All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2
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@MadGav said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Those blaming Barrett need to take a few breaths.
He missed a few, sure.
He still kicked 7 penalties and all our points. Carter had plenty of kicking nights like his.
We have always known that Barret is a really average kicker so it's a bit rich to blame him now for his poor kicking. But his last play was pathetic, time is up and you chip the ball from inside your 22. That was almost as dumb as Cruden's cross kick with a minute to go.
@akan004 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@MadGav said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Those blaming Barrett need to take a few breaths.
He missed a few, sure.
He still kicked 7 penalties and all our points. Carter had plenty of kicking nights like his.
We have always known that Barret is a really average kicker so it's a bit rich to blame him now for his poor kicking. But his last play was pathetic, time is up and you chip the ball from inside your 22. That was almost as dumb as Cruden's cross kick with a minute to go.
That's a bit harsh. He was thrown the ball, he had no support, and there was a wall of Lions players running right at him. Crudens kick was at the other end of the field while hot on attack.
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@MadGav said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Those blaming Barrett need to take a few breaths.
He missed a few, sure.
He still kicked 7 penalties and all our points. Carter had plenty of kicking nights like his.
We have always known that Barret is a really average kicker so it's a bit rich to blame him now for his poor kicking. But his last play was pathetic, time is up and you chip the ball from inside your 22. That was almost as dumb as Cruden's cross kick with a minute to go.
@akan004 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
We have always known that Barret is a really average kicker so it's a bit rich to blame him now for his poor kicking. But his last play was pathetic, time is up and you chip the ball from inside your 22. That was almost as dumb as Cruden's cross kick with a minute to go.
A really average kicker wouldn't have kicked 7 penalties in the those conditions. The last play we had nothing else on and a wall of red in front, miracles don't always happen.
So much hyperbole after a loss!
Looking forward to next week.
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barrett's chip is indefensible. it wasn't on, there was no space. he needed to try to find some support and recycle.
as for SBW offering something nobody else does, that's bullshit too i reckon. ALB has as good an offloading game, (it was Luatua's offload that made the West try for the blues), Laumape is a more effective battering ram, Fekitoa is a more physical defender, and Crotty is a more reliable defender, a far better organiser and passer, and makes a fraction of the errors. What exactly is it that he offers that nobody else does, if it isn't defence, offloading, passing, pace, brains?
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I'm not sure why some are so certain that SBW won't be around for 2019 RWC - he's signed up to the end of 2019.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
I'm not sure why some are so certain that SBW won't be around for 2019 RWC - he's signed up to the end of 2019.
Ha, oops.
I'm way fucked off though. I don't see how, as a coach, you ca be happy with that. It probably depends on whether you think it was intentional (my opinion) or not. If so, how do you pick him? It was perhaps forgivable in 2011 as a new convert, but now? WTF?
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barrett's chip is indefensible. it wasn't on, there was no space. he needed to try to find some support and recycle.
as for SBW offering something nobody else does, that's bullshit too i reckon. ALB has as good an offloading game, (it was Luatua's offload that made the West try for the blues), Laumape is a more effective battering ram, Fekitoa is a more physical defender, and Crotty is a more reliable defender, a far better organiser and passer, and makes a fraction of the errors. What exactly is it that he offers that nobody else does, if it isn't defence, offloading, passing, pace, brains?
@reprobate said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
barrett's chip is indefensible. it wasn't on, there was no space. he needed to try to find some support and recycle.
as for SBW offering something nobody else does, that's bullshit too i reckon. ALB has as good an offloading game, (it was Luatua's offload that made the West try for the blues), Laumape is a more effective battering ram, Fekitoa is a more physical defender, and Crotty is a more reliable defender, a far better organiser and passer, and makes a fraction of the errors. What exactly is it that he offers that nobody else does, if it isn't defence, offloading, passing, pace, brains?
Seriously? He had no other black jersey near him. Sure it was a crap option, but what else could he do? No way was that ball coming back if he ran at the line.
Btw Lions should get alot of credit for their chase. There were alot more Red jerseys than black ones there.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
barrett's chip is indefensible. it wasn't on, there was no space. he needed to try to find some support and recycle.
as for SBW offering something nobody else does, that's bullshit too i reckon. ALB has as good an offloading game, (it was Luatua's offload that made the West try for the blues), Laumape is a more effective battering ram, Fekitoa is a more physical defender, and Crotty is a more reliable defender, a far better organiser and passer, and makes a fraction of the errors. What exactly is it that he offers that nobody else does, if it isn't defence, offloading, passing, pace, brains?
Seriously? He had no other black jersey near him. Sure it was a crap option, but what else could he do? No way was that ball coming back if he ran at the line.
Btw Lions should get alot of credit for their chase. There were alot more Red jerseys than black ones there.
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Bloody hell. I have only read a little on this thread and the whinging points are just nutty!
SBW had a brain fart. Straight red for me but bugger me leave out the hysterics. He'll be filthy with himself. He doesn't need anyone but the coaches to give him a serve.
Barrett was bloody good tonight.
Thought the ref got it right. The O'Brian nudge was reckless and was another yellow but the ref didn't see it. Move on.
The Lions scored the only tries, they were beauties and deserved to win the game. Ignoring numbers, they were the best team.
I have a problem with the jumping into the tackle penalty though. Bloody hell, just jump when you catch the ball and you can't be tackled. In my opinion the attacker is wrong and should be penalized for jumping. Ref correct with the current rules however. Move on.
Oooooh and Cruden kicking at the 79th minute stressed me out. -
@Rancid-Schnitzel If he didn't have any black jerseys near him, he shouldn't have called for the quick lineout.
@akan004 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Rancid-Schnitzel If he didn't have any black jerseys near him, he shouldn't have called for the quick lineout.
Maybe. Either way they were Friar Tucked.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
barrett's chip is indefensible. it wasn't on, there was no space. he needed to try to find some support and recycle.
as for SBW offering something nobody else does, that's bullshit too i reckon. ALB has as good an offloading game, (it was Luatua's offload that made the West try for the blues), Laumape is a more effective battering ram, Fekitoa is a more physical defender, and Crotty is a more reliable defender, a far better organiser and passer, and makes a fraction of the errors. What exactly is it that he offers that nobody else does, if it isn't defence, offloading, passing, pace, brains?
Seriously? He had no other black jersey near him. Sure it was a crap option, but what else could he do? No way was that ball coming back if he ran at the line.
Btw Lions should get alot of credit for their chase. There were alot more Red jerseys than black ones there.
@Rancid-Schnitzel he had to try to keep the ball. it would have taken a good effort, but he is fast and very good on his feet, which are big advantages when you're trying to buy time. it was far better odds than kicking it to them. lose the ball, lose the game.
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Reading people saying SBW should never play for the All Blacks again makes me think of hysterical wimmin
@Siam said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Reading people saying SBW should never play for the All Blacks again makes me think of hysterical wimmin
Yep, I've calmed down a bit now.
My original thought process was that it would just be a sweet symbolic statement... and we've got plenty of players available to make it possible. -
@Rancid-Schnitzel he had to try to keep the ball. it would have taken a good effort, but he is fast and very good on his feet, which are big advantages when you're trying to buy time. it was far better odds than kicking it to them. lose the ball, lose the game.
@reprobate said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Rancid-Schnitzel he had to try to keep the ball. it would have taken a good effort, but he is fast and very good on his feet, which are big advantages when you're trying to buy time. it was far better odds than kicking it to them. lose the ball, lose the game.
Even if by some miracle they'd managed to get the ball back, what then? Maul it 90 odd metres? There were no good options in that situation, just less shittier ones. I think it's very harsh to criticise any player in a situation like that.
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I'm selling chill pills if anyone wants some. There is a lot of people throwing tantrums and toys out of the cot here...
I don't think NZ could have done too much different, maybe gone for a 5m line-out rather than one of those missed penalties.
Speaking of which, we all knew that one day BB's goal-kicking would cost a test match.
I find weird the decision to pull Kaino. Plain weird.
Credit to the Lions, they hung in there despite their appalling discipline. I wish they would get free-kicked at least once at the lineout for systematically closing the gap every time though.
NZ needs to think a bit about we approach Auckland, it could be a nailbiter.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Duluth said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
TSF site traffic has just gone past the Chicago loss
My Facebook feed is full of crowing wallaby fans
Is @NTA one of them or is he boring people about his Powerwall?
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well, that was disappointing blowing that lead. Lions looked better than last week but still not anywhere close to the level of the ABs, who usually always have a purple patch where just everything seems to click.
The SBW red was clearly the correct decision, it was just a fucking stupid "tackle". The Faumuina penalty at the end was clearly the wrong decision, though, jumping into the tackle counts as dangerous play and the penalty should have been the other way around. I also think - only having seen it live and I think one replay - Murray might have been lucky on his try as Perenara and Savea were both the defenders at the ruck and taken out off the ball. But those things happen at most rucks, I know. -
@reprobate said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Rancid-Schnitzel he had to try to keep the ball. it would have taken a good effort, but he is fast and very good on his feet, which are big advantages when you're trying to buy time. it was far better odds than kicking it to them. lose the ball, lose the game.
Even if by some miracle they'd managed to get the ball back, what then? Maul it 90 odd metres? There were no good options in that situation, just less shittier ones. I think it's very harsh to criticise any player in a situation like that.
@Rancid-Schnitzel 20 something phases, score in the corner then cruden kicks the extras, obviously. Has history taught you nothing?
Seriously though, as unlikely as it may be, if you've got the ball you're in control of your own destiny, and the game is still alive. -
- I question the decision to penalise Retallick for the first Lions' penalty kick.
- what the heck was Aaron Smith doing before their second? Right in front of the ref. Stupid!
- I think TJP was definitely held before the Lions' 2nd try; if that hadn't happened, it's arguable that the try might not have been scored.
- IMO that last penalty against Faumuina was indeed ridiculous.
Vunipola v BB:
1st time: shoulder into BB's chest
2nd time: at least 3 problems - 1) point of contact (arm against neck/head), 2) diving on a player who is already lying on the ground, 3) BB didn't have the ballJudge for yourself, but I think it should have been red.
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Unlucky guys, really odd game to watch and the Lions did pretty much everything they could to make things difficult for themselves despite the red card. Biggest positives were tightening up defensively around the ruck and finishing the few opportunities they got. Keeps things interesting anyway.
Will need to be a lot better next week though. McGrath for Vunipola the obvious change.
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Positives: next test is more interesting. You learn from the losses. This series is valuable for 2019 IMO. I think England might be our theoretical semi-final opponents?
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- I question the decision to penalise Retallick for the first Lions' penalty kick.
- what the heck was Aaron Smith doing before their second? Right in front of the ref. Stupid!
- I think TJP was definitely held before the Lions' 2nd try; if that hadn't happened, it's arguable that the try might not have been scored.
- IMO that last penalty against Faumuina was indeed ridiculous.
Vunipola v BB:
1st time: shoulder into BB's chest
2nd time: at least 3 problems - 1) point of contact (arm against neck/head), 2) diving on a player who is already lying on the ground, 3) BB didn't have the ballJudge for yourself, but I think it should have been red.
@Stargazer Can't believe the call on Retallick. He did what every forward does at a ruck before a box kick which was to be a blocker for the halfback. What a shocking call.
