Americas Cup
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good post dogmeat.
My biggest fear is the fact Oracle have two boats and zero scruples.
What's to stop them on the last day ramming our boat, ostensibly accidentally, then bringing out their other boat? Burling needs to stay clear. Sometimes he's getting a little close.
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@canefan
I think so, but I was meaning some major damage.
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@canefan said in Americas Cup:
Just like the other crews before them I noticed at one point the Oracle grinders looked poked, whereas out boys just kept keeping on
The other point mentioned by the commentators was that the cyclors on TNZ have their hands free to do other tasks, e.g. Tuke. You have to be impressed with Joseph Sullivan's transition after the rowing debacle.
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Just watched the highlights. Burling was a boss in the starts, particularly when he rescued the start of the second race after losing power and position early. We totally outpaced OR in pure boatspeed and our crew work was superior too. It's not over yet, I'm nervous about the long break but we look good for the lead so far. As long as we continue to improve the boat and don't choke like dogs on the racecourse it's looking good. As one of the comms said, the fastest boat always wins the AC
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The only reason that Oracle came from behind and won the cup last time was because of Ben Ainslie. Spittle just isn't good enough
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IIRC Oracle would have had to show their boat by now but opted against a second boat, using the Japanese boat as a defacto backup for testing
@canefan said in Americas Cup:
IIRC Oracle would have had to show their boat by now but opted against a second boat, using the Japanese boat as a defacto backup for testing
Our friends from Warkworth said they hadn't built a second boat for Oracle on TV tonight.
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@booboo Are you wanting me to expand?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/olympics/rowing/10118990/Repeat-golden-quest-over-for-Joseph-Sullivan
@Bovidae said in Americas Cup:
@booboo Are you wanting me to expand?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/olympics/rowing/10118990/Repeat-golden-quest-over-for-Joseph-Sullivan
Yes please
And thank you
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I have only caught up with watching full races on the day after replays over here. I don't get the channel that has it live.
The race that has me wary is that second one on the first day. Spitball sailed one of those legs way way better that we did and with a lesser boat speed took better lines and made up huge ground. It was like McCaw running from breakdown to breakdown, finding the best line to get there. It was only a mistake on the first gybe after turning that let us off the hook.
I did wonder though if OR had used a huge amount of energy from their grinders in catching up and the hydraulics were requiring more and more effort to get back up until finally they ran out. -
I have only caught up with watching full races on the day after replays over here. I don't get the channel that has it live.
The race that has me wary is that second one on the first day. Spitball sailed one of those legs way way better that we did and with a lesser boat speed took better lines and made up huge ground. It was like McCaw running from breakdown to breakdown, finding the best line to get there. It was only a mistake on the first gybe after turning that let us off the hook.
I did wonder though if OR had used a huge amount of energy from their grinders in catching up and the hydraulics were requiring more and more effort to get back up until finally they ran out.@Crucial That second race where Shithill made up all the time was a wind shift I think. We did better covering today, it cost us some of the lead but kept us in the same air. I think they learnt from race 2.
The hydraulics are a bit of a mystery. An accumulator should really hold enough pressure for the boat to maneuver a few times I reckon, but I haven't read anything that explains the systems at all. Probably all top secret.
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@Crucial That second race where Shithill made up all the time was a wind shift I think. We did better covering today, it cost us some of the lead but kept us in the same air. I think they learnt from race 2.
The hydraulics are a bit of a mystery. An accumulator should really hold enough pressure for the boat to maneuver a few times I reckon, but I haven't read anything that explains the systems at all. Probably all top secret.
@Snowy said in Americas Cup:
@Crucial That second race where Shithill made up all the time was a wind shift I think. We did better covering today, it cost us some of the lead but kept us in the same air. I think they learnt from race 2.
The hydraulics are a bit of a mystery. An accumulator should really hold enough pressure for the boat to maneuver a few times I reckon, but I haven't read anything that explains the systems at all. Probably all top secret.
I'm the same. From what I can guess it is all a bit like blowing up a balloon that then gets used to power stuff while the crew swaps sides or when pressure is needed to hold things in place or tweak them. If you keep using more of the air in the balloon than you can put in eventually you are going to get weaker.
I see the kiwi guys all have data pads on their arms which I guess show them the reserve levels and how hard they need to be working to keep things topped up.
I think the reserves aren't that big either. That time when NZ sat down before the line and let BAR catch up, they said the cyclors had to work super hard to wind up the pressure again. -
@Snowy said in Americas Cup:
@Crucial That second race where Shithill made up all the time was a wind shift I think. We did better covering today, it cost us some of the lead but kept us in the same air. I think they learnt from race 2.
The hydraulics are a bit of a mystery. An accumulator should really hold enough pressure for the boat to maneuver a few times I reckon, but I haven't read anything that explains the systems at all. Probably all top secret.
I'm the same. From what I can guess it is all a bit like blowing up a balloon that then gets used to power stuff while the crew swaps sides or when pressure is needed to hold things in place or tweak them. If you keep using more of the air in the balloon than you can put in eventually you are going to get weaker.
I see the kiwi guys all have data pads on their arms which I guess show them the reserve levels and how hard they need to be working to keep things topped up.
I think the reserves aren't that big either. That time when NZ sat down before the line and let BAR catch up, they said the cyclors had to work super hard to wind up the pressure again.@Crucial Yep. Balloon analogy is about right for an accumulator. I just haven't seen any details on the size of them, pressure, etc. If it was fully pressurised how many tacks / gybes could they make? How much pressure does it take to trim the wing? Raise a dagger board? You might be right that they don't hold much after that last mark rounding cock up V BAR.
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Came across my old KZ Kiwi pin and AC1987 scrapbook yesterday and now (probably stupidly) dare to be excited about the current regatta.
Have just been reading a bit about the past cups. What exactly happened in 1992 and was NZ in the wrong there? Seems pretty farked that they had to make changes 4 races into the final of the LV Cup. But I guess that's no surprise in this rather bizarre comp.
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Came across my old KZ Kiwi pin and AC1987 scrapbook yesterday and now (probably stupidly) dare to be excited about the current regatta.
Have just been reading a bit about the past cups. What exactly happened in 1992 and was NZ in the wrong there? Seems pretty farked that they had to make changes 4 races into the final of the LV Cup. But I guess that's no surprise in this rather bizarre comp.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Americas Cup:
Came across my old KZ Kiwi pin and AC1987 scrapbook yesterday and now (probably stupidly) dare to be excited about the current regatta.
Have just been reading a bit about the past cups. What exactly happened in 1992 and was NZ in the wrong there? Seems pretty farked that they had to make changes 4 races into the final of the LV Cup. But I guess that's no surprise in this rather bizarre comp.
That was the bowsprit episode wasn't it? We were hot favourites and lost to il moro de venezia
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Americas Cup:
Came across my old KZ Kiwi pin and AC1987 scrapbook yesterday and now (probably stupidly) dare to be excited about the current regatta.
Have just been reading a bit about the past cups. What exactly happened in 1992 and was NZ in the wrong there? Seems pretty farked that they had to make changes 4 races into the final of the LV Cup. But I guess that's no surprise in this rather bizarre comp.
That was the bowsprit episode wasn't it? We were hot favourites and lost to il moro de venezia
@canefan said in Americas Cup:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Americas Cup:
Came across my old KZ Kiwi pin and AC1987 scrapbook yesterday and now (probably stupidly) dare to be excited about the current regatta.
Have just been reading a bit about the past cups. What exactly happened in 1992 and was NZ in the wrong there? Seems pretty farked that they had to make changes 4 races into the final of the LV Cup. But I guess that's no surprise in this rather bizarre comp.
That was the bowsprit episode wasn't it? We were hot favourites and lost to il moro de venezia
Yep. Leading 3-1, then had a win annulled, then lost 4 in a row. The 2 wins before the change were by more than 2 minutes.
For some reason I just wasn't interested in this Cup. Maybe too crushed after Dennis the Bastard did the job on us in 87 and then that whole catamaran challenge bullshit.
