All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2
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This thread proves we're no different to any other set of fans, we just dont have as much practice. Heaps of questioning the ref, calling for harsher bans and cards, backed up by still shots. Not our finest work
@mariner4life nah bro, stills are the way forward, show behaviour to be far more thuggish!
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Apart from the clown (which is utterly pathetic) I haven't seen too much in they way of personal attacks. Maybe he is of the opinion that anyone questioning him is attacking him. I've come across that type before. With me or against me.
As for the personal attacks, that Warren thinks personally are quite personal, but doesn't give a toss about, even if they the are against him personally, but are water off ducks back, particularly his personal own ducks back, he personally doesn't care about them personally but they were major personal motivations for winning that he personally doesn't give a personal toss about.
He's a case study in contradictions.
@booboo said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Apart from the clown (which is utterly pathetic) I haven't seen too much in they way of personal attacks. Maybe he is of the opinion that anyone questioning him is attacking him. I've come across that type before. With me or against me.
As for the personal attacks, that Warren thinks personally are quite personal, but doesn't give a toss about, even if they the are against him personally, but are water off ducks back, particularly his personal own ducks back, he personally doesn't care about them personally but they were major personal motivations for winning that he personally doesn't give a personal toss about.
He's a case study in contradictions.
It's hard to tell judging only by the byline (as I don't click), but I think Reason wrote 2 articles this week; first had the gist that Gatland's selections for first test were great but some other reasons meant things didn't pan out. Then about a day later the second test team was named and I assume it must have totally contradicted/undermined what Reason had written, because his next article byline was something about Gatland had lost all integrity or some such.
Petty. But petty in a batshit crazy exiled journo kind of way.
Before seeing that I had assumed Reason was just the consumate professional troll. Weigh up an issue and take a side that will annoy the most of his paper's readers. I ignore him as I don't believe he has the integrity of actually believing what he writes. Those bylines indicated he truely took it personally that Gatland's selections contradicted an article he'd just written. Silly arrogant fool.
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haha, this sums it up nicely
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What fresh hell is this?
Not only did the All Blacks lose thanks to SBW, but I turn on Radio Sport in the car and Mark Watson AND Chris Rattue are on the same show.
For an hour.
Why cruel world?
@Donsteppa hope you threw the radio out the window?
Twattue has been featuring about this time most Sundays, I did mention it several weeks ago, so only yourself to blame!
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@Donsteppa hope you threw the radio out the window?
Twattue has been featuring about this time most Sundays, I did mention it several weeks ago, so only yourself to blame!
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Donsteppa hope you threw the radio out the window?
Twattue has been featuring about this time most Sundays, I did mention it several weeks ago, so only yourself to blame!
Hastily starts reading @taniwharugby's posts again
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What fresh hell is this?
Not only did the All Blacks lose thanks to SBW, but I turn on Radio Sport in the car and Mark Watson AND Chris Rattue are on the same show.
For an hour.
Why cruel world?
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
What fresh hell is this?
Not only did the All Blacks lose thanks to SBW, but I turn on Radio Sport in the car and Mark Watson AND Chris Rattue are on the same show.
For an hour.
Why cruel world?
Could be worse, I'm not sure how though
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@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
What fresh hell is this?
Not only did the All Blacks lose thanks to SBW, but I turn on Radio Sport in the car and Mark Watson AND Chris Rattue are on the same show.
For an hour.
Why cruel world?
Could be worse, I'm not sure how though
@jegga said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
What fresh hell is this?
Not only did the All Blacks lose thanks to SBW, but I turn on Radio Sport in the car and Mark Watson AND Chris Rattue are on the same show.
For an hour.
Why cruel world?
Could be worse, I'm not sure how though
"And now we're joined by special guest, Stephen Jones, welcome to the show Stephen..."
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What fresh hell is this?
Not only did the All Blacks lose thanks to SBW, but I turn on Radio Sport in the car and Mark Watson AND Chris Rattue are on the same show.
For an hour.
Why cruel world?
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
What fresh hell is this?
Not only did the All Blacks lose thanks to SBW, but I turn on Radio Sport in the car and Mark Watson AND Chris Rattue are on the same show.
For an hour.
Why cruel world?
I stumbled on to this inadvertently and thought it was a radio version of Ren and Stimpy. Then the Stimpy one suggested starting a test with Crockett and Faumuina and I realised who it was.
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Just seeing that Retallick offside call now and that is absolutely insane as too the jumping tackle bollocks, they both seem just made up by the ref which is worrying. SBW incident easily a red. The 2nd Vunipola incident however was on a very similar level, happy to accept different interpretations resulting in the different cards. The Sean O'Brien swinging arm looks to be like a complete nothing incident, maybe a penalty at most, just very unlucky timing for both players. Surprised that the citing commissioner believes it is a red card threshold.
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Darn that was a hard fought game. Everyone (bar SBW) who took the field take a fucking bow. I mean the first test was very enterntaining, but this one was full out fuck you nah fuck you players smacking the shit out of each others.
I think Hansen needs to shoulder some blame for this, after the red card if you absolutely feel the need to get more speed out there, swap Kaino for Ardie, he could have performed a hybrid 12/7 role easily, but hindsight is 20/20 and Laumape could have decided that, he looked dangerous with ball in hand. Either way he was forced becouse SBW was dumb.
Also Sam Cane and Reallick were Massive, their workrate is second to none, and Cane probably hits harder than anyone in the game right now.
Last, congratulations Lions and their fans, I always thought they would get more competetive the longer they are together and the first teamers stayed fit and got more minutes under their belt. The third test will be one for the ages and one could only hope to be there.
@Sapetyvi said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
I think Hansen needs to shoulder some blame for this, after the red card if you absolutely feel the need to get more speed out there, swap Kaino for Ardie, he could have performed a hybrid 12/7 role easily, but hindsight is 20/20 and Laumape could have decided that, he looked dangerous with ball in hand. Either way he was forced becouse SBW was dumb.
I don't think the decision was made to get more speed out there - it was made to get 7 backs on the park. that they did it so quickly it was clearly something they'd thought about previously and I think it was the right decision.
If you think about it - when a prop gets yellow carded it's usually the blindside flanker who sits out part of the 10 minutes while the reserve prop has to come on. So Kaino is logically the man who is going to be sat down.
In this case, the problem is that we can't spend 65 minutes defending seven backs onto six. We're short of a second five eighth and we have a specialist one of those sitting on the bench, so I can't see why we'd bring on Ardie to play there?
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I can't believe NZers were posting at 8am this morning. Surely drinking yourself into oblivion is the only option after an AB loss?
Anyway, after a restless sleep full of nightmares some further thoughts...
First of all congrats to the Lions and their fans. It's been nearly 8 years since the ABs last lost at home, 14 in Wellington and to do it against the odds after being touched up in the first test is an incredible effort. That test was brutal as fuck, there'll be some very sore bodies today, but it was one for the ages and will go down in rugby folklore. Long live Lions tours!
The ref, I don't want this to sound like a whinge as he didn't cost the ABs the game, but as soon as Garces was announced a shockwave of nerves went through all rugby supporters. The 2nd test of the series was always going to be the most intense and full of niggle, and it was clear before the match that Garces was never going to be up to the task. He was very poor for both sides - inconsistent as fuck and straight up arrogant at times. His comminication with the rest of the reffing team was comical and showed huge incompetence. So that begs the obvious question - why was he selected for such an important match? Very frustrating as his performance will take away from what was an epic test now.
Despite that, this has been an awesome tour. Some absolutely cracking matches in the leadup to the tests, with some of the NZ teams showcasing the depth of talent we have (NZB, Blues, Canes and Landers) while the Lions showcased how clinical they can be with thier style of rugby (v NZM, Saders and Chiefs).
And now against the odds we are all off to Fortress Eden locked at 1-1! Will the heroic soldiers from Britian and Ireland have the strength to bring about the fall of Eden? Or will the noble men in black repeal yet another attack on our castle? An epic LOTR-style battle of Helm's Deep awaits us all - bring it on!!
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@jegga I still can't see much in the Naholo incident that would warrant SOB taking an enforced break.
What I can't believe after watching the replay is some fans trying to minimise Vunipola's actions. He was't clearing out a player in the ruck. He was clearing out a player who was already out of the ruck and he was damn lucky that his tucked right arm didn't connect with Barrett's head.
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@scruffy-lookin said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Billy-Tell it wasn't necessarily foul play but it was a pin-point swinging arm to the temple. It's hard to judge intent but it certainly warranted further investigation.
There's a citing process. If you guys are all correct, then we will see more than SBW in front of the judiciary. If we don't, then maybe time to reconsider your stance?
If we're talking about the ref, Farrell was taken late, and the penalty in the first half for Vunipola apparently not supporting his body weight was an incredibly harsh call.
And I don't think Sinckler jumped into the tackle, he jumped to catch the ball, and Faumuina had pre-anticipated his tackle. It was a harsh enough penalty, but if the shoe had been on the other foot, I would have taken it.
I think Ayoub was trying to suggest red card to Garces for the Vunipola challenge, but the way they communicate is so oblique always require deciphering, especially the Frenchies for whom English is not their first language.
@Billy-Tell There is a citing process but why anyone would have faith in it is beyond me.
As for pre-anticipating a tackle. That's a new one. Surely all tackles almost are pre-anticipated. It was Sinckler's actions that caused a dangerous situation and sets a dangerous precendent if the tackler is now responsible for the getting the ball carrier out of the predicament he got himself into.
As for the communication barrier between the officials. I believe that we need to move to referee teams that work together regularly so they can build combinations and understanding because too often they don't appear to trust each other and we get muddled application of the laws.
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@jegga I still can't see much in the Naholo incident that would warrant SOB taking an enforced break.
What I can't believe after watching the replay is some fans trying to minimise Vunipola's actions. He was't clearing out a player in the ruck. He was clearing out a player who was already out of the ruck and he was damn lucky that his tucked right arm didn't connect with Barrett's head.
@Nepia said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@jegga I still can't see much in the Naholo incident that would warrant SOB taking an enforced break.
What I can't believe after watching the replay is some fans trying to minimise Vunipola's actions. He was't clearing out a player in the ruck. He was clearing out a player who was already out of the ruck and he was damn lucky that his tucked right arm didn't connect with Barrett's head.
The Naholo incident didn't seem like a red to me either. Vunipola was closer imho.
Really looking forward to next weeks game now, doubt I would have given a fuck to be honest if we had of won last night.
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@jegga I still can't see much in the Naholo incident that would warrant SOB taking an enforced break.
What I can't believe after watching the replay is some fans trying to minimise Vunipola's actions. He was't clearing out a player in the ruck. He was clearing out a player who was already out of the ruck and he was damn lucky that his tucked right arm didn't connect with Barrett's head.
@Nepia almost agree but accidental doesn't matter nowadays. Contact to head with swinging arm resulting in concussion and player leaving the field. O'Brien is a wonderful player and clean as but shit happens and the rules are about cleaning up technique as much as dirty play
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@jegga I still can't see much in the Naholo incident that would warrant SOB taking an enforced break.
What I can't believe after watching the replay is some fans trying to minimise Vunipola's actions. He was't clearing out a player in the ruck. He was clearing out a player who was already out of the ruck and he was damn lucky that his tucked right arm didn't connect with Barrett's head.
The Naholo incident didn't seem like a red to me either. Vunipola was closer imho.
Really looking forward to next weeks game now, doubt I would have given a fuck to be honest if we had of won last night.
@jegga said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@jegga I still can't see much in the Naholo incident that would warrant SOB taking an enforced break.
What I can't believe after watching the replay is some fans trying to minimise Vunipola's actions. He was't clearing out a player in the ruck. He was clearing out a player who was already out of the ruck and he was damn lucky that his tucked right arm didn't connect with Barrett's head.
The Naholo incident didn't seem like a red to me either. Vunipola was closer imho.
Really looking forward to next weeks game now, doubt I would have given a fuck to be honest if we had of won last night.
Yep, definitely adds some spice to the series. I can see a 1993 style touching up of the Lions next week TBH. Or a 2005 second test version.
The ABs will spend the week fuming.
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@Nepia almost agree but accidental doesn't matter nowadays. Contact to head with swinging arm resulting in concussion and player leaving the field. O'Brien is a wonderful player and clean as but shit happens and the rules are about cleaning up technique as much as dirty play
@kev said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Nepia almost agree but accidental doesn't matter nowadays. Contact to head with swinging arm resulting in concussion and player leaving the field. O'Brien is a wonderful player and clean as but shit happens and the rules are about cleaning up technique as much as dirty play
I actually can't see the swinging arm. Of four of us watching together last night, 2 could see the arm and 2 couldn't - we need a Green and Gold style breakdown ....
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@taniwharugby did he actually hit him though? When I saw it I thought he basically skimmed over the top of him, making only pretty light contact. Barrett stayed down as if he had been hit hard, but it didn't look like it to me. I don't think it was clear head contact any more than what you see at heaps of rucks, just more obvious with less players around. Sort of seemed like an 'is a high tackle penalisable if it misses' sort of situation to me.
Unnecessary, clumsy, illegal - probably all of those things, but a clear red card like some are saying? When we haven't had one since 1967? I don't really buy that.Are we talking about the same incident?
Late charge - he pretty much skimmed his chest, Barrett stayed down for some reason.
Cleanout - nailed him with forearm, Barrett didn't do any hollywood (that I noticed).
Not that I'm sold on the red-card theory, but...@Kruse I'm for a red card. It was an forearm to the head even if the head wasn't first contact. Coming son soon after the debateable penalty for the "late charge" that it is very hard to to not see it as Vunipola getting BB back for milking.
I'm not sure how if SBW gets a red for a shoulder to the head that does no damage a forearm to the head gets anything less.
