Exodus 2018
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@billy-tell said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@jauzy019 said in Exodus 2018:
Toulon have signed Liam Messam on a 2-year deal, they're still in talks with Jerome Kaino : https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/top-14/2017-2018/toulon-engage-messam-pour-deux-ans_sto6485028/story.shtml
That’s not good. Boudjellal still trying to buy his way to the top.
Messam is past it. Dud signing imo.
Past it in Super Rugby or ABs does not equal past it in France. FFS Joe Rok still plays.
@crucial said in Exodus 2018:
@billy-tell said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@jauzy019 said in Exodus 2018:
Toulon have signed Liam Messam on a 2-year deal, they're still in talks with Jerome Kaino : https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/top-14/2017-2018/toulon-engage-messam-pour-deux-ans_sto6485028/story.shtml
That’s not good. Boudjellal still trying to buy his way to the top.
Messam is past it. Dud signing imo.
Past it in Super Rugby or ABs does not equal past it in France. FFS Joe Rok still plays.
Mostly at centre. I’ve watched him live recently, still has a wicked step but no pace.
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Messam did a lot of good for NZ rugby. A good team man. But my lasting memory of him will always be going ahead of people to grab a medal at the world cup he didn't play in.
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@crucial said in Exodus 2018:
@billy-tell said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@jauzy019 said in Exodus 2018:
Toulon have signed Liam Messam on a 2-year deal, they're still in talks with Jerome Kaino : https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/top-14/2017-2018/toulon-engage-messam-pour-deux-ans_sto6485028/story.shtml
That’s not good. Boudjellal still trying to buy his way to the top.
Messam is past it. Dud signing imo.
Past it in Super Rugby or ABs does not equal past it in France. FFS Joe Rok still plays.
Mostly at centre. I’ve watched him live recently, still has a wicked step but no pace.
@billy-tell said in Exodus 2018:
@crucial said in Exodus 2018:
@billy-tell said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@jauzy019 said in Exodus 2018:
Toulon have signed Liam Messam on a 2-year deal, they're still in talks with Jerome Kaino : https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/top-14/2017-2018/toulon-engage-messam-pour-deux-ans_sto6485028/story.shtml
That’s not good. Boudjellal still trying to buy his way to the top.
Messam is past it. Dud signing imo.
Past it in Super Rugby or ABs does not equal past it in France. FFS Joe Rok still plays.
Mostly at centre. I’ve watched him live recently, still has a wicked step but no pace.
Even with no pace he'd be quicker than most I bet.
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Messam did a lot of good for NZ rugby. A good team man. But my lasting memory of him will always be going ahead of people to grab a medal at the world cup he didn't play in.
@raznomore said in Exodus 2018:
Messam did a lot of good for NZ rugby. A good team man. But my lasting memory of him will always be going ahead of people to grab a medal at the world cup he didn't play in.
Mine is his chat with Cruden just before taking that 2nd kick to beat Ireland in 2012? to secure the perfect season. Such a cool moment, no idea what he said just looked like some much needed support at the most critical of times
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I thought rumours of his and Taimanivalu's departure had been about for a while, Taufuas is new though
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I thought rumours of his and Taimanivalu's departure had been about for a while, Taufuas is new though
@taniwharugby said in Exodus 2018:
I thought rumours of his and Taimanivalu's departure had been about for a while, Taufuas is new though
Taufua can earn way more in Europe and has zero likelihood of decent money in NZ. He gave it a good shot but obviously isn't what the selectors are after.
Charlie will be a loss to depth but he is also in a big logjam with little opportunity to get a place.You can't blame these guys when their value in NZ isn't matched by their ability on a world scale. Only the very very best get decent coin in NZ. Everyone else is hanging onto a black jersey dream.
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I thought rumours of his and Taimanivalu's departure had been about for a while, Taufuas is new though
@taniwharugby Yes, the rumours about Ngatai already started in December, and Tamanivalu's possible move was published by Midol about a month ago.
Not surprising if Taufua leaves; the only reason for being snubbed by the ABs seems to be his lack of height and there's nothing he can do about that. It's no secret I rate the guy and IMO they should at least have called him into camp to have a closer look at him (like they've done with others). He reportedly was close to selection in 2016 and I think he'd be a good back-up for Read at 8. I hope the rumours are wrong, he only turns 26 tomorrow (29 Jan), but you can't blame him for looking for greener pastures elsewhere and possibly playing for Samoa.
Ngatai leaving is a pity, but with his history of head injuries he should go for the coin now, or he may never been able to (like Broadhurst).
Tamanivalu is only a few injuries away from an AB call-up; so not sure what to think. Only 25 years old, but he may chose to go for the same reasons as Sopoaga.
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Taufua: too short, can take wrong option especially choosing contact. They love a man who takes contact in Europe, especially the French clubs. Good luck he gave it a decent shot here.
Ngatai: I would like him to sign a 1 year extension with nz and see what happens. If he’s still going nowhere than ok overseas.
Tamanivula: was a revelation for the crusaders but he has a limited international future. Just better wing options and he’s not an international centre. Will coin it in France and make an impact.
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Without being racist there is a bit of a trend that the majority of players heading prematurely off overseas have Pacific roots. Providing for the family and all that.
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Without being racist there is a bit of a trend that the majority of players heading prematurely off overseas have Pacific roots. Providing for the family and all that.
@billy-tell said in Exodus 2018:
Without being racist there is a bit of a trend that the majority of players heading prematurely off overseas have Pacific roots. Providing for the family and all that.
And heading to France in the main, with a few to England. Unaffordable, unsuitable or preference for home-grown in the other countries?
