Exodus 2018
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Scotty Stevenson, on the Short Ball podcast, insinuated that Savea was picked this series to stop him signing with a French club who had offered him big money.
@tim said in Exodus 2018:
Scotty Stevenson, on the Short Ball podcast, insinuated that Savea was picked this series to stop him signing with a French club who had offered him big money.
I'm dubious about this. Ardie just doesn't seem like he's a starter, more a finisher. Not sure if game plans of 2016 are relevant anymore, but you can't deny that when he came on for the last 20 in a lot of games, he was bloody awesome.
Cane or Todd to start, Ardie on the bench.
Reckon the coaches were just giving him a crack to see if he's now got the ability to change that typecast. An injury prevented answering that unfortunately. With the emergence of Barrett over the last 3 games, you now have him & Savea as outstanding bench options to cover the lock and back row.
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@tim said in Exodus 2018:
Scotty Stevenson, on the Short Ball podcast, insinuated that Savea was picked this series to stop him signing with a French club who had offered him big money.
I'm dubious about this. Ardie just doesn't seem like he's a starter, more a finisher. Not sure if game plans of 2016 are relevant anymore, but you can't deny that when he came on for the last 20 in a lot of games, he was bloody awesome.
Cane or Todd to start, Ardie on the bench.
Reckon the coaches were just giving him a crack to see if he's now got the ability to change that typecast. An injury prevented answering that unfortunately. With the emergence of Barrett over the last 3 games, you now have him & Savea as outstanding bench options to cover the lock and back row.
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@arhs well had Cane not been injured (or was he rested?) and subsequently Ardie injured, Todd would have played a very limited role; while it seems clear to many here Todd is clear #2 and TBF, pushing Cane very hard for #1, the selectors seem to see Ardie as #2.
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@arhs well had Cane not been injured (or was he rested?) and subsequently Ardie injured, Todd would have played a very limited role; while it seems clear to many here Todd is clear #2 and TBF, pushing Cane very hard for #1, the selectors seem to see Ardie as #2.
@taniwharugby I don't think they pick Ardie because he is better than Todd, though. Hansen explained last year that Todd and Cane are very similar and that Ardie brought something else (not sure what after watching him play this year). That "something else" was the reason why they picked Ardie instead of Todd.
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@taniwharugby I don't think they pick Ardie because he is better than Todd, though. Hansen explained last year that Todd and Cane are very similar and that Ardie brought something else (not sure what after watching him play this year). That "something else" was the reason why they picked Ardie instead of Todd.
@stargazer said in Exodus 2018:
@taniwharugby I don't think they pick Ardie because he is better than Todd, though. Hansen explained last year that Todd and Cane are very similar and that Ardie brought something else (not sure what after watching him play this year). That "something else" was the reason why they picked Ardie instead of Todd.
But then you have to wonder why they picked Ardie in the final match and not Todd. If Todd is the number 2 to Canes style then you'd expect him to slot in to start, which I think most of us thought would happen, but that didn't happen.
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@stargazer said in Exodus 2018:
@taniwharugby I don't think they pick Ardie because he is better than Todd, though. Hansen explained last year that Todd and Cane are very similar and that Ardie brought something else (not sure what after watching him play this year). That "something else" was the reason why they picked Ardie instead of Todd.
But then you have to wonder why they picked Ardie in the final match and not Todd. If Todd is the number 2 to Canes style then you'd expect him to slot in to start, which I think most of us thought would happen, but that didn't happen.
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@stargazer said in Exodus 2018:
@taniwharugby I don't think they pick Ardie because he is better than Todd, though. Hansen explained last year that Todd and Cane are very similar and that Ardie brought something else (not sure what after watching him play this year). That "something else" was the reason why they picked Ardie instead of Todd.
But then you have to wonder why they picked Ardie in the final match and not Todd. If Todd is the number 2 to Canes style then you'd expect him to slot in to start, which I think most of us thought would happen, but that didn't happen.
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@nepia Give him an opportunity?
@antipodean @Stargazer That may be what we're all thinking, but Hansen may see it different. After all we'd expect that Todd would have spoken with the coaches to see where he sits in the pecking order before signing his Japan contract (unless of course it has an AB selection out-clause). Because an injury to Cane and/or Savea may see Hunt of Fern favourite Gibson come in and seal up that 2/3 no. 7 spot before the RWC.
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well, opportunities and experiments in the AB jersey, particularly that #7...yeah, nah!
I dont think they were gonna learn anything new out of Ardie, IMO they see him (somehow) as thier 2nd best, hence why he started rather than Todd, another known quantity at this level.
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@antipodean @Stargazer That may be what we're all thinking, but Hansen may see it different. After all we'd expect that Todd would have spoken with the coaches to see where he sits in the pecking order before signing his Japan contract (unless of course it has an AB selection out-clause). Because an injury to Cane and/or Savea may see Hunt of Fern favourite Gibson come in and seal up that 2/3 no. 7 spot before the RWC.
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I’d be watching Papali’i for that too. I think he looks like a future long term AB.
He just looks like a Cane replacement to me.
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Yeah, good point.
He's got size, but is he big enough for 6? 193, 113 makes him shorter but heavier than Kaino, and and taller and heavier than Cane.
I just wonder whether he can be a 7, because he plays around the park very similar to Cane, IMO. He looks quick enough...
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@gt12 said in Exodus 2018:
Yeah, he's got size, but is he big enough for 6? 193, 113 makes him shorter but heavier than Kaino, and and taller and heavier than Cane.
I just wonder whether he can be a 7, because he plays around the park very similar to Cane, IMO. He looks quick enough...
I think Kainos height stats are a bit exaggerated
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@gt12 said in Exodus 2018:
Yeah, he's got size, but is he big enough for 6? 193, 113 makes him shorter but heavier than Kaino, and and taller and heavier than Cane.
I just wonder whether he can be a 7, because he plays around the park very similar to Cane, IMO. He looks quick enough...
I think Kainos height stats are a bit exaggerated
@mn5 said in Exodus 2018:
@gt12 said in Exodus 2018:
Yeah, he's got size, but is he big enough for 6? 193, 113 makes him shorter but heavier than Kaino, and and taller and heavier than Cane.
I just wonder whether he can be a 7, because he plays around the park very similar to Cane, IMO. He looks quick enough...
I think Kainos height stats are a bit exaggerated
Ask @jegga I guess?
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@mn5 said in Exodus 2018:
@gt12 said in Exodus 2018:
Yeah, he's got size, but is he big enough for 6? 193, 113 makes him shorter but heavier than Kaino, and and taller and heavier than Cane.
I just wonder whether he can be a 7, because he plays around the park very similar to Cane, IMO. He looks quick enough...
I think Kainos height stats are a bit exaggerated
Ask @jegga I guess?
@gt12 said in Exodus 2018:
@mn5 said in Exodus 2018:
@gt12 said in Exodus 2018:
Yeah, he's got size, but is he big enough for 6? 193, 113 makes him shorter but heavier than Kaino, and and taller and heavier than Cane.
I just wonder whether he can be a 7, because he plays around the park very similar to Cane, IMO. He looks quick enough...
I think Kainos height stats are a bit exaggerated
Ask @jegga I guess?
True.....but there's also this.....1.96 metres my asssss....or maybe he was standing in a hole?
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@mn5 said in Exodus 2018:
@gt12 said in Exodus 2018:
Yeah, he's got size, but is he big enough for 6? 193, 113 makes him shorter but heavier than Kaino, and and taller and heavier than Cane.
I just wonder whether he can be a 7, because he plays around the park very similar to Cane, IMO. He looks quick enough...
I think Kainos height stats are a bit exaggerated
Ask @jegga I guess?
