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AB Test Team v France.

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  • westcoastieW westcoastie

    This season we have too often tried to play too much rugby without earning the right. When we had the McCaws, Nonus and Smiths we could do that because the right had been earned just by them being there but without them and without BBBR, BFA, Whitelock etc we can't expect to run around everyone.

    this.

    We have to earn the right.
    I'm a bit curious as to why the tactic to run everything from the #9 in the first BIL test was shelved so quickly because geezus that was effective.
    Maybe we didn't want to continue to show that. Maybe it was just by circumstance that we ran things that way.
    Until SBW' red card, we were up by a whole bunch in that 2nd test too.
    And in the third we blew enough chances to win by 21.

    All said & done, the trials and tribulations we're going through now is only a good thing. And it is Test rugby, I guess its not meant to be easy.

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    @westcoastie said in AB Test Team v France.:

    This season we have too often tried to play too much rugby without earning the right. When we had the McCaws, Nonus and Smiths we could do that because the right had been earned just by them being there but without them and without BBBR, BFA, Whitelock etc we can't expect to run around everyone.

    this.

    We have to earn the right.
    I'm a bit curious as to why the tactic to run everything from the #9 in the first BIL test was shelved so quickly because geezus that was effective.
    Maybe we didn't want to continue to show that. Maybe it was just by circumstance that we ran things that way.
    Until SBW' red card, we were up by a whole bunch in that 2nd test too.
    And in the third we blew enough chances to win by 21.

    All said & done, the trials and tribulations we're going through now is only a good thing. And it is Test rugby, I guess its not meant to be easy.

    Probably because Gatland analysed and correctly identified that is exactly what we were doing.
    However I agree completely, the hard direct runners coming off A Smith's shoulder worked a treat.
    I would return to that - mix it up of course, but it was bloody effective.

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      I think good fortune (as in we had very little) some well executed tactics (rush defence) and a few unfavourable calls conspired against us...

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      • C Crash

        @westcoastie said in AB Test Team v France.:

        This season we have too often tried to play too much rugby without earning the right. When we had the McCaws, Nonus and Smiths we could do that because the right had been earned just by them being there but without them and without BBBR, BFA, Whitelock etc we can't expect to run around everyone.

        this.

        We have to earn the right.
        I'm a bit curious as to why the tactic to run everything from the #9 in the first BIL test was shelved so quickly because geezus that was effective.
        Maybe we didn't want to continue to show that. Maybe it was just by circumstance that we ran things that way.
        Until SBW' red card, we were up by a whole bunch in that 2nd test too.
        And in the third we blew enough chances to win by 21.

        All said & done, the trials and tribulations we're going through now is only a good thing. And it is Test rugby, I guess its not meant to be easy.

        Probably because Gatland analysed and correctly identified that is exactly what we were doing.
        However I agree completely, the hard direct runners coming off A Smith's shoulder worked a treat.
        I would return to that - mix it up of course, but it was bloody effective.

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        @crash Analysing and Identifying It is different to Negating It and It's effectiveness.

        Its just that we've shelved that so completely its all a bit curious. The AB's can be so goddam effective almost when we choose to be. I really hope we have a statement game on this tour, and I really want that to be vs Wales. Solid wins vs France & Scotland, then smacking the shit outta the Welsh.

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          I'm not surprised.

          http://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/927793876722532352

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          • StargazerS Stargazer

            I'm not surprised.

            http://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/927793876722532352

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            @stargazer who’s injured?

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            • GunnerG Gunner

              @stargazer who’s injured?

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              @gunner Jerome? although he probably wasnt in line to start??

              Must be all that extra workload on him this year...

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                Luke Whitelock ?

                Fern meltdown in t minus 10.....9.....8......

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                • GunnerG Gunner

                  @stargazer who’s injured?

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                  @gunner I think Kaino. May have been the reason why Cane replaced him and not Ardie in the match?

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                    That's good.

                    He actually deserves it this time. Undoubtedly the second best Number 8 in the country at the moment.

                    Well done him.

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                      It's indeed for Kaino. Knee injury.

                      http://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/rugby/luke-whitelock-gets-call-up-into-all-blacks-camp-after-jerome-kaino-injures-knee

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                        Whitelock may get the midweek French game if JK is broken.

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                        • BovidaeB Bovidae

                          Whitelock may get the midweek French game if JK is broken.

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                          @bovidae said in AB Test Team v France.:

                          Whitelock may get the midweek French game if JK is broken.

                          What does Ioane A have to do to get a run? Or is the fact he's with the Maori make it too difficult logistically?

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                          • TeWaioT TeWaio

                            @bovidae said in AB Test Team v France.:

                            Whitelock may get the midweek French game if JK is broken.

                            What does Ioane A have to do to get a run? Or is the fact he's with the Maori make it too difficult logistically?

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                            @tewaio

                            The Maori play the French Baabaas the day before the AB test so I assume it's about workload.

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                              It is interesting. Hard not to believe that ABs would have had first dibs. That said, we're likely talking French v NZ XVs, so not hugely significant. Expect Fifita to start that game, so they may have felt that Akira is too samey and Lucky Luke offers better balance.
                              Had looked at teams and hard to discern whether French XV will be much tougher oppo than French Barbers.

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                                Luke Whitelock ?

                                Fern meltdown in t minus 10.....9.....8......

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                                @mn5 said in AB Test Team v France.:

                                Luke Whitelock ?

                                Fern meltdown in t minus 10.....9.....8......

                                It's incredibly difficult to shake a reputation huh?

                                Whitelock L has looked the goods the last couple of years.

                                I might have gone with Akira ... but have no issue with Luke.

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                                  Whitelock was completely outplayed by Ioane a few weeks ago in Mitre 10 Cup. His selection is a joke.

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                                    It is interesting. Hard not to believe that ABs would have had first dibs. That said, we're likely talking French v NZ XVs, so not hugely significant. Expect Fifita to start that game, so they may have felt that Akira is too samey and Lucky Luke offers better balance.
                                    Had looked at teams and hard to discern whether French XV will be much tougher oppo than French Barbers.

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                                    @pakman said in AB Test Team v France.:

                                    It is interesting. Hard not to believe that ABs would have had first dibs. That said, we're likely talking French v NZ XVs, so not hugely significant. Expect Fifita to start that game, so they may have felt that Akira is too samey and Lucky Luke offers better balance.
                                    Had looked at teams and hard to discern whether French XV will be much tougher oppo than French Barbers.

                                    There's another side to this as well. Akira is eligible for both the ABs and Māori ABs. Luke Whitelock, on the other hand, isn't Māori, so can't play for the Māori ABs. Also, he's only in the squad as injury cover. No guarantees he'll actually play.

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                                    • TimT Tim

                                      Whitelock was completely outplayed by Ioane a few weeks ago in Mitre 10 Cup. His selection is a joke.

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                                      @tim said in AB Test Team v France.:

                                      Whitelock was completely outplayed by Ioane a few weeks ago in Mitre 10 Cup. His selection is a joke.

                                      Not a highlanders fan huh? If it’s not Squire it’s whitelock who is pure shite.

                                      Might have gone with Akira myself but whitelock is a better play than when first called up.

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                                        @tim said in AB Test Team v France.:

                                        Whitelock was completely outplayed by Ioane a few weeks ago in Mitre 10 Cup. His selection is a joke.

                                        Not a highlanders fan huh? If it’s not Squire it’s whitelock who is pure shite.

                                        Might have gone with Akira myself but whitelock is a better play than when first called up.

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                                        @billy-tell

                                        Yes it’s a tough crowd here, did not watch much Mitre 10 but Whitelock was outstanding in Super Rubgy this year, one of Highlanders best. Much tighter than any of our rangeier number 8 s who Hansen seems to prefer. Would walk into the test team in any other country.

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                                          Now Squire in doubt?!

                                          http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/98660670/ill-liam-squire-in-doubt-rieko-ioane-improves-as-all-blacks-prepare-for-france

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