Exodus 2018
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Just let Sheilds go already..just in terms of a young guy coming through,just wanna get some thoughts on Shannon Frizell who is with the Highlanders quite a unit at 6’5 and 108kgs I was very impressed with this guy playing for Ta$man last year and he looked extra good against the Brumbies last weekend..maybe one for the future..?
@steven-harris looks a real talent. Tomorrow night he is up against another serious young talent in Papalii. That matchup should be fun to watch.
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@steven-harris looks a real talent. Tomorrow night he is up against another serious young talent in Papalii. That matchup should be fun to watch.
@kiwimurph great to see so many good young guys coming through,do you rate sheilds..?
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Just let Sheilds go already..just in terms of a young guy coming through,just wanna get some thoughts on Shannon Frizell who is with the Highlanders quite a unit at 6’5 and 108kgs I was very impressed with this guy playing for Ta$man last year and he looked extra good against the Brumbies last weekend..maybe one for the future..?
@steven-harris From a Mako fan perspective, he's very interesting. Certainly got the physique and physicality to go a long way. My main concern at Super level and beyond is his mobility - but, as you say, he seemed to go well against the Brumbies and I was watching for him.
Similar dimensions to Kaino so he's worth further watching if he can demonstrate similar speed and explosiveness.
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@steven-harris From a Mako fan perspective, he's very interesting. Certainly got the physique and physicality to go a long way. My main concern at Super level and beyond is his mobility - but, as you say, he seemed to go well against the Brumbies and I was watching for him.
Similar dimensions to Kaino so he's worth further watching if he can demonstrate similar speed and explosiveness.
@chris-b Ta$man does an awesome job bringing through local players and punches well above their weight,glad from a Taniwha perspective we are not playing you guys.. especially now that Solomon Alaimalo who has signed with the Mako and will be terrorising opposition backlines..!
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@chris-b Ta$man does an awesome job bringing through local players and punches well above their weight,glad from a Taniwha perspective we are not playing you guys.. especially now that Solomon Alaimalo who has signed with the Mako and will be terrorising opposition backlines..!
@steven-harris Alaimalo is looking like an excellent signing - as long as he doesn't get snapped up by the ABs!
Trying to get rid of Ta$man and Northland was Steve Tew's greatest failure!
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@steven-harris Alaimalo is looking like an excellent signing - as long as he doesn't get snapped up by the ABs!
Trying to get rid of Ta$man and Northland was Steve Tew's greatest failure!
@chris-b Alaimalo like James Lowes has a very big kick,only difference being a right footer Northland were very poor in terms of recognising his ability with the boot especially when exiting the red zone..your right about being a chance in the ABs,in my opinion he’s got more of a skill set than Ben Lam and can play wing or fullback equally well..
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@chris-b Alaimalo like James Lowes has a very big kick,only difference being a right footer Northland were very poor in terms of recognising his ability with the boot especially when exiting the red zone..your right about being a chance in the ABs,in my opinion he’s got more of a skill set than Ben Lam and can play wing or fullback equally well..
@steven-harris ya reckon? Only thing I can see he has over Lam is age. Lam is way ahead in decision making and fairly ahead in most other departments.
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If Shields plays for England, I'll swallow my knob. Eddie's too good a coach to select a bloke with toasters for hands.
@antipodean said in Exodus 2018:
If Shields plays for England, I'll swallow my knob. Eddie's too good a coach to select a bloke with toasters for hands.
FERBS
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@antipodean said in Exodus 2018:
If Shields plays for England, I'll swallow my knob. Eddie's too good a coach to select a bloke with toasters for hands.
FERBS
I thought at the time that was a reckless post by @antipodean I hope he’s getting the seasoning ready
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I thought at the time that was a reckless post by @antipodean I hope he’s getting the seasoning ready
@catogrande said in Exodus 2018:
I thought at the time that was a reckless post by @antipodean I hope he’s getting the seasoning ready
The fern never forgets
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I thought at the time that was a reckless post by @antipodean I hope he’s getting the seasoning ready
@catogrande said in Exodus 2018:
I thought at the time that was a reckless post by @antipodean I hope he’s getting the seasoning ready
He doesn't need seasoning. He has already assessed the situation and believes he can swallow it whole.
Perhaps just a glass of water at the ready in case he chokes. -
As far as I know that's not true, all unions are required to release eligible players for international duties during the windows. It doesn't matter that he's playing in France, NZ or Outer Mongolia - you have to be released. Shields is eligible for both the UK and NZ under World Rugby rules, so if wither of those calls him up - and he wants to go- his club has to release him. Canes and NZRU have to. That's World Rugby rules which trump any clause he's signed in his contract. Compensation is not required by WR rules and the NZRU would be in breach of WR regs if they tried to stop him, same as if they played Owen Farrell in an international.
@machpants said in Exodus 2018:
As far as I know that's not true, all unions are required to release eligible players for international duties during the windows. It doesn't matter that he's playing in France, NZ or Outer Mongolia - you have to be released. Shields is eligible for both the UK and NZ under World Rugby rules, so if wither of those calls him up - and he wants to go- his club has to release him. Canes and NZRU have to. That's World Rugby rules which trump any clause he's signed in his contract. Compensation is not required by WR rules and the NZRU would be in breach of WR regs if they tried to stop him, same as if they played Owen Farrell in an international.
As I read it, his contract with the NZRU required no clause releasing him for international duties as he was expected to be under their control (NZ Teams). By declaring availability for England he is walking away from that contract and NZ Rugby are under no obligation to continue to employ him further. Hurricanes may find themselves with one less player.
NZR may not be able to stop him playing for England but they can say 'you signed a contract committing yourself to NZ', going to play for England makes that contract null and void. -
@catogrande said in Exodus 2018:
I thought at the time that was a reckless post by @antipodean I hope he’s getting the seasoning ready
He doesn't need seasoning. He has already assessed the situation and believes he can swallow it whole.
Perhaps just a glass of water at the ready in case he chokes.@crucial said in Exodus 2018:
@catogrande said in Exodus 2018:
I thought at the time that was a reckless post by @antipodean I hope he’s getting the seasoning ready
He doesn't need seasoning. He has already assessed the situation and believes he can swallow it whole.
Perhaps just a glass of water at the ready in case he chokes.From what I’ve heard the last bit is unlikely.
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I thought at the time that was a reckless post by @antipodean I hope he’s getting the seasoning ready
@catogrande said in Exodus 2018:
I thought at the time that was a reckless post by @antipodean I hope he’s getting the seasoning ready
I'm intrigued about the logistics.
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@machpants said in Exodus 2018:
As far as I know that's not true, all unions are required to release eligible players for international duties during the windows. It doesn't matter that he's playing in France, NZ or Outer Mongolia - you have to be released. Shields is eligible for both the UK and NZ under World Rugby rules, so if wither of those calls him up - and he wants to go- his club has to release him. Canes and NZRU have to. That's World Rugby rules which trump any clause he's signed in his contract. Compensation is not required by WR rules and the NZRU would be in breach of WR regs if they tried to stop him, same as if they played Owen Farrell in an international.
As I read it, his contract with the NZRU required no clause releasing him for international duties as he was expected to be under their control (NZ Teams). By declaring availability for England he is walking away from that contract and NZ Rugby are under no obligation to continue to employ him further. Hurricanes may find themselves with one less player.
NZR may not be able to stop him playing for England but they can say 'you signed a contract committing yourself to NZ', going to play for England makes that contract null and void.@crucial said in Exodus 2018:
@machpants said in Exodus 2018:
As far as I know that's not true, all unions are required to release eligible players for international duties during the windows. It doesn't matter that he's playing in France, NZ or Outer Mongolia - you have to be released. Shields is eligible for both the UK and NZ under World Rugby rules, so if wither of those calls him up - and he wants to go- his club has to release him. Canes and NZRU have to. That's World Rugby rules which trump any clause he's signed in his contract. Compensation is not required by WR rules and the NZRU would be in breach of WR regs if they tried to stop him, same as if they played Owen Farrell in an international.
As I read it, his contract with the NZRU required no clause releasing him for international duties as he was expected to be under their control (NZ Teams). By declaring availability for England he is walking away from that contract and NZ Rugby are under no obligation to continue to employ him further. Hurricanes may find themselves with one less player.
NZR may not be able to stop him playing for England but they can say 'you signed a contract committing yourself to NZ', going to play for England makes that contract null and void.That's where I was going @Crucial. Shields will be in breach of contract. NZR could either say "You're fired!" or decide to pay him fuck all as his value to NZR would suddenly be significantly reduced.
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But the contract would be illegal under World Rugby rules, that's the problem. Not under employment law, I have no idea about that, but under WR law. Contacts are only binding if they are legal, I don't think that clause is legal, at all. The NZRU is breaking WR rules by putting a clause in a contract that forbids a player being released for an international team he is qualified for. If push came to shove NZRU would have to back down, and that is why I don't think they'll test it, because they use that clause to keep dual nationals that haven't been captured inside SR squads. And there are a lot of SR players in that boat for the Pacific Islands.
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@catogrande said in Exodus 2018:
I thought at the time that was a reckless post by @antipodean I hope he’s getting the seasoning ready
I'm intrigued about the logistics.
@bones said in Exodus 2018:
@catogrande said in Exodus 2018:
I thought at the time that was a reckless post by @antipodean I hope he’s getting the seasoning ready
I'm intrigued about the logistics.
Like whether he plans to eat it on or off the bone?
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But the contract would be illegal under World Rugby rules, that's the problem. Not under employment law, I have no idea about that, but under WR law. Contacts are only binding if they are legal, I don't think that clause is legal, at all. The NZRU is breaking WR rules by putting a clause in a contract that forbids a player being released for an international team he is qualified for. If push came to shove NZRU would have to back down, and that is why I don't think they'll test it, because they use that clause to keep dual nationals that haven't been captured inside SR squads. And there are a lot of SR players in that boat for the Pacific Islands.
@machpants said in Exodus 2018:
But the contract would be illegal under World Rugby rules, that's the problem.
Nope. Check the Regs
*Player availability in circumstances of dual eligibility
9.38 When a Union enters into a written agreement with a Player that contemplates the Player representing that Union at senior or next Senior Fifteen-A-Side National Representative Team level (whether at fifteen-aside or seven-a-side Rugby), the Union may seek the Player’s written agreement that the Player shall not be available for selection, attendance and/or appearance in a National Representative Team or National Squad of another Union during the term of that written agreement, including any extension thereof, provided that, prior to the execution of any such written agreement, the following conditions were satisfied:
(a) The Player had reached the age of majority. For the purposes of the Regulation(s), the age of majority shall be deemed to be acquired by a Player on his 18th birthday.
(b) Pursuant to Regulation 8, the Player was eligible to represent the senior or next senior National Representative Team of the Union with which he has entered into the written agreement and at least one other Union, (i.e., as a minimum requirement the Player had dual Union eligibility status).
(c) The Player had not represented the senior or next senior National Representative Team of any Union in any of the Matches or Tours specified in Regulation 8.3.
(d) As evidenced by completion of the standard form certification set out in Attachment 1, the Player received independent legal advice on the terms of the written agreement. In particular, the fact that in signing the written agreement the Player was acknowledging and accepting that during the course of the written agreement, and any extension thereof, he was foregoing his right to represent the senior or next senior National Representative Team of any other Union for which he may be eligible.
If, subject to compliance with the conditions set out in this Regulation 9.38, a Player’s written agreement so provides, then that Player shall not be available for selection, attendance and/or appearance in a National Representative Team or National Squad of another Union during the term of the written agreement, or any extension thereof and during such period the Union with whom the Player is contracted shall have no obligation to release the Player to another Union.*
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Just let Sheilds go already..just in terms of a young guy coming through,just wanna get some thoughts on Shannon Frizell who is with the Highlanders quite a unit at 6’5 and 108kgs I was very impressed with this guy playing for Ta$man last year and he looked extra good against the Brumbies last weekend..maybe one for the future..?
