat?
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@tim fair enough, i should add, very happy for it to stay in NZ if they can come up with a way to get more teams down here
I think that they would now. The proof of concept has been done and they want to stick with it in basic design. Didn't Bertarelli want to buy our first boat?
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@tim fair enough, i should add, very happy for it to stay in NZ if they can come up with a way to get more teams down here
I think that they would now. The proof of concept has been done and they want to stick with it in basic design. Didn't Bertarelli want to buy our first boat?
Yup. Not going to be able to do it Ernesto
Not for any money
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@tim fair enough, i should add, very happy for it to stay in NZ if they can come up with a way to get more teams down here
I think that they would now. The proof of concept has been done and they want to stick with it in basic design. Didn't Bertarelli want to buy our first boat?
@snowy maybe, i wonder how much they can change the boats without pretty much paying for a new one, it was pretty clear the tw boats in the final were daylight ahead of the the others and there was a bit between them too...so what chance does anyone buying one of the old ones have?
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@snowy maybe, i wonder how much they can change the boats without pretty much paying for a new one, it was pretty clear the tw boats in the final were daylight ahead of the the others and there was a bit between them too...so what chance does anyone buying one of the old ones have?
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy maybe, i wonder how much they can change the boats without pretty much paying for a new one, it was pretty clear the tw boats in the final were daylight ahead of the the others and there was a bit between them too...so what chance does anyone buying one of the old ones have?
Gets them closer to the cutting edge than starting from scratch
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy maybe, i wonder how much they can change the boats without pretty much paying for a new one, it was pretty clear the tw boats in the final were daylight ahead of the the others and there was a bit between them too...so what chance does anyone buying one of the old ones have?
Gets them closer to the cutting edge than starting from scratch
@canefan thats kind of my point...if we've made it so hard no one would bother starting from scratch...we're limiting those that will bother
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@canefan thats kind of my point...if we've made it so hard no one would bother starting from scratch...we're limiting those that will bother
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan thats kind of my point...if we've made it so hard no one would bother starting from scratch...we're limiting those that will bother
San Fran was way worse, which is why things got scaled back. We didn't do that Ellison did.
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@tim fair enough, i should add, very happy for it to stay in NZ if they can come up with a way to get more teams down here
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@gt12 said in Americas Cup:
@tim said in Americas Cup:
Fuck those guys.
The other thing was that the investment was supposed to be profitable over 2 events hosting, (assuming they won of course) so TNZ are effectively stealing tax payers and rate payers money. Very uncool.
I hadn't heard that last bit, that does change things quite a bit
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@tim fair enough, i should add, very happy for it to stay in NZ if they can come up with a way to get more teams down here
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@gt12 said in Americas Cup:
@tim said in Americas Cup:
Fuck those guys.
The other thing was that the investment was supposed to be profitable over 2 events hosting, (assuming they won of course) so TNZ are effectively stealing tax payers and rate payers money. Very uncool.
I hadn't heard that last bit, that does change things quite a bit
It's even in the article Tim posted. Did you read it? Classic ferning if not.
After the Government and Auckland Council announced a $136m package to defend the America's Cup in 2018, both sides privately acknowledged that to get true value for money, Auckland needed to host at least two defences.
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan thats kind of my point...if we've made it so hard no one would bother starting from scratch...we're limiting those that will bother
San Fran was way worse, which is why things got scaled back. We didn't do that Ellison did.
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan thats kind of my point...if we've made it so hard no one would bother starting from scratch...we're limiting those that will bother
San Fran was way worse, which is why things got scaled back. We didn't do that Ellison did.
true, but ellison did his in san fran so he could attract all those american sponsors etc, thats what im saying radical/expensive design in an easy location or easy/cheap desing in NZ...but both might be a stretch, hense only three challengers
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@tim fair enough, i should add, very happy for it to stay in NZ if they can come up with a way to get more teams down here
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@gt12 said in Americas Cup:
@tim said in Americas Cup:
Fuck those guys.
The other thing was that the investment was supposed to be profitable over 2 events hosting, (assuming they won of course) so TNZ are effectively stealing tax payers and rate payers money. Very uncool.
I hadn't heard that last bit, that does change things quite a bit
It's even in the article Tim posted. Did you read it? Classic ferning if not.
After the Government and Auckland Council announced a $136m package to defend the America's Cup in 2018, both sides privately acknowledged that to get true value for money, Auckland needed to host at least two defences.
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@tim fair enough, i should add, very happy for it to stay in NZ if they can come up with a way to get more teams down here
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@gt12 said in Americas Cup:
@tim said in Americas Cup:
Fuck those guys.
The other thing was that the investment was supposed to be profitable over 2 events hosting, (assuming they won of course) so TNZ are effectively stealing tax payers and rate payers money. Very uncool.
I hadn't heard that last bit, that does change things quite a bit
It's even in the article Tim posted. Did you read it? Classic ferning if not.
After the Government and Auckland Council announced a $136m package to defend the America's Cup in 2018, both sides privately acknowledged that to get true value for money, Auckland needed to host at least two defences.
of course i didn't! and as i say, that does change things quite a bit, NZ definitely shouldn't be out of pocket
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@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan thats kind of my point...if we've made it so hard no one would bother starting from scratch...we're limiting those that will bother
San Fran was way worse, which is why things got scaled back. We didn't do that Ellison did.
true, but ellison did his in san fran so he could attract all those american sponsors etc, thats what im saying radical/expensive design in an easy location or easy/cheap desing in NZ...but both might be a stretch, hense only three challengers
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan thats kind of my point...if we've made it so hard no one would bother starting from scratch...we're limiting those that will bother
San Fran was way worse, which is why things got scaled back. We didn't do that Ellison did.
true, but ellison did his in san fran so he could attract all those american sponsors etc, thats what im saying radical/expensive design in an easy location or easy/cheap desing in NZ...but both might be a stretch, hense only three challengers
Well he just paid for it really for his own team anyway. There weren't many American sponsors that I recall (could be wrong). There were only 3 challengers in San Fran as well, unless I have forgotten someone. TNZ, Artemis, Luna Rossa.
We also reduced costs with lots of "standard" components and now that the boats are proven I would expect some others to join the party.
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan thats kind of my point...if we've made it so hard no one would bother starting from scratch...we're limiting those that will bother
San Fran was way worse, which is why things got scaled back. We didn't do that Ellison did.
true, but ellison did his in san fran so he could attract all those american sponsors etc, thats what im saying radical/expensive design in an easy location or easy/cheap desing in NZ...but both might be a stretch, hense only three challengers
Well he just paid for it really for his own team anyway. There weren't many American sponsors that I recall (could be wrong). There were only 3 challengers in San Fran as well, unless I have forgotten someone. TNZ, Artemis, Luna Rossa.
We also reduced costs with lots of "standard" components and now that the boats are proven I would expect some others to join the party.
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@snowy true, i hope you're right, i love watching the AM and i would be gutted if it slowly died off
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy true, i hope you're right, i love watching the AM and i would be gutted if it slowly died off
I doubt that will happen. It's the oldest sporting trophy in the world and attracts plenty of attention. I love it too, being a sailor, particularly the tech advances, etc. Foiling is the future so I reckon that they did the right thing with the design. Watching cats just drag race wasn't much fun. It did take a while for these things to get interesting too though.
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy true, i hope you're right, i love watching the AM and i would be gutted if it slowly died off
I doubt that will happen. It's the oldest sporting trophy in the world and attracts plenty of attention. I love it too, being a sailor, particularly the tech advances, etc. Foiling is the future so I reckon that they did the right thing with the design. Watching cats just drag race wasn't much fun. It did take a while for these things to get interesting too though.
