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    #3051

    <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='

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    <p> </p>
    <p>He is John Wick!</p>

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    <p>just following up, I play once every 2-3 days. Getting pretty good. Got  22138 just now. Took a screen shot but can't save the image here.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>Another time I cheated, using google, got 24904, of course, ha.</p>

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  • NTAN Offline
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    #3053

    <p>My best single score so far was a location on the NSW north coast hinterland - got within 125km. All looks the bloody same up that way ;)</p>

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    <p>This will excite Mariner no end - finding out his Dominatrix Credlin is exactly what he was after:</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/margie-abbott-was-unwanted-distraction-for-former-pms-chief-of-staff-peta-credlin-book-claims/news-story/b3d3fe2da5338a40ecaeac993d9d8f95'>http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/margie-abbott-was-unwanted-distraction-for-former-pms-chief-of-staff-peta-credlin-book-claims/news-story/b3d3fe2da5338a40ecaeac993d9d8f95</a></p>
    <p> </p>
    <p></p><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"><br><p>...</p>
    <p>(Credlin) had made these outbursts a feature of her management style going back to when she worked for then minister Helen Coonan.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>A junior staffer, picked on for some perceived error, although she was blameless, was roared at by Credlin who called her “a fing useless bitch” and told her, according to Savva, “you don’t fing know anything”.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>The staffer was reduced to tears, but years later it was Ms Credlin who wept when she thought she had been slighted.</p>
    <div> </div>
    <p>At a meeting of Opposition advisers, just before Mr Abbott became Prime Minister, Ms Credlin had been told by Murray Cranston, a senior and respected Abbott worker, that one problem was her temperament, which had hurt morale, particularly among the younger targets of her yelling and swearing.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>Ms Credlin erupted in fiery and weeping fury, and one witness told Savva the prime-minister-in-waiting was seen sitting on a Sydney kerbside trying to console his chief of staff.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>Mr Abbott later advised Mr Cranston to apologise with a bunch of flowers, which he did with a $100 bunch.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>Savva writes: “When he presented them to Credlin, she tossed them aside.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>“Cranston could laugh about it later, when he told workmates that Credlin thought better of throwing them out, and regifted them to Margie Abbott, along with a note in appreciation of her support during the year.”</p>
    <p>...</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>Tony Abbott once asked for a briefing so his wife knew the entitlements she might draw on, such as use of ComCars, as the Prime Minister’s spouse.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>Ms Credlin was against that and was furious when she discovered a staffer had completed the task set by the Prime Minister.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>“She angrily berated the adviser, telling him this was not the White House: he did not work for the Prime Minister’s wife; he worked for the Prime Minister,” writes Savva.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>She records Ms Credlin saying: ‘If you get any requests for briefings for Margie’s ladies’ lunches, it’s not going to happen.”</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>This anecdote argues against any notion Margie Abbott didn’t want a bigger role with her husband, although she had her own family and work to tend to. But she had little travel with him in Australia, and when she came to Parliament House she was asked to wait in a room across the corridor from her husband’s office.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>And at a dinner in a supporter’s house to celebrate the 2013 victory, the host was told at the last minute the Abbott women would not be attending, even though other senior Liberal men came with their wives.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>Credlin’s position was she believed Margie Abbott would distract Mr Abbott from his work. But you get a sense from Savva’s book what she most feared was competition for the attention of the Prime Minister.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>...</p>
    <p> </p>
    </blockquote>

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  • antipodeanA Offline
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    <p>The bitch is mental.</p>

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  • mariner4lifeM Offline
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    <p>She would hate-fuck you to within an inch of your life</p>

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  • NTAN Offline
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    #3057

    <p>And she'll claim it was because she had to - to "out-man the men!"</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>In a related note: International Women's Day tomorrow apparently.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>At work they've got Tanya Plibersek (ALP deputy) coming in for a chat. One of the posters they were setting up on stage this afternoon featured a woman's image with "I will strive to get equality for women and men in the workplace"</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>The image of the guy said "I will help a female member of my team get a promotion". Wha?</p>

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    <a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.theshovel.com.au/2016/03/06/abbott-says-hell-need-to-check-with-credlin-before-confirming-or-denying-their-affair/">http://www.theshovel.com.au/2016/03/06/abbott-says-hell-need-to-check-with-credlin-before-confirming-or-denying-their-affair/</a><br><br><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"><p>Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott says he will be happy to confirm or deny rumours of a relationship with his chief of staff Peta Credlin, but will need to run it by her first.<br><br>
    “If there was in fact an affair, then she’ll know about it,” Mr Abbott said today.<br><br>
    “She managed the day-to-day. I never got caught up in that level of detail”.<br><br>
    Mr Abbott said Ms Credlin would certainly know about anything that <strong>came across her desk.</strong><br><br></p></blockquote>
    [emoji38]

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  • jeggaJ Offline
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    #3059

    <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/77721507/sheep-milking-flock-expands-by-another-3000-ewes'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/77721507/sheep-milking-flock-expands-by-another-3000-ewes</a></p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>Sounds like a great way to open another export market, I have to ask though in a country that has 50 or so million of the bloody things and a 140 year history of farming them why has it taken so long to figure out you can sell the milk?</p>

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  • CrucialC Offline
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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jegga" data-cid="563498" data-time="1457545641">
    <div>
    <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/77721507/sheep-milking-flock-expands-by-another-3000-ewes'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/77721507/sheep-milking-flock-expands-by-another-3000-ewes</a></p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>Sounds like a great way to open another export market, I have to ask though in a country that has 50 or so million of the bloody things and a 140 year history of farming them why has it taken so long to figure out you can sell the milk?</p>
    </div>
    </blockquote>
    <p> </p>
    <p>Because 49.9 million of them were meat breeds and there was a ready and profitable market for meat.</p>
    <p>There is demand for sheep milk but it actually isn't that profitable.</p>
    <p>Even a good producing ewe only produces 4-5 litres a day so you need lots more of them, a much larger milking set up, they don't milk for as long as cows so you have to keep them popping out lambs which means you need double the number to have enough on the milk etc etc.</p>
    <p>Costs are very high. I visited a large sheep milking set up in Southland last year and it takes a team of six up to 6 hours a milking (twice a day) just to keep break even, and that was a very large shed as well. You also need almost year round grass to keep them going as otherwise feed cost in a dry summer or cold winter wipe out any money made.</p>
    <p>Also if this takes off even more wait until the ferals catch on and start showing pictures of cute little lambs torn off their mums almost straight away so the lucrative colostrum can be harvested. Ram lambs are completely worthless in these set ups and are treated as such. </p>
    <p>It was a pretty harsh eye opener (and I am fairly open minded with the needs around farming) and difficult to see a good balance despite good intentions of the farmers.</p>
    <p>My overall impression was that if I was ever to want to milk sheep it would be done on a small seasonal scale only with value added products for niche markets to try and make a living.</p>

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    <p>That doesn't seem right, Crucial?  12 hours a day milking? Also, as this progresses, effeciencies will be quickly implemented.I also don't understand why they need a bigger milking platform that a 50 bale rotary would be for cows?</p>

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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Hooroo" data-cid="563530" data-time="1457557016">
    <div>
    <p>That doesn't seem right, Crucial?  12 hours a day milking? Also, as this progresses, effeciencies will be quickly implemented.I also don't understand why they need a bigger milking platform that a 50 bale rotary would be for cows?</p>
    </div>
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    <p> </p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>I think it was something like 2500-3000 ewes. You can't use rotarys for sheep. There were three bays of about 50 per bay so that is 60 times you have to clear the bay, get the next lot in, clean and cup. Fast workers were moving down the line the whole time and the setup was well arranged and automated.</p>
    <p>6 hours is an extreme and only happens if there are holdups/equipment failure etc, it probably takes 3.5-4 hours normally.</p>

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    <img src="http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160309/f1ccab2271984996addfd12b39c3a90b.jpg" alt="f1ccab2271984996addfd12b39c3a90b.jpg">

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  • jeggaJ Offline
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    Crucial was the milking shed as automated as your average dairy cow shed? <br>
    The article mentioned a part Chinese owned farm that was milking 3000 sheep I think, surely they must have a better set up than the one you mentioned.<br>
    I'm actually genuinely surprised that this wasn't looked into earlier, on the radio they mentioned lower lactose in sheeps milk is preferable to Asians .

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  • HoorooH Offline
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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Crucial" data-cid="563533" data-time="1457557806">
    <div>
    <p><img src="http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160309/f1ccab2271984996addfd12b39c3a90b.jpg" alt="f1ccab2271984996addfd12b39c3a90b.jpg"></p>
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    <p> </p>
    <p>That is a little shed. :)</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>Compare that to a forty bale heirring bone for cows.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>I hear you, regarding times though.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>I don't know why you couldn't put them in a rotary?</p>

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  • NTAN Offline
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    <p>Maybe no-one wants to take on the cost of building a rotary at this point?  Different size equipment I assume</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>That setup is bespoke, I assume.</p>

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  • CrucialC Offline
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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Hooroo" data-cid="563537" data-time="1457558252">
    <div>
    <p>That is a little shed. :)</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>Compare that to a forty bale heirring bone for cows.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>I hear you, regarding times though.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>I don't know why you couldn't put them in a rotary?</p>
    </div>
    </blockquote>
    <p> </p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>There are 3 bays like this. The shed is pretty big.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>I asked about rotary and they said it had been tried and didn't work that well. Remember that the milking time is less for an individual animal so the platform would have to rotate faster or be much smaller.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>This is actually an asian owned purpose built set up that had a lot of $ sunk into it. You should see the size of the feeding shed for winter. It was taking something like 6 hours a day just to do the feeding.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>They are looking at various efficiencies all the time, but finding the balance of numbers/staffing/infrastructure/output etc is still quite difficult. It certainly isn't the cash printing machine some believe it to be.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>The farm sizes need to be pretty huge as well given the number of animals involved. (those in milk + those in lamb + those drying off + ewe lambs)</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>I'm not saying it isn't profitable just that effort and investment v profit makes it no better than many other options depending on market demand.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>From what I could gather, the milk broke even, any profit was in colostrum.</p>

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    #3068

    <p>This Google sat view shows a typical setup</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-46.2678031,168.7719958,502m/data=!3m1!1e3'>https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-46.2678031,168.7719958,502m/data=!3m1!1e3</a></p>

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  • HoorooH Offline
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    <p>Interesting. I imagined it would be more profitable due to the higher solids per litre than cows.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>A freind of mine left Fonterra recently to head the Goat Milk Powder plant here in the Waikato.  That seems to be kicking along ok at the moment</p>

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    <p>It never ceases to amaze how you can raise pretty much any topic and the fernopedia has an answer, today we had Crucial with sheep milk and Siam with being paid to shag a ginger munter. Now that I think about it  I don't think anyone actually asked Siam about that.</p>

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