Americas Cup
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@snowy maybe im just being paranoid, i just really noticed the last few events and how small the fields were compared to the ones i first start watching, 1987 with 13 challengers and 4 defenders...thats an event
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy maybe im just being paranoid, i just really noticed the last few events and how small the fields were compared to the ones i first start watching, 1987 with 13 challengers and 4 defenders...thats an event
It was good. Yeah the decline started with cost, no doubt, and the billionaire backed teams. There were a lot of shit teams in '87 that had no chance of winning though, so the old quality versing quantity debate, that is being discussed for Super rugby too.
The 12m were only really interesting because even a poor design had a chance if they picked a shift as the boats were so slow. It was also pretty easy to just cover once you got in front, but the old rule is still true - the fastest boat will win the AC.
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan thats kind of my point...if we've made it so hard no one would bother starting from scratch...we're limiting those that will bother
Didn't we standardise some of the componetry? I think now the concept has been proven to work more might become interested
@canefan fingers crossed, might just be the vacuum of anyone sticking their hand up making me think the worst.
I'd be disappointed to ETNZ left the rate/tax payer out of pocket but i dont think it could bring myself to cheer for someone else
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@canefan fingers crossed, might just be the vacuum of anyone sticking their hand up making me think the worst.
I'd be disappointed to ETNZ left the rate/tax payer out of pocket but i dont think it could bring myself to cheer for someone else
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan fingers crossed, might just be the vacuum of anyone sticking their hand up making me think the worst.
I'd be disappointed to ETNZ left the rate/tax payer out of pocket but i dont think it could bring myself to cheer for someone else
You are more tolerant than I am - but I think that you knew that...
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan fingers crossed, might just be the vacuum of anyone sticking their hand up making me think the worst.
I'd be disappointed to ETNZ left the rate/tax payer out of pocket but i dont think it could bring myself to cheer for someone else
You are more tolerant than I am - but I think that you knew that...
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan fingers crossed, might just be the vacuum of anyone sticking their hand up making me think the worst.
I'd be disappointed to ETNZ left the rate/tax payer out of pocket but i dont think it could bring myself to cheer for someone else
You are more tolerant than I am - but I think that you knew that...
could be interesting if the government pulled ay funding and backed another NZ or pseudo NZ team, obviously a long shot but if ETNZ piss off enough people
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@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan fingers crossed, might just be the vacuum of anyone sticking their hand up making me think the worst.
I'd be disappointed to ETNZ left the rate/tax payer out of pocket but i dont think it could bring myself to cheer for someone else
You are more tolerant than I am - but I think that you knew that...
could be interesting if the government pulled ay funding and backed another NZ or pseudo NZ team, obviously a long shot but if ETNZ piss off enough people
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan fingers crossed, might just be the vacuum of anyone sticking their hand up making me think the worst.
I'd be disappointed to ETNZ left the rate/tax payer out of pocket but i dont think it could bring myself to cheer for someone else
You are more tolerant than I am - but I think that you knew that...
could be interesting if the government pulled ay funding and backed another NZ or pseudo NZ team, obviously a long shot but if ETNZ piss off enough people
They are going the right way about it so far.
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@tim definitely wouldn't expect them to get any funding if they do take it overseas, government should take the money theyre offering to host and give to another team, how much was it?
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@tim definitely wouldn't expect them to get any funding if they do take it overseas, government should take the money theyre offering to host and give to another team, how much was it?
I do get sick of the model where they call our bluff and demand more and more each time with idle threats.
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@tim definitely wouldn't expect them to get any funding if they do take it overseas, government should take the money theyre offering to host and give to another team, how much was it?
I do get sick of the model where they call our bluff and demand more and more each time with idle threats.
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Is there an Ocean Racing thread too? couldnt find one, have been following NZ Ocean Racing, disappointed theyre not racing in the current european event but they seem to be still aiming for the 22/23 Ocean Race
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"Emirates Team New Zealand is currently still within the exclusive three-month negotiation period with government and council, so it is premature to comment on commercial negotiations until they have concluded," a spokesman said.
"However, we have only recently received the Government and Council position, which we will now carefully consider over the next two weeks."
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more speculation it's heading to the UK
not sure i like this
Wheatley felt Team New Zealand were finding commercial deals tough to make in the current tight financial environment and, mischievously or not, aired speculation that Swiss billionaire Ernesto Bertarelli, the Alinghi boss who famously ripped the champion Kiwi team of 1995 and 2000 apart, could come to their aid. “Cue the benefactor source of last resort – a bored billionaire – and oh how one of Swiss descendancy might well be licking his lips at a turn-key proposal that just needs the rocket fuel of cash, of which he has plenty, to scoop up and turn into commercial and sporting gold,” Wheatley wrote on Rule69blog. -
more speculation it's heading to the UK
not sure i like this
Wheatley felt Team New Zealand were finding commercial deals tough to make in the current tight financial environment and, mischievously or not, aired speculation that Swiss billionaire Ernesto Bertarelli, the Alinghi boss who famously ripped the champion Kiwi team of 1995 and 2000 apart, could come to their aid. “Cue the benefactor source of last resort – a bored billionaire – and oh how one of Swiss descendancy might well be licking his lips at a turn-key proposal that just needs the rocket fuel of cash, of which he has plenty, to scoop up and turn into commercial and sporting gold,” Wheatley wrote on Rule69blog.@kiwiwomble so they are getting thier rich mates to fill the gap of the 1/4 of a billion the NZ Govt and Auckland Council contribute?
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@kiwiwomble so they are getting thier rich mates to fill the gap of the 1/4 of a billion the NZ Govt and Auckland Council contribute?
@taniwharugby i don't mind a bored billionaire coming in if it means the taxpayer doesn't foot the bill...but Bertarelli?
It must be hard for lots of reasons finding sponsors at the moment
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@taniwharugby i don't mind a bored billionaire coming in if it means the taxpayer doesn't foot the bill...but Bertarelli?
It must be hard for lots of reasons finding sponsors at the moment
@kiwiwomble yeah thats what I was gettign at, more i hope they dont come calling to the Govt for any funding this time, other than what any NZ sports team might get when competing overseas.
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@kiwiwomble yeah thats what I was gettign at, more i hope they dont come calling to the Govt for any funding this time, other than what any NZ sports team might get when competing overseas.
@taniwharugby im happy if they dont get anything if they take it overseas, its one thing to get that same kind of money as anyone else when going to compete in someone else's event, but theyre in control and if they choose to go overseas then i think they need to find it themselves
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That might be better in absolute crap stuff NZ thread.
I just read sailing journo makes shit up to sell an article. He even admits it:
“We’ve been this way before. In the absolute vacuum of real information, conjecture creeps in like an unwelcome leak in a starboard window. But it’s there and collective breaths are being held as the brinksmanship takes things to the wire.
I also agree @Kiwiwomble they shouldn't get cent unless it is held here.
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@taniwharugby i don't mind a bored billionaire coming in if it means the taxpayer doesn't foot the bill...but Bertarelli?
It must be hard for lots of reasons finding sponsors at the moment
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@taniwharugby i don't mind a bored billionaire coming in if it means the taxpayer doesn't foot the bill...but Bertarelli?
It must be hard for lots of reasons finding sponsors at the moment
People forget that he was a TNZ backer before he fucked us. Fool you once shame on him, fool you twice....
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@taniwharugby i don't mind a bored billionaire coming in if it means the taxpayer doesn't foot the bill...but Bertarelli?
It must be hard for lots of reasons finding sponsors at the moment
People forget that he was a TNZ backer before he fucked us. Fool you once shame on him, fool you twice....
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@canefan dont think i ever knew that, for like 1995?
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan dont think i ever knew that, for like 1995?
Gave them a loan in 2003 I think so that we could compete in Valencia.
