Exodus 2018
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Saw on Zac Guildford insta he was playing in Hamilton. He still going to France ?
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Saw on Zac Guildford insta he was playing in Hamilton. He still going to France ?
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The signing was announced in March so you would have expected him to be playing there now.
Who was he playing for? Last season he played for Ham OB but wasn't on their team list for today's game.
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Finally some one in the media has read the regs they keep talking about, maybe the English will too, some time
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12041482
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Re: the Shields poach. It will be quite interesting either way it goes.
My hunch is Shields (and Wasps) were very happy to have an England eligible player and all that it means for RFU funding incentives for the club and the higher salary for Shields himself.
I'm pretty sure Shields would have been very comfortable with the possibilty of the 22K England match payment if that ever came about. I reckon he's as surprised as most that this possibilty has comeabout before he has even set foot over there and played a game against any of his direct rivals for his position.
I really think Eddie Jones has awful man-management abilities.
He's:
- embarassing Shields by talk of parachuting him in so early above encumbents and fringe payers.
- Creating a potential rift between Shields and his future teammates competing for his position.
- He's alienated those same fringe players from trusting in the coaching staff.
- He's embarassing his CEO, who last year went public about getting IRB help to stop celtic countries poaching RFU academey 'products' etc
- He's potentially embarassing his CEO even further if it all comes to nought if the NZRU a. dig their heals in and b. the section 9.38 actually holds water. Public embrassment and political capital expended.
Sit back, grab some popcorn, and watch this stuff implode. All because Eddie can't judge the difference in fallout between picking Shields in June rather than waiting until November.
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A reminder on the RFUs position on other countries selecting players that have come through their academy setups. From October last year, the same time Eddie was tapping up Brad ....:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/england-want-to-tackle-poaching-of-their-academy-products-cbvrbvj5hthe RFU invests more than £4 million a year in the development of up-and-coming players at the 14 club academies, a figure that is matched by the clubs themselves. The RFU is now seeking to better protect its investment.
An RFU spokesman said: “We are aware that other nations actively scout English players in our academies. We are looking carefully at this, along with the clubs who invest in developing these players for the good of English rugby, and we will be discussing this with World Rugby.”
At present, there is a financial compensation scheme in place for such circumstances, but the numbers are so small that they make no impact. If a player is developed in the English academy system and then plays for another nation, then the compensation package is £5,000 per year in development.
The development years are classified as the seven years between the ages of 17 and 23, so the maximum compensation any one nation would be obliged to pay would be £35,000. This is hardly a figure to influence the traffic of international players.
Shields:
Petone Rugby Club bio in 2009: Bradley Shields joins us directly from Taita College where he was an outstanding all round sportsman having represented NZ at age grade Softball as well he has also been a member of several New Zealand age grade squads and is a member of the Wellington Academy
Wikipedia: Shields was a New Zealand Under-17 representative in 2008 before being a member of the New Zealand Under-20 side which won the 2011 IRB Junior World Championship in Italy, scoring 1 try in 5 matches at the tournament. He has been named in All Blacks training squads in 2012 and 2016, but has not gone on to make his senior international debut
So, the RFU will be wiring the NZRU 35k pounds ($68k NZD)?
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A reminder on the RFUs position on other countries selecting players that have come through their academy setups. From October last year, the same time Eddie was tapping up Brad ....:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/england-want-to-tackle-poaching-of-their-academy-products-cbvrbvj5hthe RFU invests more than £4 million a year in the development of up-and-coming players at the 14 club academies, a figure that is matched by the clubs themselves. The RFU is now seeking to better protect its investment.
An RFU spokesman said: “We are aware that other nations actively scout English players in our academies. We are looking carefully at this, along with the clubs who invest in developing these players for the good of English rugby, and we will be discussing this with World Rugby.”
At present, there is a financial compensation scheme in place for such circumstances, but the numbers are so small that they make no impact. If a player is developed in the English academy system and then plays for another nation, then the compensation package is £5,000 per year in development.
The development years are classified as the seven years between the ages of 17 and 23, so the maximum compensation any one nation would be obliged to pay would be £35,000. This is hardly a figure to influence the traffic of international players.
Shields:
Petone Rugby Club bio in 2009: Bradley Shields joins us directly from Taita College where he was an outstanding all round sportsman having represented NZ at age grade Softball as well he has also been a member of several New Zealand age grade squads and is a member of the Wellington Academy
Wikipedia: Shields was a New Zealand Under-17 representative in 2008 before being a member of the New Zealand Under-20 side which won the 2011 IRB Junior World Championship in Italy, scoring 1 try in 5 matches at the tournament. He has been named in All Blacks training squads in 2012 and 2016, but has not gone on to make his senior international debut
So, the RFU will be wiring the NZRU 35k pounds ($68k NZD)?
@rapido yeah pretty sure they are honourable blokes!
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A reminder on the RFUs position on other countries selecting players that have come through their academy setups. From October last year, the same time Eddie was tapping up Brad ....:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/england-want-to-tackle-poaching-of-their-academy-products-cbvrbvj5hthe RFU invests more than £4 million a year in the development of up-and-coming players at the 14 club academies, a figure that is matched by the clubs themselves. The RFU is now seeking to better protect its investment.
An RFU spokesman said: “We are aware that other nations actively scout English players in our academies. We are looking carefully at this, along with the clubs who invest in developing these players for the good of English rugby, and we will be discussing this with World Rugby.”
At present, there is a financial compensation scheme in place for such circumstances, but the numbers are so small that they make no impact. If a player is developed in the English academy system and then plays for another nation, then the compensation package is £5,000 per year in development.
The development years are classified as the seven years between the ages of 17 and 23, so the maximum compensation any one nation would be obliged to pay would be £35,000. This is hardly a figure to influence the traffic of international players.
Shields:
Petone Rugby Club bio in 2009: Bradley Shields joins us directly from Taita College where he was an outstanding all round sportsman having represented NZ at age grade Softball as well he has also been a member of several New Zealand age grade squads and is a member of the Wellington Academy
Wikipedia: Shields was a New Zealand Under-17 representative in 2008 before being a member of the New Zealand Under-20 side which won the 2011 IRB Junior World Championship in Italy, scoring 1 try in 5 matches at the tournament. He has been named in All Blacks training squads in 2012 and 2016, but has not gone on to make his senior international debut
So, the RFU will be wiring the NZRU 35k pounds ($68k NZD)?
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Not sure the England fans are huge buyers of the Shield idea.
All jokes aside after an abortion of a 6N but from what I've come across they see themselves as above auto picking guys who didn't make the ABs
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Not sure the England fans are huge buyers of the Shield idea.
All jokes aside after an abortion of a 6N but from what I've come across they see themselves as above auto picking guys who didn't make the ABs
@majorrage said in Exodus 2018:
Not sure the England fans are huge buyers of the Shield idea.
All jokes aside after an abortion of a 6N but from what I've come across they see themselves as above auto picking guys who didn't make the ABs
Yeah, it's the gist I'm picking up. From fans and journalists.
I just can't believe the position Eddie is putting himself, Shields and CEO Steve Brown in. Boy, he'll need Shields to be awesome to justify it all. No pressure.
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Not sure the England fans are huge buyers of the Shield idea.
All jokes aside after an abortion of a 6N but from what I've come across they see themselves as above auto picking guys who didn't make the ABs
@majorrage said in Exodus 2018:
Not sure the England fans are huge buyers of the Shield idea...
In general I'd say you're right and we (speaks for whole of England) are not on board with this. Yeah it's within the rules but it's pretty stinky really. He's not English, if he comes over here to play I'd say the likelihood is be'll go back to NZ after his playing days are over/he's been tried and found wanting.
I have no problem with guys like the Vunipolas, Tuilagi, Teo and Hartley who are all pretty much assimilated into the
Borgsorry I mean England. But guys like Shields who is likely to be parachuted in and Waldrom who is Kiwi through and through are just plain wrong. -
@majorrage said in Exodus 2018:
Not sure the England fans are huge buyers of the Shield idea...
In general I'd say you're right and we (speaks for whole of England) are not on board with this. Yeah it's within the rules but it's pretty stinky really. He's not English, if he comes over here to play I'd say the likelihood is be'll go back to NZ after his playing days are over/he's been tried and found wanting.
I have no problem with guys like the Vunipolas, Tuilagi, Teo and Hartley who are all pretty much assimilated into the
Borgsorry I mean England. But guys like Shields who is likely to be parachuted in and Waldrom who is Kiwi through and through are just plain wrong.@catogrande said in Exodus 2018:
@majorrage said in Exodus 2018:
Not sure the England fans are huge buyers of the Shield idea...
In general I'd say you're right and we (speaks for whole of England) are not on board with this. Yeah it's within the rules but it's pretty stinky really. He's not English, if he comes over here to play I'd say the likelihood is be'll go back to NZ after his playing days are over/he's been tried and found wanting.
I have no problem with guys like the Vunipolas, Tuilagi, Teo and Hartley who are all pretty much assimilated into the
Borgsorry I mean England. But guys like Shields who is likely to be parachuted in and Waldrom who is Kiwi through and through are just plain wrong.Where is the Walrus in all of this? What the fuck has Stephen Jones got to say, or does it not matter because it doesn't involve the NZ rugby union engaging in what amounts to modern day slavery in the South Pacific Isles?
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@catogrande said in Exodus 2018:
@majorrage said in Exodus 2018:
Not sure the England fans are huge buyers of the Shield idea...
In general I'd say you're right and we (speaks for whole of England) are not on board with this. Yeah it's within the rules but it's pretty stinky really. He's not English, if he comes over here to play I'd say the likelihood is be'll go back to NZ after his playing days are over/he's been tried and found wanting.
I have no problem with guys like the Vunipolas, Tuilagi, Teo and Hartley who are all pretty much assimilated into the
Borgsorry I mean England. But guys like Shields who is likely to be parachuted in and Waldrom who is Kiwi through and through are just plain wrong.Where is the Walrus in all of this? What the fuck has Stephen Jones got to say, or does it not matter because it doesn't involve the NZ rugby union engaging in what amounts to modern day slavery in the South Pacific Isles?
@canefan said in Exodus 2018:
@catogrande said in Exodus 2018:
@majorrage said in Exodus 2018:
Not sure the England fans are huge buyers of the Shield idea...
In general I'd say you're right and we (speaks for whole of England) are not on board with this. Yeah it's within the rules but it's pretty stinky really. He's not English, if he comes over here to play I'd say the likelihood is be'll go back to NZ after his playing days are over/he's been tried and found wanting.
I have no problem with guys like the Vunipolas, Tuilagi, Teo and Hartley who are all pretty much assimilated into the
Borgsorry I mean England. But guys like Shields who is likely to be parachuted in and Waldrom who is Kiwi through and through are just plain wrong.Where is the Walrus in all of this? What the fuck has Stephen Jones got to say, or does it not matter because it doesn't involve the NZ rugby union engaging in what amounts to modern day slavery in the South Pacific Isles?
I wish I could help you mate but I gave up reading anything the Walrus wrote years ago on the advice of an old rugby mate. It was the best bit of rugby advice I ever received, just ahead of don't get stuck on the wrong side of a ruck when playing against Scots or Kiwis.
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@majorrage said in Exodus 2018:
Not sure the England fans are huge buyers of the Shield idea...
In general I'd say you're right and we (speaks for whole of England) are not on board with this. Yeah it's within the rules but it's pretty stinky really. He's not English, if he comes over here to play I'd say the likelihood is be'll go back to NZ after his playing days are over/he's been tried and found wanting.
I have no problem with guys like the Vunipolas, Tuilagi, Teo and Hartley who are all pretty much assimilated into the
Borgsorry I mean England. But guys like Shields who is likely to be parachuted in and Waldrom who is Kiwi through and through are just plain wrong.@catogrande said in Exodus 2018:
He's not English, if he comes over here to play I'd say the likelihood is be'll go back to NZ after his playing days are over/he's been tried and found wanting.
Shields' parents moved back to the UK to live there permanently a couple years ago so I wouldn't say it's certain he does return to NZ.
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@catogrande said in Exodus 2018:
He's not English, if he comes over here to play I'd say the likelihood is be'll go back to NZ after his playing days are over/he's been tried and found wanting.
Shields' parents moved back to the UK to live there permanently a couple years ago so I wouldn't say it's certain he does return to NZ.
@bovidae Yeah, fair point.
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@bones said in Exodus 2018:
@rapido oh poor RFU. That's one less Range Rover.
They supply their staff with Hyundais. There is one that parks in our street every night inviting vandalism in the form of an ABs bumper sticker.
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@catogrande said in Exodus 2018:
@majorrage said in Exodus 2018:
Not sure the England fans are huge buyers of the Shield idea...
In general I'd say you're right and we (speaks for whole of England) are not on board with this. Yeah it's within the rules but it's pretty stinky really. He's not English, if he comes over here to play I'd say the likelihood is be'll go back to NZ after his playing days are over/he's been tried and found wanting.
I have no problem with guys like the Vunipolas, Tuilagi, Teo and Hartley who are all pretty much assimilated into the
Borgsorry I mean England. But guys like Shields who is likely to be parachuted in and Waldrom who is Kiwi through and through are just plain wrong.Where is the Walrus in all of this? What the fuck has Stephen Jones got to say, or does it not matter because it doesn't involve the NZ rugby union engaging in what amounts to modern day slavery in the South Pacific Isles?
@canefan said in Exodus 2018:
@catogrande said in Exodus 2018:
@majorrage said in Exodus 2018:
Not sure the England fans are huge buyers of the Shield idea...
In general I'd say you're right and we (speaks for whole of England) are not on board with this. Yeah it's within the rules but it's pretty stinky really. He's not English, if he comes over here to play I'd say the likelihood is be'll go back to NZ after his playing days are over/he's been tried and found wanting.
I have no problem with guys like the Vunipolas, Tuilagi, Teo and Hartley who are all pretty much assimilated into the
Borgsorry I mean England. But guys like Shields who is likely to be parachuted in and Waldrom who is Kiwi through and through are just plain wrong.Where is the Walrus in all of this? What the fuck has Stephen Jones got to say, or does it not matter because it doesn't involve the NZ rugby union engaging in what amounts to modern day slavery in the South Pacific Isles?
The walrus is keen on England taking Jason Woodward to South Africa.
