Exodus 2018
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@kruse said in Exodus 2018:
Today the Fern hangs its head in shame...
5 posts into a discussion about Dominic Bird, and not a single pun? Unless @Billy-Tell 's "billing" was a superbly subtle one.I think with Whitelock and Retallick going so well and Romano getting picked Bird and Thrush realised how far down the pecking order they were.
@mn5 said in Exodus 2018:
@kruse said in Exodus 2018:
Today the Fern hangs its head in shame...
5 posts into a discussion about Dominic Bird, and not a single pun? Unless @Billy-Tell 's "billing" was a superbly subtle one.I think with Whitelock and Retallick going so well and Romano getting picked Bird and Thrush realised how far down the pecking order they were.
Don't forget Patrick TUIpulotu
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Dan Pryor has signed with Munakata Sanix Blues for (at least) the 2018/19 Top League season. There's no information about whether he'll return to the Highlanders next season. I have no good info about the duration of his current Highlanders contract, so don't know when it expires.
One thing is sure though: another player, who will be missing from the Māori All Blacks squad later in the year.
http://rugby.sanix.jp/topics/2018/6/0bd6b2801a5fe13b2470c984ee59a705.html
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/another-highlanders-loose-forward-japan-bound
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@mn5 said in Exodus 2018:
@kruse said in Exodus 2018:
Today the Fern hangs its head in shame...
5 posts into a discussion about Dominic Bird, and not a single pun? Unless @Billy-Tell 's "billing" was a superbly subtle one.I think with Whitelock and Retallick going so well and Romano getting picked Bird and Thrush realised how far down the pecking order they were.
Don't forget Patrick TUIpulotu
@pukunui said in Exodus 2018:
@mn5 said in Exodus 2018:
@kruse said in Exodus 2018:
Today the Fern hangs its head in shame...
5 posts into a discussion about Dominic Bird, and not a single pun? Unless @Billy-Tell 's "billing" was a superbly subtle one.I think with Whitelock and Retallick going so well and Romano getting picked Bird and Thrush realised how far down the pecking order they were.
Don't forget Patrick TUIpulotu
So subtle. Loving your work.
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Dan Pryor has signed with Munakata Sanix Blues for (at least) the 2018/19 Top League season. There's no information about whether he'll return to the Highlanders next season. I have no good info about the duration of his current Highlanders contract, so don't know when it expires.
One thing is sure though: another player, who will be missing from the Māori All Blacks squad later in the year.
http://rugby.sanix.jp/topics/2018/6/0bd6b2801a5fe13b2470c984ee59a705.html
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/another-highlanders-loose-forward-japan-bound
@stargazer he was injured for the MAori last year wasnt he?
He had re-signed with Northland for 2018 only, but invoked an out clause to take up this offer in Japan, I dont blame him, has been a great servant to Northland rugby, had his share of injuries more recently so deserves to make some decent coin now.
Not sure he would be 'high profile' enough or important enough to the Highlanders to warrant a special exemption of not playing M10 cup and then back for super?
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@stargazer he was injured for the MAori last year wasnt he?
He had re-signed with Northland for 2018 only, but invoked an out clause to take up this offer in Japan, I dont blame him, has been a great servant to Northland rugby, had his share of injuries more recently so deserves to make some decent coin now.
Not sure he would be 'high profile' enough or important enough to the Highlanders to warrant a special exemption of not playing M10 cup and then back for super?
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@taniwharugby He wasn't part of the MABs team that played the B&I Lions, but played during the EOYT against Canada and the French Baabaas.
@stargazer yeah my bad it was Kara that missed the EOYT not Dan.
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Re: the Shields poach. It will be quite interesting either way it goes.
My hunch is Shields (and Wasps) were very happy to have an England eligible player and all that it means for RFU funding incentives for the club and the higher salary for Shields himself.
I'm pretty sure Shields would have been very comfortable with the possibilty of the 22K England match payment if that ever came about. I reckon he's as surprised as most that this possibilty has comeabout before he has even set foot over there and played a game against any of his direct rivals for his position.
I really think Eddie Jones has awful man-management abilities.
He's:
- embarassing Shields by talk of parachuting him in so early above encumbents and fringe payers.
- Creating a potential rift between Shields and his future teammates competing for his position.
- He's alienated those same fringe players from trusting in the coaching staff.
- He's embarassing his CEO, who last year went public about getting IRB help to stop celtic countries poaching RFU academey 'products' etc
- He's potentially embarassing his CEO even further if it all comes to nought if the NZRU a. dig their heals in and b. the section 9.38 actually holds water. Public embrassment and political capital expended.
Sit back, grab some popcorn, and watch this stuff implode. All because Eddie can't judge the difference in fallout between picking Shields in June rather than waiting until November.
@rapido said in Exodus 2018:
Re: the Shields poach. It will be quite interesting either way it goes.
I really think Eddie Jones has awful man-management abilities.
He's:
- embarassing Shields by talk of parachuting him in so early above encumbents and fringe payers.
- Creating a potential rift between Shields and his future teammates competing for his position.
- He's alienated those same fringe players from trusting in the coaching staff.
- He's embarassing his CEO, who last year went public about getting IRB help to stop celtic countries poaching RFU academey 'products' etc
- He's potentially embarassing his CEO even further if it all comes to nought if the NZRU a. dig their heals in and b. the section 9.38 actually holds water. Public embrassment and political capital expended.
Quoting myself ......
Way back, I made this post about Eddie's man-management abilities.
I kind of equate him with Richard Hadlee and Glenn Turner when they had any posts in NZ Cricket that required them to understand how 'normal' human being's minds worked.
In particular the bolded part about creating a rift about Shields, a foreigner, just outside waltzing in. Thinking how awkward it might be once the first loose-forward injury replacement joins the squad. Well, that already happened after Eddie's training sessions.
Nathan Hughes joined the squad.
From what I've read the unlucky ones now after Hughes were Dan Armand and Jono Ross. A Zim-born Saffa and a Saffa.
So the 'slighted parties' from Brad's rapid elevation are a Fijian, and 2 Saffas. So, actually I think they won't resent Brad that much. There will be an understanding.
Edit:
Upon further though: Although I suppose the tension might come of Shield's is elevated above others into the starting 15. Actuially, yeah, I still think Eddie's a bit mad.Edit, Edit: ....
But, then, surely he won't go into the starting XV? He's been playing for the Hurricanes while the rest of England have been in camp for 2 weeks, he'll be way behind the eight ball. -
@rapido said in Exodus 2018:
Re: the Shields poach. It will be quite interesting either way it goes.
I really think Eddie Jones has awful man-management abilities.
He's:
- embarassing Shields by talk of parachuting him in so early above encumbents and fringe payers.
- Creating a potential rift between Shields and his future teammates competing for his position.
- He's alienated those same fringe players from trusting in the coaching staff.
- He's embarassing his CEO, who last year went public about getting IRB help to stop celtic countries poaching RFU academey 'products' etc
- He's potentially embarassing his CEO even further if it all comes to nought if the NZRU a. dig their heals in and b. the section 9.38 actually holds water. Public embrassment and political capital expended.
Quoting myself ......
Way back, I made this post about Eddie's man-management abilities.
I kind of equate him with Richard Hadlee and Glenn Turner when they had any posts in NZ Cricket that required them to understand how 'normal' human being's minds worked.
In particular the bolded part about creating a rift about Shields, a foreigner, just outside waltzing in. Thinking how awkward it might be once the first loose-forward injury replacement joins the squad. Well, that already happened after Eddie's training sessions.
Nathan Hughes joined the squad.
From what I've read the unlucky ones now after Hughes were Dan Armand and Jono Ross. A Zim-born Saffa and a Saffa.
So the 'slighted parties' from Brad's rapid elevation are a Fijian, and 2 Saffas. So, actually I think they won't resent Brad that much. There will be an understanding.
Edit:
Upon further though: Although I suppose the tension might come of Shield's is elevated above others into the starting 15. Actuially, yeah, I still think Eddie's a bit mad.Edit, Edit: ....
But, then, surely he won't go into the starting XV? He's been playing for the Hurricanes while the rest of England have been in camp for 2 weeks, he'll be way behind the eight ball.@rapido For all that, the bit that confuses me the most is what does Shields bring that England are missing?
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@rapido For all that, the bit that confuses me the most is what does Shields bring that England are missing?
@antipodean said in Exodus 2018:
@rapido For all that, the bit that confuses me the most is what does Shields bring that England are missing?
Mini aura by association?
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@rapido For all that, the bit that confuses me the most is what does Shields bring that England are missing?
@antipodean said in Exodus 2018:
@rapido For all that, the bit that confuses me the most is what does Shields bring that England are missing?
Well, that comes under the "Eddie's a bit mad".
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@rapido For all that, the bit that confuses me the most is what does Shields bring that England are missing?
@antipodean said in Exodus 2018:
@rapido For all that, the bit that confuses me the most is what does Shields bring that England are missing?
a) love of a sheep
b) uproarious sing-songs
c) sense of humour
d) empty bank account
e) English-born parents
f) another winning Kiwi captain
g) Someone who can understand EJ’s accent
h) love of another sheep
i) someone who isn’t knackered by the Premiership before playing test rugby
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I read somewhere yesterday that both Jason Woodward and Brad Shields played for the same junior club. Not sure which? Need input from one of our Hutt Valley specialists.
Shields was a Stoke Valley boy who played prem for Petone, Jason Woodward played prem for Upper Hutt.
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I read somewhere yesterday that both Jason Woodward and Brad Shields played for the same junior club. Not sure which? Need input from one of our Hutt Valley specialists.
Shields was a Stoke Valley boy who played prem for Petone, Jason Woodward played prem for Upper Hutt.
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@bones I think Shields, Kainga and Woodward all went to the same school in Stokes Valley (Tui Glen). Cory Jane also played for Stokes until he was poached by Upper Hutt.
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@toddy should've said to ask you! Anytime Snakes Gulley is mentioned it always brings back pleasant memories of the one armed prop.
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@toddy should've said to ask you! Anytime Snakes Gulley is mentioned it always brings back pleasant memories of the one armed prop.
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@bones I've played against him. Even got punched in the head by his good arm... I'll get my coat
@paekakboyz said in Exodus 2018:
@bones I've played against him. Even got punched in the head by his good arm... I'll get my coat
Sounds more like a bad arm to me
