All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3
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As has been mentioned in the media over the last few days, I am expecting the ABs to bounce back like they did in Dublin last year after the loss in Chicago. That doesn't mean it will be easy but BBBR's comments yesterday reiterate that the players themselves know what is required to give themselves the best chance to win.
Even though we AB fans don't like losing, the Lions win in Wellington was exactly what the series needed. These games are called tests for a reason and everything is on the line in Auckland for the players and coaches. For those of us lucky enough to be at Eden Park, these are the games to look forward to.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
As has been mentioned in the media over the last few days, I am expecting the ABs to bounce back like they did in Dublin last year after the loss in Chicago. That doesn't mean it will be easy but BBBR's comments yesterday reiterate that the players themselves know what is required to give themselves the best chance to win.
These bounce-back scenarios are pretty fascinating. For me it's about the balance between confidence vs fear of losing and how that changes between matches.
Going into Match1 you sensed the All Blacks were a bit more fearful with a relatively unknown opponent while the Lions were pretty confident on the basis of good wins against Maori and Crusaders, who they wrongly perceived as being pretty close to the All Blacks level.
The Lions then went into Match 2 with the balance heavily towards fear of losing and the All Blacks, although they'll deny it forever, were carrying too much confidence from their previous effort. For Match 3 the All Blacks will be back in the fear zone in a big way and if they can channel that into focus and not jitters, they'll win.
Amateurish pop psychology aside, I hope they select a Fekitoa - Lienert Brown midfield and leave the rest unchanged.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
As has been mentioned in the media over the last few days, I am expecting the ABs to bounce back like they did in Dublin last year after the loss in Chicago. That doesn't mean it will be easy but BBBR's comments yesterday reiterate that the players themselves know what is required to give themselves the best chance to win.
These bounce-back scenarios are pretty fascinating. For me it's about the balance between confidence vs fear of losing and how that changes between matches.
Going into Match1 you sensed the All Blacks were a bit more fearful with a relatively unknown opponent while the Lions were pretty confident on the basis of good wins against Maori and Crusaders, who they wrongly perceived as being pretty close to the All Blacks level.
The Lions then went into Match 2 with the balance heavily towards fear of losing and the All Blacks, although they'll deny it forever, were carrying too much confidence from their previous effort. For Match 3 the All Blacks will be back in the fear zone in a big way and if they can channel that into focus and not jitters, they'll win.
Amateurish pop psychology aside, I hope they select a Fekitoa - Lienert Brown midfield and leave the rest unchanged.
@Marty said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
The Lions then went into Match 2 with the balance heavily towards fear of losing and the All Blacks, although they'll deny it forever, were carrying too much confidence from their previous effort. For Match 3 the All Blacks will be back in the fear zone in a big way and if they can channel that into focus and not jitters, they'll win.
Couldn't disagree more.
Match 2 I reckon we were playing our full 80 game. We don't often tear into things at the front end, so that we can finish over the top of teams in the last quarter. Until the Red Card on Saturday night, I had no fear that we would lose if we played close to our potential. On the other hand, I could see the intensity from the Lions being hard to maintain through the game.
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There really are some incredibly negative people in the AB fan base.
@Baron-Silas-Greenback I aren't seeing anyone being incredibly negative. I do see people expressing concerns over the possible outcome and AB shortcomings. Is that not allowed?
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@Marty said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
The Lions then went into Match 2 with the balance heavily towards fear of losing and the All Blacks, although they'll deny it forever, were carrying too much confidence from their previous effort. For Match 3 the All Blacks will be back in the fear zone in a big way and if they can channel that into focus and not jitters, they'll win.
Couldn't disagree more.
Match 2 I reckon we were playing our full 80 game. We don't often tear into things at the front end, so that we can finish over the top of teams in the last quarter. Until the Red Card on Saturday night, I had no fear that we would lose if we played close to our potential. On the other hand, I could see the intensity from the Lions being hard to maintain through the game.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback I aren't seeing anyone being incredibly negative. I do see people expressing concerns over the possible outcome and AB shortcomings. Is that not allowed?
@Crazy-Horse no
we don't have shortcomings, just cheating dirty opposition and incompetent refs, sheesh, where the hell you been all these years?@Marty yeah will be interesting, with it all on the line will the Lions go to a more conservative game plan and try and shut us down up front?
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- Joe Moody (27)
- Codie Taylor (18)
- Owen Franks (93)
- Brodie Retallick (63)
- Samuel Whitelock (87)
- Jerome Kaino (80)
- Sam Cane (43)
- Kieran Read (99) - Captain
- Aaron Smith (61)
- Beauden Barrett (52)
- Julian Savea (53)
- Ngani Laumape (1)
- Anton Lienert-Brown (12)
- Israel Dagg (64)
- Jordie Barrett (1)
Reserves:
16. Nathan Harris (7)
17. Wyatt Crockett (61)
18. Charlie Faumuina (49)
19. Scott Barrett (7)
20. Ardie Savea (15)
21. TJ Perenara (32)
22. Aaron Cruden (49)
23. Malakai Fekitoa (23)
Lions
- Mako Vunipola
- Jamie George
- Tadhg Furlong
- Maro Itoje
- Alun Wyn Jones
- Sam Warburton (captain)
- Sean O'Brien
- Taulupe Faletau
- Conor Murray
- Johnny Sexton
- Elliot Daly
- Owen Farrell
- Jonathan Davies
- Anthony Watson
- Liam Williams.
Resserves:
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17. Jack McGrath
18. Kyle Sinckler
19. Courtney Lawes
20. CJ Stander
21. Rhys Webb
22. Ben Te'o
23. Jack Nowell
(booboos original post follows)
Flush the dunny.
ABs will be forced into more changes in the backs anyway.
Forwards should stay the same. And forwards bench unlikely to change.
Backs well ...
We'll be without Bender and SBW, probably Naholo and maybe Crotty still.
If Crotty is close to better they'll bring him in, but assuming he's not, and assuming all foyr as above are out what's your plan?
For me, given hiw Laumape went I'm starting him at 12.
Can Rieko play 14 (With Jules to 11)? I'm thinking of leaving him at 11 though and moving Izzy back to 14, with JB to 15.
Would give serious consideration to JB kicking.
Would need to find a new benchie. Does Julianuary offer enough cover from the bench? Would mean Rieko or maybe JB covering midfield.
Next in line appears to be Goodhue. Dmac could have a claim at that given both are injury replacements. Or have I forgotten someone?
As for the Lions I'd suggest lawes to start ... but am not really fussed about them. They'll be strong regardless.
Once again it will be as absolute war. If it's 15 on 15 for me is a 50:50 prospect.
It was funny watching yesterday as usually you have this feeling that the ABs just need to get some possession and they'll start to roll over the top. Just didn't get that impression yesterday. Although that may have been due to the numerical disadvantage.
Poite is likely to be weird but less weird than Garces. Of the two am pleased that he and not the other is reffing the decider. I'd prefer just about anyone else but is the lesser of the two evils.
We'll be interesting. Lions playing good rugby to come back into that game and deserve massive credit. I still think Warren G is a massive dick and hope he loses.
And hope the good guys win and send the chippy Pom Islanders home with their tails between their legs.
@booboo said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I still think Warren G is a massive dick and hope he loses.
Is there the option for the Lions to win but Gatland to lose?
Maybe a French-style RWC2011 revolt when they ignored the lunatic Livremont?There are many things this tour that Gatland has done this tour that have annoyed me - his digs in the press conferences, not trying the Sexton-Farell partnership earlier in the tour, his drafting in of the "plastic Lions", in the last midweek game making 7 of the pack play 80 minutes to the point of exhaustion and demoralise them about not then having no hope of getting into the test team.
That said, he has seemed to create a good atmosphere among the players and has supported the early trips to schools etc. On a rugby front he has been willing to abandon his preferred approach of bulky-12 smashing the ball up for a 1m gain and somehow the team have become at times quite fluid.
If I had the choice I'd have Hansen as a coach - he has been more respectful of the opposition and the officials, he has set the tone for a good culture within the team and good results/style on the pitch. He has a good mix of analysis, pragmatism, proportion, humility and humour in what he says in the press conferences.
I hope that when/if the ABs lose on Saturday, Hansen is not the scapegoat.
The ABs have had significant disruption in both tests - it is normally the touring team who are running out of first-line players by the third test. Maybe the good fortune of the Lions with injuries has had more of an impact than has been suggested so far? -
If there is a comforting thing , returning to Eden Park for a decider , gives us a feeling of , been there done that , its business as usual
@kiwiinmelb Last time Eden Park was a decider was 2015 Bledisloe, in that ABs team were Carter, McCaw, Nonu, Conrad, Coles, Woodcock, Ben Smith, Nehe Milner Skudder.
Just slightly different to the team that will run out on Saturday!
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@kiwiinmelb Last time Eden Park was a decider was 2015 Bledisloe, in that ABs team were Carter, McCaw, Nonu, Conrad, Coles, Woodcock, Ben Smith, Nehe Milner Skudder.
Just slightly different to the team that will run out on Saturday!
@KiwiMurph but also followed a loss the week prior....
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@kiwiinmelb Last time Eden Park was a decider was 2015 Bledisloe, in that ABs team were Carter, McCaw, Nonu, Conrad, Coles, Woodcock, Ben Smith, Nehe Milner Skudder.
Just slightly different to the team that will run out on Saturday!
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@kiwiinmelb Last time Eden Park was a decider was 2015 Bledisloe, in that ABs team were Carter, McCaw, Nonu, Conrad, Coles, Woodcock, Ben Smith, Nehe Milner Skudder.
Just slightly different to the team that will run out on Saturday!
yeah I guess it was a different side ,
At least the coaching staff and a few of the players were still involved ,
And the supporters
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I see Treason is having a field day, couple of headlines I saw (obviously didn't click) apparently it was hubris to play our Super rugby rookies against the Lions and also our razzle has gone wrong....
and the little bit I can read without clicking on it...
OPINION: The Lions have so far seen absolutely nothing to fear, writes Mark Reason.
How is it that hacks such as him can get paid for their BS?
then there is this guy:
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I see Treason is having a field day, couple of headlines I saw (obviously didn't click) apparently it was hubris to play our Super rugby rookies against the Lions and also our razzle has gone wrong....
and the little bit I can read without clicking on it...
OPINION: The Lions have so far seen absolutely nothing to fear, writes Mark Reason.
How is it that hacks such as him can get paid for their BS?
then there is this guy:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I see Treason is having a field day, couple of headlines I saw (obviously didn't click) apparently it was hubris to play our Super rugby rookies against the Lions and also our razzle has gone wrong....
and the little bit I can read without clicking on it...
OPINION: The Lions have so far seen absolutely nothing to fear, writes Mark Reason.
How is it that hacks such as him can get paid for their BS?
then there is this guy:
You make the exact same post on here every time Reason writes an article.
Why don't you just not read the herald?... it's shit, everyone knows that
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I see Treason is having a field day, couple of headlines I saw (obviously didn't click) apparently it was hubris to play our Super rugby rookies against the Lions and also our razzle has gone wrong....
and the little bit I can read without clicking on it...
OPINION: The Lions have so far seen absolutely nothing to fear, writes Mark Reason.
How is it that hacks such as him can get paid for their BS?
then there is this guy:
You make the exact same post on here every time Reason writes an article.
Why don't you just not read the herald?... it's shit, everyone knows that
@SammyC he aint on the Herald, it is just the headlines pop up for me, and it aint exact, nor is it every time
Maybe you could ignore my posts?
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@Wairau said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I would have accepted a yellow. But it deserved a red, or failing that, citing and 2 week ban.
This is a black mark against the officials, and Garces in particular. The SOB swinging arm should have been dealt with on the field. A penalty at least, but he couldn't have had any complaints if a YC was issued.
I expect both coaches are going to have plenty to say to Poite so he will be under pressure to get his decisions right. The last thing anyone wants is a controversial call to decide the game and series.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Wairau said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I would have accepted a yellow. But it deserved a red, or failing that, citing and 2 week ban.
This is a black mark against the officials, and Garces in particular. The SOB swinging arm should have been dealt with on the field. A penalty at least, but he couldn't have had any complaints if a YC was issued.
I expect both coaches are going to have plenty to say to Poite so he will be under pressure to get his decisions right. The last thing anyone wants is a controversial call to decide the game and series.
Actually - depending on who comes out ahead as a result of said controversial call - it's not the last thing I want.
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@SammyC he aint on the Herald, it is just the headlines pop up for me, and it aint exact, nor is it every time
Maybe you could ignore my posts?
@taniwharugby Notice the headline changed to be more inflammatory the course of the day as the editors strove for more clicks. Expect "AB's conduct human sacrifice" by 9-ish.
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@SammyC he aint on the Herald, it is just the headlines pop up for me, and it aint exact, nor is it every time
Maybe you could ignore my posts?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@SammyC he aint on the Herald, it is just the headlines pop up for me, and it aint exact, nor is it every time
Maybe you could ignore my posts?
Most of us do.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@SammyC he aint on the Herald, it is just the headlines pop up for me, and it aint exact, nor is it every time
Maybe you could ignore my posts?
Most of us do.
@Catogrande obviously not
@Marty yeah they do that, and often the headline for you to click is different to the actual headline of the article.
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@Catogrande obviously not
@Marty yeah they do that, and often the headline for you to click is different to the actual headline of the article.
@taniwharugby I read-a da wun post
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I see Treason is having a field day, couple of headlines I saw (obviously didn't click) apparently it was hubris to play our Super rugby rookies against the Lions and also our razzle has gone wrong....
and the little bit I can read without clicking on it...
OPINION: The Lions have so far seen absolutely nothing to fear, writes Mark Reason.
How is it that hacks such as him can get paid for their BS?
then there is this guy:
You make the exact same post on here every time Reason writes an article.
Why don't you just not read the herald?... it's shit, everyone knows that
@SammyC said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I see Treason is having a field day, couple of headlines I saw (obviously didn't click) apparently it was hubris to play our Super rugby rookies against the Lions and also our razzle has gone wrong....
and the little bit I can read without clicking on it...
OPINION: The Lions have so far seen absolutely nothing to fear, writes Mark Reason.
How is it that hacks such as him can get paid for their BS?
then there is this guy:
You make the exact same post on here every time Reason writes an article.
Why don't you just not read the herald?... it's shit, everyone knows that
I'm gonna go and read it now
