All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Perenara was poor, again tonight. He's obviously got talent but far too often is found wanting when the pressure is on.
The concern is that we don't really have someone knocking on the door underneath Smith and him. I would've kept Smith for the 80 tonight.
Don't agree with that at all. I'm not saying he was playing well, but IMO he wasn't poor either. He played so few minutes (less than 6 minutes), that he hardly had the time to come into game.
IMO, TJP is one of the players in the squad (another one is Julian Savea) that some people just like to criticise. Sometimes that's warranted, but on other occasions any stick will do to beat a dog.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Perenara was poor, again tonight. He's obviously got talent but far too often is found wanting when the pressure is on.
The concern is that we don't really have someone knocking on the door underneath Smith and him. I would've kept Smith for the 80 tonight.
Don't agree with that at all. I'm not saying he was playing well, but IMO he wasn't poor either. He played so few minutes (less than 6 minutes), that he hardly had the time to come into game.
IMO, TJP is one of the players in the squad (another one is Julian Savea) that some people just like to criticise. Sometimes that's warranted, but on other occasions any stick will do to beat a dog.
You might not agree with it but go back and watch the last few minutes again. I don't know what he was doing behind that scrum but it wasn't being a halfback. How did the Lions get the ball if TJ was doing his job?
It was very poor and unfortunately for TJ (and I'm a fan of his running game and usually his play) we have seen this sort of thing from him before at test level. He needs to calm it and just play.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Just wondering why there were 3 NH refs for each game. At least they should have had 1 SH ref for some equality.
Peyper?
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Could be an interesting season with a few more twists and turns yet ,
Havent seen them myself, but all reports are saying the Boks are turning the corner ,and starting to look the real deal
England at twickers later onNot trolling here, but I find that incredible.
I can understand the average Kiwi supporter being unfamiliar with a lot of the BIL players, and vice versa.
But not to have watched the SA provinces and /or SA national team and not know the calibre of your upcoming opponents when you play in the same competition each year is baffling.
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Could be an interesting season with a few more twists and turns yet ,
Havent seen them myself, but all reports are saying the Boks are turning the corner ,and starting to look the real deal
England at twickers later onNot trolling here, but I find that incredible.
I can understand the average Kiwi supporter being unfamiliar with a lot of the BIL players, and vice versa.
But not to have watched the SA provinces and /or SA national team and not know the calibre of your upcoming opponents when you play in the same competition each year is baffling.
Their teams are shit, we hardly play them, the games are on at 3 am and their tests were after the Lions. Most people only have time to watch 2-3 games a weekend. Better to watch the NZ teams.
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@Gunner He's contracted to the NZRU so play him. Other players are buggering off and Hansen doesn't take the time to criticise them personally in the media.
The non-selection was arrogant, and the team is performing poorly. You use your best players, you don't pretend you're too good for them and lose at home.
@Tim said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Gunner He's contracted to the NZRU so play him. Other players are buggering off and Hansen doesn't take the time to criticise them personally in the media.
The non-selection was arrogant, and the team is performing poorly. You use your best players, you don't pretend you're too good for them and lose at home.
Re Luatua. I agree he should have been in the squad but would he have made the bench in front of Barrett?
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Ok. I finally got to watch this. And ended up feeling like I kissed my sister
We wuz robbed! (assuming Beauden would have got the kick...)
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Interesting stat I read: Lions lead the ABS for 3 minutes in this series.
Doesn't seem right?
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@Tim said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Gunner He's contracted to the NZRU so play him. Other players are buggering off and Hansen doesn't take the time to criticise them personally in the media.
The non-selection was arrogant, and the team is performing poorly. You use your best players, you don't pretend you're too good for them and lose at home.
Re Luatua. I agree he should have been in the squad but would he have made the bench in front of Barrett?
@booboo said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Tim said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Gunner He's contracted to the NZRU so play him. Other players are buggering off and Hansen doesn't take the time to criticise them personally in the media.
The non-selection was arrogant, and the team is performing poorly. You use your best players, you don't pretend you're too good for them and lose at home.
Re Luatua. I agree he should have been in the squad but would he have made the bench in front of Barrett?
Probably should have, given they picked Barrett for the bench then didn't trust him.
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The worse thing is I owe someone a million dollars.
Line open and Savea drops a sitter! Thanks mate. Not.
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I am pretty drunk and angry so take this with a grain of salt:
I thought in the last few minutes of the test Poite was pretty terrible.
He made a decision about a penalty for offside, which for some reason he decided not to play advantage for.
He then decided to refer the PK upstairs, which he had basis in law to do so.
He then saw that the PK was correct (even if harsh) but he felt bad about it because it was marginal and felt because it would decide the series he reversed his decision and awarded a scrum instead.
It was a clear penalty. He just bottled it due to a lack of balls.
I think we had plenty of chances to win in the first half, but even so; I'm pretty miffed about it.
Perhaps when I've sobered up I might have a different view.
@Damo said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I am pretty drunk and angry so take this with a grain of salt:
I thought in the last few minutes of the test Poite was pretty terrible.
He made a decision about a penalty for offside, which for some reason he decided not to play advantage for.
He then decided to refer the PK upstairs, which he had basis in law to do so.
He then saw that the PK was correct (even if harsh) but he felt bad about it because it was marginal and felt because it would decide the series he reversed his decision and awarded a scrum instead.
It was a clear penalty. He just bottled it due to a lack of balls.
I think we had plenty of chances to win in the first half, but even so; I'm pretty miffed about it.
Perhaps when I've sobered up I might have a different view.
For a drunk rant that seems fairly logical and reasonable. Try harder you're not doing it right.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Could be an interesting season with a few more twists and turns yet ,
Havent seen them myself, but all reports are saying the Boks are turning the corner ,and starting to look the real deal
England at twickers later onNot trolling here, but I find that incredible.
I can understand the average Kiwi supporter being unfamiliar with a lot of the BIL players, and vice versa.
But not to have watched the SA provinces and /or SA national team and not know the calibre of your upcoming opponents when you play in the same competition each year is baffling.
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Could be an interesting season with a few more twists and turns yet ,
Havent seen them myself, but all reports are saying the Boks are turning the corner ,and starting to look the real deal
England at twickers later onNot trolling here, but I find that incredible.
I can understand the average Kiwi supporter being unfamiliar with a lot of the BIL players, and vice versa.
But not to have watched the SA provinces and /or SA national team and not know the calibre of your upcoming opponents when you play in the same competition each year is baffling.
I watched one of their games against France and they looked good but France rarely travel well. How much rugby do you watch in an average weekend? South Africa do have a lot of dross hence them losing two teams and they mostly play in the middle of the night, I guess you could record the games but I'm not going to spend my weekends watching teams I have no investment in play rubbish rugby.
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@Frye Or the Aussie Bloke. Forget his name. In hindsight very strange that this was not considered.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Frye Or the Aussie Bloke. Forget his name. In hindsight very strange that this was not considered.
You're making no fucking sense.
A South African refereed the first test.
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@ACT-Crusader He was poor and he was on for 2 minutes? Really?
@broughie said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@ACT-Crusader He was poor and he was on for 2 minutes? Really?
He came on at about 73:45.
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Interesting stat I read: Lions lead the ABS for 3 minutes in this series.
Doesn't seem right?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Interesting stat
The only stats that matter:
NZ 1
Lions 1
Drawn 1Forget Poite-gate - the ABs didn't take the game away from the Lions in the first 20 when they were on top.
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Jordie is an interesting prospect at FB at test level ,
6 foot 5 with good ariel skills , never really gave it much thought until I saw it in action last night ,
I get the feeling that alone , could be more valuable at test level than super rugby level
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@ACT-Crusader Well, hopefully Tuipulotu gets his act together in the NPC.
@Tim said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@ACT-Crusader Well, hopefully Tuipulotu gets his act together in the NPC.
Liked and quoted for further impact
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@Rocky-Rockbottom said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Now that I think about it both teams were a bit shit.
Lions had a burl didnt look really likely at all and fucked up plenty, wonky lineouts, knock ons etc.
And NZ with too many fuckups to capitalise. If that performance was trundled out by the 2015 vintage there'd be calls for heads to roll.
Some of it has to be on the captain. Fuck the ref, he was always goign to be suspect and shouldve been removed from computations well before the 79th minute. Yes, there's some newbie 2nd stringers in there but the blue heads of yesteryear seem to have gone a bit red headed stepsister. Shouldve been enough caps in that AB pack to find away after all the Lions flubs.
Hansen seems quite content with a draw. In fact, the whole coaching staff seem like a very cosy and content little cabal of tenured ivory towered professors. And who's next? Preordained. Yes, it's tonights fucking AB attack coach! Ian fucking Foster. He's Shag's mate! Fuck this, now I'm getting annoyed. Where's the accountability?
Have a lot of sympathy for this, but I think we ought to ask ourselves what the score might have been had our starting backline been Smith/BB/SBW/Crotty/Ioane/Dagg/Bender. Quite a lot of experienced cattle left out. Also heard somewhere that ball was quite slippery, which would be consistent with the extraordinary error rate. I can't remember an AB test with so many scrums! And in the final analysis refereeing incontestably saved the pride.
Sure there will be a long video nasty for the team to view on Monday. -
I really want to be a "rugby was the winner" type guy right now, but everything in my being is telling me to find the nearest Citroen and fuck that shit up.
AB's fucked up. Jordie should have been kicking. Where does it say your 10 has to kick goals? We dropped balls on the last pass maybe 4-5 times with the line beckoning.
Hansen and co made sub for subs sake. Aaron Cruden got 50 up, well done, but Barrett was better off staying there. Stupid sub. Fekitoa did not need to come on. Him and his upright running style and die with the ball attitude can fuck right off thanks. Why leave TJ off until the last 7min? Thats not tactical, there is no point to that sub. Thats incompetent.
However - How is it possible that Poite can allow the entire Lions squad to talk to him but Read at the end is not allowed to ask a question? How is it possible that over this series that the ABs can be penalised for an offence and then the lions for the same offence only moments later go without punishment?
Anyway there are bigger things in this world to worry about. Well done the Lions for bringing it and playing what was in front of them....even when it was their own man.
@raznomore said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I really want to be a "rugby was the winner" type guy right now, but everything in my being is telling me to find the nearest Citroen and fuck that shit up.
AB's fucked up. Jordie should have been kicking. Where does it say your 10 has to kick goals? We dropped balls on the last pass maybe 4-5 times with the line beckoning.
Hansen and co made sub for subs sake. Aaron Cruden got 50 up, well done, but Barrett was better off staying there. Stupid sub.
Fekitoa did not need to come on. Him and his upright running style and die with the ball attitude can fuck right off thanks. Why leave TJ off until the last 7min? Thats not tactical, there is no point to that sub. Thats incompetent.
However - How is it possible that Poite can allow the entire Lions squad to talk to him but Read at the end is not allowed to ask a question? How is it possible that over this series that the ABs can be penalised for an offence and then the lions for the same offence only moments later go without punishment?
Anyway there are bigger things in this world to worry about. Well done the Lions for bringing it and playing what was in front of them....even when it was their own man.
1st bolded bit. This shits me. If Jordie is the better kicker he kicks. Fuck I recall a lock kicking successfully for a tier one nation whi also used a centre around the same period. (Goung way back I recall a prop toe hacking for King Country ... but I digress).
Piri kicked in the RWC. Etc etc
2nd bolded bit. When I saw the ref appointments I was worried. In retrospect I'd have preferred non-neutrals like Nigel Owens or even Wayne Barnes (yes, Wayne Barnes).
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I thought poire was really good (yeah, someone reffed the gap in the lineout).
But warburtin not a penalty early on that was just a champion steal. And well the offside that wasn't. It was a technical penalty which nz lost a game by last weekend.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Interesting stat
The only stats that matter:
NZ 1
Lions 1
Drawn 1Forget Poite-gate - the ABs didn't take the game away from the Lions in the first 20 when they were on top.
@Megweya said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Interesting stat
The only stats that matter:
NZ 1
Lions 1
Drawn 1Forget Poite-gate - the ABs didn't take the game away from the Lions in the first 20 when they were on top.
True, we should have put that game to bed in the first half, but I bet if the shoe was on the other foot and poite had changed his mind to a wrong call you'd be equally as livid...or maybe the Lions are better at arguing with the ref than us.
2 shocking calls in the last minute of last 2 games....why wouldn't they have the same ref over 3 games? Graces should never have been given last week's game, Poite and Peyper yes, but I'd prefer they tried the same ref.
Poite wa not the reason we lost, but was a factor (rest were on us) in why we didn't win.
