Exodus 2018
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@nepia said in Exodus 2018:
@hooroo said in Exodus 2018:
@nepia said in Exodus 2018:
@hooroo said in Exodus 2018:
@nepia said in Exodus 2018:
@jauzy019 said in Exodus 2018:
Jerome Kaino to Toulon should be official in the coming hours/days.
I know we shouldn't shoot the messenger, but it's hard not to be pissed with you jauzy!
Also @Hooroo, why on earth would you like that?
Because he deserves the golden egg retirement package. He was a colossas as an AB but is surplus to requirements now. A 'nice to have' as back up but not needed for the future.
I'm stoked for him
I thought he basically had a decent break last year which would see him well for the next year or so. I will be pissed if I see him carving up for Toulon and our new 6s don't come up to standard.
They are already up to standard. Our blindsides had a great season.
Our blindsides were fine, but I don't think any of them had a 'great' season (obviously including Kaino).
I thought they did. They were better than what Kaino is currently.
I don't think we should get all DC syndrome here expecting an exact replacement after a legend retires. They play slightly differently than Kaino did but are a much better now for the AB's now than Kaino currently is.
@hooroo I don't agree with you (his form has always been better than some pundits claim), but as ML4 says, happy for JK to collect his coin (he may need if for his marriage issues).
I've always been a fan of Squire and he was good in parts but he's not the complete package. Maybe 2018 is the year of:
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@hooroo I don't agree with you (his form has always been better than some pundits claim), but as ML4 says, happy for JK to collect his coin (he may need if for his marriage issues).
I've always been a fan of Squire and he was good in parts but he's not the complete package. Maybe 2018 is the year of:
Well, I'm an idiot who can't embed a pic properly!Take that interweb, I've got you licked.@nepia said in Exodus 2018:
@hooroo I don't agree with you (his form has always been better than some pundits claim), but as ML4 says, happy for JK to collect his coin (he may need if for his marriage issues).
I've always been a fan of Squire and he was good in parts but he's not the complete package. Maybe 2018 is the year of:
Well, I'm an idiot who can't embed a pic properly!Take that interweb, I've got you licked.Asian anime shit is weird.
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@nepia said in Exodus 2018:
@jauzy019 said in Exodus 2018:
Jerome Kaino to Toulon should be official in the coming hours/days.
I know we shouldn't shoot the messenger, but it's hard not to be pissed with you jauzy!
Also @Hooroo, why on earth would you like that?
Because he deserves the golden egg retirement package. He was a colossas as an AB but is surplus to requirements now. A 'nice to have' as back up but not needed for the future.
I'm stoked for him
@hooroo said in Exodus 2018:
@nepia said in Exodus 2018:
@jauzy019 said in Exodus 2018:
Jerome Kaino to Toulon should be official in the coming hours/days.
I know we shouldn't shoot the messenger, but it's hard not to be pissed with you jauzy!
Also @Hooroo, why on earth would you like that?
Because he deserves the golden egg retirement package. He was a colossas as an AB but is surplus to requirements now. A 'nice to have' as back up but not needed for the future.
I'm stoked for him
Plus lets be honest his form is on the slide now, we are all happy for him to cash in for the years he has left playing.
Personal favourite moment was during 2011 WC Final some Frenchie goes for the line from a few meters out, Kaino the last defender just beast him back 10 yards after stopping him dead. You can't teach that just pure unadulterated strength!
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It would be sad if 2017 was the year JK went out on.
I think him not having any form is a bit of a myth.
He got subbed at 45mins in the first Lions test after playing well then got taken off after SBW had his brain explosion, which i think was a huge mistake in the context of that game and the series. He was pretty unlucky to cop a yellow in the third test and then the affair thing happened and he was given time off but then seemed to get a bit of a cold shoulder from the coaches for the rest of the year even though there were times he should have been in the 23. So really he hardly played, mainly due to non form related issues.Wouldn't be surprised to see him go but i would rather he stayed because outside Read and Cane our loosies are pretty green.
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JK had some superlative moments against Lions, despite missing a lot of minutes for various reasons. Great servant of NZ rugby.
Highlights a challenge for Hansen et al: you want to play best squad, but that does nothing for the job security of number two and, more particular, three, which leaves them vulnerable to poaching once they've reached their mid-twenties.
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Toulon have signed Liam Messam on a 2-year deal, they're still in talks with Jerome Kaino : https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/top-14/2017-2018/toulon-engage-messam-pour-deux-ans_sto6485028/story.shtml
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Toulon have signed Liam Messam on a 2-year deal, they're still in talks with Jerome Kaino : https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/top-14/2017-2018/toulon-engage-messam-pour-deux-ans_sto6485028/story.shtml
@jauzy019 said in Exodus 2018:
Toulon have signed Liam Messam on a 2-year deal, they're still in talks with Jerome Kaino : https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/top-14/2017-2018/toulon-engage-messam-pour-deux-ans_sto6485028/story.shtml
That’s not good. Boudjellal still trying to buy his way to the top.
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@jauzy019 said in Exodus 2018:
Toulon have signed Liam Messam on a 2-year deal, they're still in talks with Jerome Kaino : https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/top-14/2017-2018/toulon-engage-messam-pour-deux-ans_sto6485028/story.shtml
That’s not good. Boudjellal still trying to buy his way to the top.
@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@jauzy019 said in Exodus 2018:
Toulon have signed Liam Messam on a 2-year deal, they're still in talks with Jerome Kaino : https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/top-14/2017-2018/toulon-engage-messam-pour-deux-ans_sto6485028/story.shtml
That’s not good. Boudjellal still trying to buy his way to the top.
Messam is past it. Dud signing imo.
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@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@jauzy019 said in Exodus 2018:
Toulon have signed Liam Messam on a 2-year deal, they're still in talks with Jerome Kaino : https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/top-14/2017-2018/toulon-engage-messam-pour-deux-ans_sto6485028/story.shtml
That’s not good. Boudjellal still trying to buy his way to the top.
Messam is past it. Dud signing imo.
@billy-tell said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@jauzy019 said in Exodus 2018:
Toulon have signed Liam Messam on a 2-year deal, they're still in talks with Jerome Kaino : https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/top-14/2017-2018/toulon-engage-messam-pour-deux-ans_sto6485028/story.shtml
That’s not good. Boudjellal still trying to buy his way to the top.
Messam is past it. Dud signing imo.
wash your mouth!
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@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@jauzy019 said in Exodus 2018:
Toulon have signed Liam Messam on a 2-year deal, they're still in talks with Jerome Kaino : https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/top-14/2017-2018/toulon-engage-messam-pour-deux-ans_sto6485028/story.shtml
That’s not good. Boudjellal still trying to buy his way to the top.
Messam is past it. Dud signing imo.
@billy-tell said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@jauzy019 said in Exodus 2018:
Toulon have signed Liam Messam on a 2-year deal, they're still in talks with Jerome Kaino : https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/top-14/2017-2018/toulon-engage-messam-pour-deux-ans_sto6485028/story.shtml
That’s not good. Boudjellal still trying to buy his way to the top.
Messam is past it. Dud signing imo.
Past it in Super Rugby or ABs does not equal past it in France. FFS Joe Rok still plays.
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@billy-tell said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@jauzy019 said in Exodus 2018:
Toulon have signed Liam Messam on a 2-year deal, they're still in talks with Jerome Kaino : https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/top-14/2017-2018/toulon-engage-messam-pour-deux-ans_sto6485028/story.shtml
That’s not good. Boudjellal still trying to buy his way to the top.
Messam is past it. Dud signing imo.
Past it in Super Rugby or ABs does not equal past it in France. FFS Joe Rok still plays.
@crucial said in Exodus 2018:
@billy-tell said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@jauzy019 said in Exodus 2018:
Toulon have signed Liam Messam on a 2-year deal, they're still in talks with Jerome Kaino : https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/top-14/2017-2018/toulon-engage-messam-pour-deux-ans_sto6485028/story.shtml
That’s not good. Boudjellal still trying to buy his way to the top.
Messam is past it. Dud signing imo.
Past it in Super Rugby or ABs does not equal past it in France. FFS Joe Rok still plays.
Mostly at centre. I’ve watched him live recently, still has a wicked step but no pace.
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Shame to see Kaino go, but this is way it is. you get older, you get slower and the younger guy comes through.
The thing we will most about him though is presence. He's an intimidator, just by being on the pitch.
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Messam did a lot of good for NZ rugby. A good team man. But my lasting memory of him will always be going ahead of people to grab a medal at the world cup he didn't play in.
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