Americas Cup
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@tim fair enough, i should add, very happy for it to stay in NZ if they can come up with a way to get more teams down here
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@gt12 said in Americas Cup:
@tim said in Americas Cup:
Fuck those guys.
The other thing was that the investment was supposed to be profitable over 2 events hosting, (assuming they won of course) so TNZ are effectively stealing tax payers and rate payers money. Very uncool.
I hadn't heard that last bit, that does change things quite a bit
It's even in the article Tim posted. Did you read it? Classic ferning if not.
After the Government and Auckland Council announced a $136m package to defend the America's Cup in 2018, both sides privately acknowledged that to get true value for money, Auckland needed to host at least two defences.
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@tim fair enough, i should add, very happy for it to stay in NZ if they can come up with a way to get more teams down here
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@gt12 said in Americas Cup:
@tim said in Americas Cup:
Fuck those guys.
The other thing was that the investment was supposed to be profitable over 2 events hosting, (assuming they won of course) so TNZ are effectively stealing tax payers and rate payers money. Very uncool.
I hadn't heard that last bit, that does change things quite a bit
It's even in the article Tim posted. Did you read it? Classic ferning if not.
After the Government and Auckland Council announced a $136m package to defend the America's Cup in 2018, both sides privately acknowledged that to get true value for money, Auckland needed to host at least two defences.
of course i didn't! and as i say, that does change things quite a bit, NZ definitely shouldn't be out of pocket
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@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan thats kind of my point...if we've made it so hard no one would bother starting from scratch...we're limiting those that will bother
San Fran was way worse, which is why things got scaled back. We didn't do that Ellison did.
true, but ellison did his in san fran so he could attract all those american sponsors etc, thats what im saying radical/expensive design in an easy location or easy/cheap desing in NZ...but both might be a stretch, hense only three challengers
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan thats kind of my point...if we've made it so hard no one would bother starting from scratch...we're limiting those that will bother
San Fran was way worse, which is why things got scaled back. We didn't do that Ellison did.
true, but ellison did his in san fran so he could attract all those american sponsors etc, thats what im saying radical/expensive design in an easy location or easy/cheap desing in NZ...but both might be a stretch, hense only three challengers
Well he just paid for it really for his own team anyway. There weren't many American sponsors that I recall (could be wrong). There were only 3 challengers in San Fran as well, unless I have forgotten someone. TNZ, Artemis, Luna Rossa.
We also reduced costs with lots of "standard" components and now that the boats are proven I would expect some others to join the party.
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan thats kind of my point...if we've made it so hard no one would bother starting from scratch...we're limiting those that will bother
San Fran was way worse, which is why things got scaled back. We didn't do that Ellison did.
true, but ellison did his in san fran so he could attract all those american sponsors etc, thats what im saying radical/expensive design in an easy location or easy/cheap desing in NZ...but both might be a stretch, hense only three challengers
Well he just paid for it really for his own team anyway. There weren't many American sponsors that I recall (could be wrong). There were only 3 challengers in San Fran as well, unless I have forgotten someone. TNZ, Artemis, Luna Rossa.
We also reduced costs with lots of "standard" components and now that the boats are proven I would expect some others to join the party.
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@snowy true, i hope you're right, i love watching the AM and i would be gutted if it slowly died off
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy true, i hope you're right, i love watching the AM and i would be gutted if it slowly died off
I doubt that will happen. It's the oldest sporting trophy in the world and attracts plenty of attention. I love it too, being a sailor, particularly the tech advances, etc. Foiling is the future so I reckon that they did the right thing with the design. Watching cats just drag race wasn't much fun. It did take a while for these things to get interesting too though.
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy true, i hope you're right, i love watching the AM and i would be gutted if it slowly died off
I doubt that will happen. It's the oldest sporting trophy in the world and attracts plenty of attention. I love it too, being a sailor, particularly the tech advances, etc. Foiling is the future so I reckon that they did the right thing with the design. Watching cats just drag race wasn't much fun. It did take a while for these things to get interesting too though.
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@canefan thats kind of my point...if we've made it so hard no one would bother starting from scratch...we're limiting those that will bother
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan thats kind of my point...if we've made it so hard no one would bother starting from scratch...we're limiting those that will bother
Didn't we standardise some of the componetry? I think now the concept has been proven to work more might become interested
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@snowy maybe im just being paranoid, i just really noticed the last few events and how small the fields were compared to the ones i first start watching, 1987 with 13 challengers and 4 defenders...thats an event
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy maybe im just being paranoid, i just really noticed the last few events and how small the fields were compared to the ones i first start watching, 1987 with 13 challengers and 4 defenders...thats an event
It was good. Yeah the decline started with cost, no doubt, and the billionaire backed teams. There were a lot of shit teams in '87 that had no chance of winning though, so the old quality versing quantity debate, that is being discussed for Super rugby too.
The 12m were only really interesting because even a poor design had a chance if they picked a shift as the boats were so slow. It was also pretty easy to just cover once you got in front, but the old rule is still true - the fastest boat will win the AC.
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan thats kind of my point...if we've made it so hard no one would bother starting from scratch...we're limiting those that will bother
Didn't we standardise some of the componetry? I think now the concept has been proven to work more might become interested
@canefan fingers crossed, might just be the vacuum of anyone sticking their hand up making me think the worst.
I'd be disappointed to ETNZ left the rate/tax payer out of pocket but i dont think it could bring myself to cheer for someone else
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@canefan fingers crossed, might just be the vacuum of anyone sticking their hand up making me think the worst.
I'd be disappointed to ETNZ left the rate/tax payer out of pocket but i dont think it could bring myself to cheer for someone else
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan fingers crossed, might just be the vacuum of anyone sticking their hand up making me think the worst.
I'd be disappointed to ETNZ left the rate/tax payer out of pocket but i dont think it could bring myself to cheer for someone else
You are more tolerant than I am - but I think that you knew that...
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan fingers crossed, might just be the vacuum of anyone sticking their hand up making me think the worst.
I'd be disappointed to ETNZ left the rate/tax payer out of pocket but i dont think it could bring myself to cheer for someone else
You are more tolerant than I am - but I think that you knew that...
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan fingers crossed, might just be the vacuum of anyone sticking their hand up making me think the worst.
I'd be disappointed to ETNZ left the rate/tax payer out of pocket but i dont think it could bring myself to cheer for someone else
You are more tolerant than I am - but I think that you knew that...
could be interesting if the government pulled ay funding and backed another NZ or pseudo NZ team, obviously a long shot but if ETNZ piss off enough people
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@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan fingers crossed, might just be the vacuum of anyone sticking their hand up making me think the worst.
I'd be disappointed to ETNZ left the rate/tax payer out of pocket but i dont think it could bring myself to cheer for someone else
You are more tolerant than I am - but I think that you knew that...
could be interesting if the government pulled ay funding and backed another NZ or pseudo NZ team, obviously a long shot but if ETNZ piss off enough people
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan fingers crossed, might just be the vacuum of anyone sticking their hand up making me think the worst.
I'd be disappointed to ETNZ left the rate/tax payer out of pocket but i dont think it could bring myself to cheer for someone else
You are more tolerant than I am - but I think that you knew that...
could be interesting if the government pulled ay funding and backed another NZ or pseudo NZ team, obviously a long shot but if ETNZ piss off enough people
They are going the right way about it so far.
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@tim definitely wouldn't expect them to get any funding if they do take it overseas, government should take the money theyre offering to host and give to another team, how much was it?
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@tim definitely wouldn't expect them to get any funding if they do take it overseas, government should take the money theyre offering to host and give to another team, how much was it?
I do get sick of the model where they call our bluff and demand more and more each time with idle threats.
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@tim definitely wouldn't expect them to get any funding if they do take it overseas, government should take the money theyre offering to host and give to another team, how much was it?
I do get sick of the model where they call our bluff and demand more and more each time with idle threats.
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Is there an Ocean Racing thread too? couldnt find one, have been following NZ Ocean Racing, disappointed theyre not racing in the current european event but they seem to be still aiming for the 22/23 Ocean Race
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"Emirates Team New Zealand is currently still within the exclusive three-month negotiation period with government and council, so it is premature to comment on commercial negotiations until they have concluded," a spokesman said.
"However, we have only recently received the Government and Council position, which we will now carefully consider over the next two weeks."
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more speculation it's heading to the UK
not sure i like this
Wheatley felt Team New Zealand were finding commercial deals tough to make in the current tight financial environment and, mischievously or not, aired speculation that Swiss billionaire Ernesto Bertarelli, the Alinghi boss who famously ripped the champion Kiwi team of 1995 and 2000 apart, could come to their aid. “Cue the benefactor source of last resort – a bored billionaire – and oh how one of Swiss descendancy might well be licking his lips at a turn-key proposal that just needs the rocket fuel of cash, of which he has plenty, to scoop up and turn into commercial and sporting gold,” Wheatley wrote on Rule69blog. -
more speculation it's heading to the UK
not sure i like this
Wheatley felt Team New Zealand were finding commercial deals tough to make in the current tight financial environment and, mischievously or not, aired speculation that Swiss billionaire Ernesto Bertarelli, the Alinghi boss who famously ripped the champion Kiwi team of 1995 and 2000 apart, could come to their aid. “Cue the benefactor source of last resort – a bored billionaire – and oh how one of Swiss descendancy might well be licking his lips at a turn-key proposal that just needs the rocket fuel of cash, of which he has plenty, to scoop up and turn into commercial and sporting gold,” Wheatley wrote on Rule69blog.@kiwiwomble so they are getting thier rich mates to fill the gap of the 1/4 of a billion the NZ Govt and Auckland Council contribute?
